Anyone see Sharpton's Interview with Tweedy?

[Meldread]

..or was I the only one?

[qanda]

1. My husband and I saw it...

Disgusting!

[PROGRESSIVE1]

3. What happened?

[DrWeird]

2. details please?

nt

[Seldona]

4. I saw it.

Tweety is a pos.

Let's hope he is questioning reps during their convention about the MANY lies they told to get us to war.

Like that will happen, imbecilic right wing shrill.

Again, the media's coverage is a travesty during our convention.

Nothing but right wing pundits on every channel breaking in with their right wing bullshit.

Pardon my french, but this is really getting sickening.

[Emboldened Chimp]

5. Who's Tweedy?

You talking about this guy?

[Seldona]

8. Chris Mattews of Hardball/MSNBC.

[Emboldened Chimp]

39. I know...

it was a joke...obviously not a good one....

[lottie244]

6. I wished my spouse had taped it! It was better than sex!!

I vowed not to watch MSNBC but I passed by our den and my spouse called me in to see Al Shaprton as Tweety tried to call him on the carpet.
I can't describe it. I believe the Tweety will take out a hit contract on Al who made him look so bad. You will have to see it to believe it. I hope they show it again. Tweety tried every race-baiting techniques in the book. Even tried to enflame police against Al...you have to see it. I didn't think Tweety could get any lower but tonight he proved me wrong! How low can he go?

[bo44]

10. I agree

Wonder if Tweety has the balls to talk like that to Al to his face and not a monitor.

[bo44]

7. Tweety doing his job to discredit Al in the eyes of whiteous voters

everywhere. If Al had not fought back the way he did I would really be steaming right now. BTW if Tweety really was a journalist with integrity he would question * in regard to his past as a crooked businessman, dope fiend and second rate suck up.

[UTUSN]

9. Tweety Sucker Punched Him with the Rape Case

After lulling SHARPTON into being a regular yakshow guest, he punched him with, "You have built your entire career on a lie." Whatever, I wish SOMEBODY would LITERALLY slug Tweety in his cowardly mug.

[DrWeird]

11. The Rape Case?

You mean where all the republicans lied about Clinton raping that woman? That case? How much time did Matthews spend on that story, anyways?

[Medium Baby Jesus]

16. Tawana Brawley

Tweety claimed Al built his career on that case which is of course a lie.

[DrWeird]

19. Oh.

So it wasn't that time all those Republicans falsely accused Clinton of being a rapist in order to destroy his career. Just checking.

Boy, that's a bit hypocritical of them, isn't it?

[MaineSheAck]

27. What is the story on this case?

Was Al a lawyer for the victim or defendant?

[Medium Baby Jesus]

29. No, Spokesman

Al is not a lawyer.

[DrWeird]

36. Spokesperson.

A 15-year-old black girl was kidnapped, beaten, had shit smeared all over her, and gang raped by what she said was several white men, including a cop.

The police said she did it to herself.

Sharpton showed up to help the girl, accused the police and prosecutors of aiding and abetting. Somebody sued Sharpton for libel, and won. Sharpton still believes Brawley was raped.

One of the cops killed himself.

(which if you ask me, doesn't sound like the action of somebody who's guilt-free.)

[MaineSheAck]

45. Thank you for the summary

Now if I could find out what Matthews did that was considered racist.

[DrWeird]

48. Tawana Brawely is a rallying cry for white racists.

They say that of course Tawana Brawely raped herself (she's black, you know), they say that white cops would never abuse a white person and then try to cover it up (sigh), and that Sharpton, because he tried to stick up for a black child who said she was abused by a white cop(s), that he's a race baiter and an uppity negrah, and he's a murderer because he's responsible for the white cop shooting himself.

Notice how they'll hypocritically resort to libel (falsely accusing Sharpton of being a murderer) all the time whining about how Sharpton is guilty of libel.

Consider if Martin Luther King were still alive and gave a speech at the DNC, then the first thing Matthews says is how he built his career by breaking the law, going to prison, and asking why police officers should vote for the Democratic party when King and his marchers got in all those fights with police and their dogs/firehoses.

[MaineSheAck]

54. Thanks againg for a reasonable answer and summary

A few other rude people could learn from your politeness.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

49. Telling a man that had a long history of civil rights activities prior to

Brawley that his whole career was built on a lie IS RACIST...in the old days, they used to shoot people like Martin and Malcom...now they use a fat assed announcer whose whole career in broadcasting revolves around being rejected as Clinton's press secretary to electronically assassinate a black leader's character...if it were Jesse Jackson he'd have done the same thing....

[southlandshari]

59. kick

for telling the truth!

[desertalien]

18. Watched it instead of Joe.

I have one question, well maybe two. Has Tweety lost it and is that what he should be talking about with Sharpton at this point?

[southlandshari]

23. Tawana Brawley case 17 years ago

for those too young to remember, here is a good synopsis:

http://slate.msn.com/id/2087557

[bossfish]

25. It was a long time ago...

...people can change or grow.

Wasn't Shrub a drunken scumbag seventeen years ago before he was "born again?"

Now he's the Chimperor

[southlandshari]

33. The second part of the article

has some good quotes from Sharpton on the whole affair, and I respect his simple, straightforward answers. This is a non-issue in this campaign for Kerry, and Chris Matthews looked like a fool for bringing it up tonight.

[Medium Baby Jesus]

35. The point was..

Tweety claimed that the Brawley case made Al's career. That's just not true. He was already famous for his civil rights activism. Jones Beach, etc... Tweety's point was that Al's career was built on a lie. Fucking asshole.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

43. No shit..pot meet kettle

Tweety's career is built on a lie..the lie being that he turned his back on his Democratic principles because he wasn't chosen as Clinton's press secretary.

[LittleApple81]

12. I saw the last part (switch back and forth between PBS, CSPAN and cable

news)
He attacked Al Sharpton and his speech mercilessly. He said that judge Thomas had not gotten any benefit from affirmative action so Al was a liar... Al said every American benefited from affirmative action. Among other insulting things he told him he had built his career in the Twila (sp) lie that had cost the lives of policemen and why would he think that police would vote for a democratic party that had Sharpton in it. And he terminated the interview. Sharpton said that his career was based on a lot of other cases that had ended being real cases of abuse of authority and that Matthews was using misinformation to try to conduct a prejudiced interview. (not literal, but just paraphrasing).

[PROGRESSIVE1]

13. TWEETY IS A RACSIST!!!

[MaineSheAck]

24. What did he do that was racist?

Can you give some details?

[CatWoman]

26. he was born

[MaineSheAck]

42. That makes no sense

I asked a reasonable question. Why not expect a reasonable answer? I didn't see the interview.

[CatWoman]

52. i didn't see it either

that's just my personal opinion.

no need to get snippy.

[Flubadubya]

56. Hee hee CatWoman...

Just wait until MaineSheAck REALLY gets to know you... if they hang around that long. :silly: :hi:

[PROGRESSIVE1]

32. He OVERTLY used "Race Baiting" to appease his white conservative....

male audience.

SHOUT IT FROM THE MOUNTAINTOP, CHRIS MATTHEWS IS A RACSIST.

CHRIS MATTHEWS IS MIKE SAVAGE!!!

[MaineSheAck]

44. What does that mean?

What exactly did he say or do that was racist?

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

47. Awfully confrontational aren't you?

You know..if you didn't see it..why are you challenging everyone else's assessments on the thread...why not watch the replay then come back when you actually have an insight or contribution?

[MaineSheAck]

51. I have not challenged anyone

I asked a simple question and got nonsense answers so I asked again. Where do you see me challenging anyone?

[DrWeird]

53. Makes sense to me.

What part of "race baiting" didn't you understand?

[MaineSheAck]

55. I understand race baiting

The was no context to the charge. Now there is so I'm happy.

[seabeyond]

58. has to do with last nites speech that people say racist

sharpton was speaking, was excellent, was really into it as was repug husband, yelling go dude, kids running in and out enjoying listening to him, and tweety interupted with such disdain, this is a man who started his career with a lie, (talking tawney, what 20 years ago?). then he and two other whities sitting there talking how middle america didnt want to hear this and bad bad sharpton and the damage he did to the democratic party with this speech and that they were all outraged

i sat there mouth open, and realized what he had done reaching for remote to turn to cspan to get the end of speech all the while yelling i want to hear

this middle america, middle aged family was listening

there was nothing but good in what sharpton was saying and tweety pulling the plug on his speech, shame shame

it all tainted of keeping black voice quiet

[Jacobin]

14. That fat snickering biggot Mathews should be run out of the

media on a rail.

Ten years ago, he would have been.

Thanks to George Fucking Bush, racism, snickering white men and stupidity are all the rage.

If I saw Tweety right now, I'd spit in his fucking face.

[southlandshari]

15. I don't even know where to begin...

Matthews acted like a rapid dog, almost frothing at the mouth in his attacks on Sharpton, his speech and even the whole Tywanna Brawley (sp?) episode from years ago. It was amazing to watch. To Sharpton's great credit, he never lost his cool and answered every question, even the truly insulting ones, with a smile. I think Tweety thought Sharpton wouldn't have his facts down to back up parts of his speech, but I thought Al gave Chris a pretty good history lesson.

If no one else gives a summary of the exchange, I'll come back in a few minutes and type what I remember.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

28. Al SMILED?

WTF???

[shoopnyc123]

17. Email [e-mail]

He can't get away with his constant defense of CLARENCE THOMAS of all people. Sharpton has been one of the only public figures to continue to fight for the African American community in New York. It's an insult. Email Hardball, let them know.

[desertalien]

22. rabid dog, perfect .

[shoopnyc123]

20. By the way...

does he even have a journalism degree?

[DrBB]

21. God I LOVE threads like this!!!

No content, no post, no hint as to what the actual content is. Yes, it's WONDERFUL. Just plug in whatever story you want!

Um, btw, No, I DIDN'T see Al on Tweety. Would you condescend to deign to bother to inform the rest of us poor peons as to some tiny tidbit of information as to why you thought it was of interest? Hm?

For a while there, we had a moderator-enforced rule saying you couldn't post a vacuum thread like this. I for one wouldn't mind bringing it back.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

30. Tweety Told Al His Career Was Built On A Lie- Tawana Brawley....

He also said Clarence Thomas didn't benefit from Brown v Board of Education....


I don't know why Willie Brown didn't come to the Reverand Al's defense....


The Reverand Al has some baggage but it should be looked at in the context of his whole career....

How many of us would like to be judged by our worst act.....

[Jacobin]

31. I'll try to recap

Tweety= T
Sharpton = S

paraphrasing, of course.

T. Your comment that if Smirk were president in 1954 that Clarence wouldn't have been appointed to the SCOTUS is fatally flawed because Thomas went to segregated schools.

S. Long attempt at explaining that if Smirk had appointed SCOTUS judges in the 1950's that affirmative action would not have happened and of course Thomas would not have gotten into law school with his grades, much less gotten the lower level legal jobs to enable him to be considered SCOTUS judge. (Quite obvious and IMPOSSIBLE to argue with, btw)

T: Repeats that Brown v. Board of Education in 1954 didn't help Thomas get to SCOTUS (another attempt at misdirection)

S. Long attempts to re-explain, done very well by the way.

T: Why would a policeman listen to you about voting for Kerry after the Twana Brawley thing which launched your career.

S. Brawaley didn't launch my career. I handled lots of other cases and you can like some and not like some, but I've handled lots of cases and I've been right when everyone else said I was wrong. And, I was right on WMD.

T: Snide comment about him being "over the top" or out of control, or divisive. Sniggering among the Butcher of Pensacola (Scarboy), Tweety, et al, as they laughed at this goofy black guy who is "hurting the democrats".

Lots more over the top insults to Sharpton with locker room giggles about "darky" all around.

Disgusting display of overt and rank racism.

[southlandshari]

40. good summary

Matthews also repeatedly tried to get Sharpton to admit that he had deviated far from his "approved" speech and that it must have offended party officials.

One of Sharpton's finer moments (and there were many in this "interview) was when he shot back at Tweety something along the lines that "no one from the party was upset, no delegates were upset, only ones upset seem to be the pundits, and since it isn't their business to tell us how to run our convention, I'd like it if we could just get back to the issues!"

The whole thing about 1954 and Brown vs. Board of Education and Clarence Thomas was just surreal. I could just see Matthews sitting at a little desk with an old Encyclopedia Britannica, chewing on his little no. 2 pencil and searching for "facts" to trip up big bad Al Sharpton. It was the most ridiculous, embarrassing display of bias, hostility and immature baiting I have ever seen on a cable news program (although I don't watch Fox).

[LittleApple81]

34. Another idea would be to read posts previous to yours. I gave a

paraphrased summary in post 12.

[DrBB]

41. In the time it took me to post that

...it went from 2-3 posts to 20-odd. So fine. If I post something, I regard it as my responsibility to inform people WTF I am talking about in the FIRST place, rather than waiting for someone to come along in post 12 and explain after the fact.

[shoopnyc123]

37. Email [e-mail]

and get this jerk out of there...Sharpton has helped our community here when no others have stepped up. Email Hardball.

[LittleApple81]

38. I already sent one e-mail before the Sharpton scene... BUT PLEASE LET'S

ALL SEND E-MAILS.

[Merlin]

61. Just sent this to MSNBC. Thanks for the address.

Mr. Matthews,

...
Your verbal tirades against Sharpton were an outrage and belie a deep-rooted lack of dignity and respect which borders on racism.

I usually enjoy your programs, not because of your obnoxious, bullying "moderation," but because you often have interesting guests. I will now reconsider.

No matter what you may think, nobody has ever proven Sharpton wrong in the Brawley case. And it was many years ago. In the interim, Sharpton has proven himself a competent, intelligent, responsible, articulate, even eloquent spokesman for an important point of view.

You have no right, sir, to treat him as a presumptive liar. You have no right to treat him with such scornful disrespect.

You, sir, owe Mr. Sharpton an apology.

[KharmaTrain]

46. Believe It Or Not, Folks, This Is Good Stuff...

The black community has been chaffing a lot lately...from the Florida shit to the NAACP snub by Chimpster and the attacks on that group and now the attacks on Sharpton. I wouldn't be surprised if Tom Joyner has snippets of this food fight on his show tomorrow and the spin sure won't be the same as what O'Reilly and his ilk would give...and Joyner reaches 10 million black households daily. Maybe Tweety had done us a favor.

If you're in a major market, see if there's a local black talk station and give it a listen. There's one in Chicago where the Bunnypants bashing and anger have been really hitting fever pitch in recent weeks and that was before all this crap started happening. Thanks to folks like Joyner, Tavis Smiley and a growing number of black journalists a quiet, powerful and positive force is developing in the black community.

I tend to think of Sharpton as more showman than politician...having risen to the top on his personality and flamboyance as opposed to his "smarts". He's the yin to Barak Obama's yang...but still a valuable and refreshing voice. Tweety had the stones to ask what Sharpton added to the campaign, and if Tweety didn't look back at the points Al raised...just as much as Kucinich, about the war and pushed the other candidates around on civil rights and even the tax cuts. As a black friend of mine always says "nobody like an uppity negro"...well that could be ammended to nobody likes an uppity white woman named Hillary or Tesesa, too.

[peacetalksforall]

50. Verbal gang rape. I think the right wing has a list of people on whom

they will attempt a verbal gang rape and Sharpton is on it as is Jackson as is Waters as is Frank as is Gore.

The right wing is missing the gene that has to do with the clock that ticks away the year and the gene that tells normal people when to drop something. Their producers demand that their cute little propaganda hosts sell their souls in exchange for their paychek. They had to bring up his past for a double discredit.

Why do they continue to do it - he is unflappable. If Sharpton hadn't made the Thomas remark they would have never invited him on tonight - Tweety had orders to knock him out, to not let the comment stand.

Sharpton will probably even perfect his reply because they'll try again.

How powerful Thomas must be that he has General Electric standing up for him?

[tabasco]

57. Sharpton did pretty well responding to Chrissy Matthews.

It really was a pandering and disgusting display by Matthews. Sharpton told him after the Brawley smear that he would not respond to a question that was premised on a lie. Great response. I suppose Chrissy is the hit of the freeper crowd now. I wonder if Chrissy will be as hard-hitting at the repug convention - hahahahahahahahaha!

[Sugarbleus]

60. I didn't see it. I'm sorry, yet it may have saved my blood

pressure from zooming up. They lynched him because he spoke the TRUTH.

Just like always. If he had been a quiet, soft spoken, hand wringing, little twit.............nothing would have happened.

HE SPOKE THE TRUTH AT THE CONVENTION.......... Sharpton will survive. I'm sure he KNEW this would happen. You and I knew it when he said it. I will always support him for his courage to speak the truth. I will support anyone who speaks the truth.

It's dangerous to stand up to the crowd and do such a thing; you have to consider the cost. He did and took the risk. Like Theresa Heinz said; do what is right, even when no one is looking. I say do it even more when they are; count the cost and go for it if you will. Nothing ever get's done without risk.

BLESS YOU AL..............

[CaTeacher]

62. Throughout his career, Sharpton has

ALWAYS done the right thing--he has always fought for justice and truth. Yes--sometimes that has had some negative consequences, but it doesn't change the fact that Sharpton is a great man.

Tweety needs to wise up.

[Used and Abused]

63. Hopefully the prosecutors in the Kobe trial

Will get the same treatment when Kobe is found innocent. Oh my bad---I forgot--theres nothing wrong with accusing a black man of rape!

[southlandshari]

64. Tonight's The Daily Show

was an absolute must-see (it replays here at midnight, CDT), especially for those upset about Tweety's treatment of Sharpton tonight. A total slapdown of media coverage of the convention, and lots of footage including Tweety and Sharpton.