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dennis4868 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 02:05 PM
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For my 2000 Post....
Edited on Thu Jul-29-04 02:10 PM by dennis4868
I will ask you all if you feel that Kerry's speech, scheduled to last 55 minutes, is too long and will have people all over the country signing off.....I think 55 minutes is way too long.
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Sugarcoated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 02:10 PM
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1. Off topic, but I can't help it
I want to start threads - I've been registered for about two weeks now, probably 20 posts. I'm chomping at the bit with some important issues! Can anyone help me out here?
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Tweed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 02:12 PM
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3. On the front page, at the top, click on POST
Edited on Thu Jul-29-04 02:14 PM by Tweedtheatre
And you're in

Welcome to the DU!

:headbang: :hi: :yourock:

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mrboba1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 02:12 PM
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4. Go to a board
summary page and click th epost button at the top of the page. This starts a new thread.
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AwakeAtLast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 02:13 PM
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7. Welcome to DU!
Glad you are here! I had the same gung-ho attitude you did when I first registered. There is a short probationary period for all newbies. I'm not sure of the actual amount of posts needed before you can post a thread, but it is a low number. Keep trying!

:hi:
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AwakeAtLast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 02:11 PM
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2. Congratulations!
It might seem too long, but 55 minutes is not as long as an NBA, NFL or MLB game. It is the same length as CSI, ER, and Law & Order. People just need to set priorities in their political lives (I know I'm preaching to the choir).
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dennis4868 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 02:13 PM
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6. Agree....
but this speech is not for us...we are political junkies and love this stuff...but I can see the average person tonight tuning in and 30 minutes into the speech peole thinking to themselves, "when will this ever end?"
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59millionmorons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 02:13 PM
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5. 2000?
How do you know how many you have?
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dennis4868 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 02:14 PM
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8. I checked out my profile....
it tells you when you became a memner and the number of posts you have....
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Sugarcoated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 02:18 PM
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10. No E-post button anywhere.
Please, somebody start a thread about Jeb Bush trying to block paper trail accountablity to go along with the new electronic voting machines. We all know what's going on here - it was reported on the news break w/Air America, but I haven't heard much of this anywhere else. This is insane! I'm livid to tears! Has anyone else heard about this???
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 02:15 PM
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9. It depends on how engaging he is.
I'd say 55 minutes is definitely risky unless he has a lot of compelling content.
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Sugarcoated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 02:26 PM
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11. How many posts do you have to have
before you can post?

And, anybody - what does anyone know about this blocking of paper trails in Fla voting by Jeb Bush?
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Sugarcoated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 02:31 PM
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12. Sorry, but gotta bump this
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Sugarcoated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 02:36 PM
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13. Could this attempt at
trying to block voting machine paper trails be going on in other states that are using electronic voting now?
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Sugarcoated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 02:49 PM
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14. Someone please respond to this
Doesn't anyone care about voting fraud this close to the election?

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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 03:06 PM
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19. Where / when did you hear about it?
I don't know the no of posts you need to be able to start a thread, but perhaps if you can give me enough info to find the article I'll start a thread about it.
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John_Shadows_1 Donating Member (289 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 02:53 PM
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15. Of course it's too long....
... and probably confirms something I've felt the whole week - Kerry's going to blow it. Who the hell is going to watch him for 55 minutes? This could well reinforce every negative perception about him - that he runs on, digresses, nuances and talks to long before coming to the damn point.
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Sugarcoated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 02:59 PM
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16. Okay
Edited on Thu Jul-29-04 02:59 PM by Sugarcoated
John Shadows doesn't care about the voter fraud. Duly noted.
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Sugarcoated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 03:05 PM
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18. I guess I'll just keep bumping this
this issue is too important. And I need to get my posts to that "magic number" so I can start a thead. Sorry again guys, but have ta have ta
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dennis4868 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 03:04 PM
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17. I agree....
it starts to late (thanks to CBS, NBC, and ABC) and it is way too long. As we all know, politics is about perceptions, not abour reality or the truth or the "true" character of people. And Kerry will reinforce the perception about him...that he is boring!
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Sugarcoated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 03:07 PM
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20. I think Kerry will surprise us all.
People that know him well say he comes through in the pressure situations. Maybe a bit too long, but this is serious sh*t. I think people are thaking this seriously.
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Sugarcoated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 03:11 PM
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21. Red Queen - thanks
For some reason your post just appeared. I'll look around the net.
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Sugarcoated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 03:33 PM
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22. From the New York Times
Fear of Fraud
By PAUL KRUGMAN

Published: July 27, 2004

E-mail: krugman@nytimes.com

It's election night, and early returns suggest trouble for the incumbent. Then, mysteriously, the vote count stops and observers from the challenger's campaign see employees of a voting-machine company, one wearing a badge that identifies him as a county official, typing instructions at computers with access to the vote-tabulating software.

When the count resumes, the incumbent pulls ahead. The challenger demands an investigation. But there are no ballots to recount, and election officials allied with the incumbent refuse to release data that could shed light on whether there was tampering with the electronic records.

This isn't a paranoid fantasy. It's a true account of a recent election in Riverside County, Calif., reported by Andrew Gumbel of the British newspaper The Independent. Mr. Gumbel's full-length report, printed in Los Angeles City Beat, makes hair-raising reading not just because it reinforces concerns about touch-screen voting, but also because it shows how easily officials can stonewall after a suspect election.

Some states, worried about the potential for abuse with voting machines that leave no paper trail, have banned their use this November. But Florida, which may well decide the presidential race, is not among those states, and last month state officials rejected a request to allow independent audits of the machines' integrity. A spokesman for Gov. Jeb Bush accused those seeking audits of trying to "undermine voters' confidence," and declared, "The governor has every confidence in the Department of State and the Division of Elections."

Should the public share that confidence? Consider the felon list.

Florida law denies the vote to convicted felons. In 2000 the state hired a firm to purge supposed felons from the list of registered voters; these voters were turned away from the polls. After the election, determined by 537 votes, it became clear that thousands of people had been wrongly disenfranchised. Since those misidentified as felons were disproportionately Democratic-leaning African-Americans, these errors may have put George W. Bush in the White House.

This year, Florida again hired a private company - Accenture, which recently got a homeland security contract worth up to $10 billion - to prepare a felon list. Remembering 2000, journalists sought copies. State officials stonewalled, but a judge eventually ordered the list released.

The Miami Herald quickly discovered that 2,100 citizens who had been granted clemency, restoring their voting rights, were nonetheless on the banned-voter list. Then The Sarasota Herald-Tribune discovered that only 61 of more than 47,000 supposed felons were Hispanic. So the list would have wrongly disenfranchised many legitimate African-American voters, while wrongly enfranchising many Hispanic felons. It escaped nobody's attention that in Florida, Hispanic voters tend to support Republicans.

After first denying any systematic problem, state officials declared it an innocent mistake. They told Accenture to match a list of registered voters to a list of felons, flagging anyone whose name, date of birth and race was the same on both lists. They didn't realize, they said, that this would automatically miss felons who identified themselves as Hispanic because that category exists on voter rolls but not in state criminal records.

But employees of a company that prepared earlier felon lists say that they repeatedly warned state election officials about that very problem.

Let's not be coy. Jeb Bush says he won't allow an independent examination of voting machines because he has "every confidence" in his handpicked election officials. Yet those officials have a history of slipshod performance on other matters related to voting and somehow their errors always end up favoring Republicans. Why should anyone trust their verdict on the integrity of voting machines, when another convenient mistake could deliver a Republican victory in a high-stakes national election?

This shouldn't be a partisan issue. Think about what a tainted election would do to America's sense of itself, and its role in the world. In the face of official stonewalling, doubters probably wouldn't be able to prove one way or the other whether the vote count was distorted - but if the result looked suspicious, most of the world and many Americans would believe the worst. I'll write soon about what can be done in the few weeks that remain, but here's a first step: if Governor Bush cares at all about the future of the nation, as well as his family's political fortunes, he will allow that independent audit.

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