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Screaming Lord Byron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 01:32 PM
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Poll question: Can you laugh at satire that targets 'our side'?
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deutsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 01:34 PM
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1. If it's funny and (being satire) hits its target accurately
Edited on Thu Jul-29-04 01:34 PM by deutsey
satire: A literary work in which human vice or folly is attacked through irony, derision, or wit.

Our side doesn't have "human vice or folly"?
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billyskank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 01:34 PM
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2. If it has a good point, yes
Nobody's perfect.
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Fenris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 01:34 PM
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3. If you answer "No" you have a selective sense of humor.
Edited on Thu Jul-29-04 01:38 PM by Fenris
EVERYONE deserves to be made fun of, ESPECIALLY politicians and members of the media.
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Screaming Lord Byron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 01:36 PM
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7. There's been a lot of 'selective senses of humour' here lately.
Not just JibJab, but The Daily Show also.
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Fenris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 01:38 PM
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11. Indeed.
The infamous "FUCK JON STEWERT" thread yesterday was vomit-inducing. And the amazing thing was that he really said nothing offensive to Dems.
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thebigidea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 01:40 PM
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17. well, humor is pretty selective anyway.
I love the Daily Show and watch it every day.

Jibjab makes me want to jab scissors into my eyes.

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Fenris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 01:41 PM
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21. Well, whether or not that's funny is dependent upon
The number of times you've either seen it or been told how LOL funny it is.
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thebigidea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 01:46 PM
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29. I saw one reference to it here, clicked the link, didn't laugh.
Edited on Thu Jul-29-04 01:49 PM by thebigidea
Didn't see it again either.

I don't get the argument that if you don't laugh at that flash, you need to lighten up or have no sense of humor.

Humor is pretty much my life, and this thing just doesn't do it for me.

And its nothing about sensitivity to Kerry-bashing, I don't have a particular fondness for the man and love Stewart's terrible impersonation of him...

Some people like Monty Python, some like the Three Stooges, some like Bob Hope, some like 'em all. Still others, and I'm told there are at least 3 - like Dennis Miller.

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Fenris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 01:49 PM
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34. It's very pedestrian.
Not terribly funny.
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Screaming Lord Byron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 01:44 PM
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25. JibJab was definitely of the 'a plague on both your houses' school
Not particularly funny, but the section with the native guy is very telling. No Republican would write that. The rest was pretty naff.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 01:38 PM
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14. Oh those aren't real DUers, just freepers tryin to make us look bad
Edited on Thu Jul-29-04 01:42 PM by redqueen
Hi Freepers!

:hi:
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 01:35 PM
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4. we better be able to laugh at ourselves
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truthspeaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 01:35 PM
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5. yes, but not if it attacks strawman Dem positions
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Donkeyboy75 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 01:36 PM
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6. Doesn't seem this poll is reflecting reality.
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Fenris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 01:36 PM
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8. The reality is different than some would like you to believe.
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Donkeyboy75 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 01:37 PM
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9. I'm getting a "Matrix" vibe here.
Morpheus?
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Fenris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 01:38 PM
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13. Take the blue pill.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 01:39 PM
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15. No! Red!
Take the red!
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Fenris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 01:41 PM
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22. She's a liar! Take the blue!
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Donkeyboy75 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 01:45 PM
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26. It's a crapshoot, anyway. I'm colorblind.
I'll take the left purple instead of the right purple.
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Screaming Lord Byron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 01:45 PM
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27. Cut the red wire! Alec Baldwin is off fighting Genghis Khan!
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Donkeyboy75 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 01:48 PM
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31. SLB, you are too austere for me to follow sometimes.
I salute you! :toast:
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Screaming Lord Byron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 01:50 PM
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35. I'm obsessed with trash. Obsessed!
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Fenris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 01:48 PM
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32. ROFLMAO! Why do I know that reference?!
Or rather, why was that one of my favorite movies when I was younger?!

Rrrrrreinhard Lllllane.....
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Screaming Lord Byron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 01:51 PM
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36. It's actually not a bad movie. I rather enjoy it.
But McKellen's acting is dire. Really, really bad. And he's the greatest actor of his generation!
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Fenris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 01:53 PM
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38. It is quite perplexing.
I mean, I understand phoning in a performance, but faxing one in?

The art direction was quite interesting. The Monolith Hotel was cool to look at. Like some kind of art deco monstrosity.
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Screaming Lord Byron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 01:56 PM
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39. The wrapping is exquisite. The present however.....
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Fenris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 01:57 PM
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40. Mmmmm. Pigflesh.
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Screaming Lord Byron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 01:57 PM
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41. Weren't they a Ministry side-project?
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Fenris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 01:58 PM
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42. I think so.
:)
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 01:45 PM
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28. Away with you, evil promoter of the Matrix!
Fight the Matrix! Take the Red pill!
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 01:37 PM
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10. I can
I'm the first to say when I've been had. But I'd wager there are quite few people here who can't recognize when the joke is on them and take themselves way too seriously.

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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 01:38 PM
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12. I know there's a bunch of ppl here who hate sitcoms
so I'm prepared for the flames, but this just reminds me so much of the Everybody Loves Raymond episode where Ray and Debra do a skit about Ray's parents, and everyone laughs and laughs... then Ray's parents do a skit about Ray and Debra, and suddenly their sense of humor goes flying out the window. At least that's how I think it went... anyway ...
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 01:39 PM
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16. If it's funny and not recycling right-wing lies, then yes
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 01:40 PM
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18. Other: Yes - when it is funny
Edited on Thu Jul-29-04 01:41 PM by Feanorcurufinwe
if the basis of the joke is a falsehood, let's say, that Democrats want to 'take your guns away' or some other dishonest RW meme, then I am unlikely to find it funny.

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genius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 01:40 PM
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19. If it's funny and accurate. Lies aren't funny and don't fit definition
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 01:41 PM
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20. "I've Got News for You, Mr. Clinton..."
"Your pickle has already stepped into history."

"Janet Reno dances for no man."

and so on. Sure, I can laugh at things like that.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 01:43 PM
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24. What *was* that pickle thing about?
Did he ever explain that?

Is he smoking pot again?
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 01:52 PM
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37. No Idea
I thought maybe it was some kind of old Arkansas expression.
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denverbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 01:41 PM
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23. Honestly, I used to be able to, but it's pretty rare now.
I used to think Limbaugh was funny at times, but what he has done with his 'humor' is split the country in two and turn liberals into something virtually akin to terrorists. That ain't funny.
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deutsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 01:48 PM
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30. Limbaugh serves the powerful and the wealthy
Edited on Thu Jul-29-04 01:50 PM by deutsey
I'm not saying that there aren't plenty of foibles worthy of satire among "the people", but satire often works best when it targets the pomposities of the wealthy and the powerful.

Ultimately, though, satire targets any "colossal humbug," as Twain put it. He said "only laughter can blow it to rags and atoms at a blast. Against the assault of laughter nothing can stand."

Everyone is a viable target of satire, in my opinion, when they are full of themselves or bullshit or both.

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bhunt70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 01:48 PM
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33. if you can't laugh at yourself... <n/t>
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HippieCowgirl Donating Member (242 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 02:06 PM
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43. I voted "other"
Because my answer is "Yes, if it's funny." I don't find mean spirited "jokes" told at the expense of any one person or group to be funny at all. Really good satire should be funny. I think the latest bit of internet satire (JibJab's My Land) is howlingly funny because it sends up EVERYONE.
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AngryLizard Donating Member (488 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 02:12 PM
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44. "Breck Girl"
I think that nickname for Edwards is hysterical! He may have style, but no one can say he doesn't have substance, either. Oh, and I've joked about Kerry/Edwards PDAs as well. Some of their stuff is so BS, you can't help but laugh at it.
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