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MikeG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 11:21 PM
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The picture of Kerry saluting will win him the election.
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Stephan_Ketz Donating Member (28 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 11:22 PM
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1. Agreed, but
one could say this was bit too offensive!
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Rainbowreflect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 11:23 PM
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2. I'm sure the rupubs will.
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West Coast Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 11:26 PM
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5. Were you offended?
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Stephan_Ketz Donating Member (28 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 11:29 PM
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7. I'm not
but it immediately rushed into my mind that the repugs will get nasty about the salute and phrase.
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MikeG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 11:30 PM
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9. He served his country - let them bring it up.
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 11:27 PM
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6. One could say anything
12 posts
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Stephan_Ketz Donating Member (28 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 11:30 PM
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10. Is this a warm welcome?
Don't make me sad!
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MikeG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 11:39 PM
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24. I will only question what you say, never you personally.
But I think its a great picture.
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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 11:30 PM
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8. You were offended that an US Soldier salutes his country?
What the FUCHeney?


:eyes: :WTF:
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Stephan_Ketz Donating Member (28 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 11:33 PM
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16. The statement above should clear my position!
I wasn't offended, but thought of the repugs misusing it.
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 11:30 PM
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11. Not "offensive", but a little cheesy, I thought.
Just me.
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 11:32 PM
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12. One could say welcome to DU
but I won't...

RL
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Stephan_Ketz Donating Member (28 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 11:39 PM
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25. But I say hello to YOU fellow DU'er
that should make you happy!

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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 11:32 PM
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13. Kerry is no stranger to a salute...Front or Back!
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Dem2theMax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 11:35 PM
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18. Kerry earned the right to salute as he did tonight.
Bush on the other hand, every time I see him do it, I just about gag.
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qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 11:36 PM
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20. You could give a reason why anyone would find that offensive
And instead of being defensive because some people find you suspect, explain what you mean.
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wabeewoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 11:36 PM
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22. I, for one, am sick
and tired of letting the repugs define the dialog. I loved the tone of the convention. Even Bart would say it looks like the dems are growing some balls. We are taking back the flag and taking back our country! If they don't like it, they can get over it! Or they can move to Iraq (wink, smile)....
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NightOwwl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 11:24 PM
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3. Someone needs to post a pic of Bush attempting a salute
next to Kerry. The one with Barney!
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 11:35 PM
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17. Leaning over.
In the military, as an officer, you are taught NEVER to carry anything in your right hand. Not an umbrella, nothing.
It's so that you are able to give or return a salute.
His salute to his Marine guards bending over, holding his dog, is an insult to the military and the Marines.
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 11:44 PM
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29. Enlisted men aren't supposed to carry anything

in their right hands, either. That was one thing my career Navy dad would dress down an enlisted man for.
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SheepyMcSheepster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 11:40 PM
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27. here ya go
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NightOwwl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 11:41 PM
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28. Thank you Sheepy!
Edited on Thu Jul-29-04 11:43 PM by NightOwwl
That is priceless.
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kwolf68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 11:25 PM
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4. Well

Kerry dodged bullets in Vietnam...he earned the right to salute. F*** bush
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Dookus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 11:32 PM
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14. yup
if Bush tried it, he'd poke himself in the eye.
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qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 11:33 PM
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15. I thought it was great
eom
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against all enemies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 11:35 PM
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19. Only those that reported for duty can criticize, they won't.
Who will say anything?
Bush, Cheney, they can't.
Powell, McCain, they won't.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 11:36 PM
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21. Welcome to DU, Mr. Ketz
I'm sure you know as well as anybody here that if Kerry praised Mom and apple pie, the Republican attack machine would find fault with Kerry, Mom and apple pie.

A bunch of thugs who would morph Max Cleland into Osama would stoop to anything.
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SodoffBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 11:39 PM
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23. Superb!
I also loved his comment about his wanting a country that relied on ingenuity rather than the Saudi Royal Family. He also said he would be a president who believed in science. Just what I wanted to hear!

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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 11:40 PM
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26. That was a genius way to start and Kerry rose to every expectation
of mine (as I did predict that he WOULD!)
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jdonaldball Donating Member (684 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 11:45 PM
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30. It's not offensive but it's contrary to the
American tradition of Presidents emphasizing their civilian status rather than military status. Bush is the more guilty one of course, in doing such things, because yes Kerry is a true combat vet while Bush was AWOL.
But for over 200 years, American Presidents avoided giving salutes in their civilian roles, even when meeting with the military. Traditionally a salute is (or was) given only between men in uniform, at least in America. Presidents were supposed to be above this, even if they were veterans, and even (or ESPECIALLY) in their roles as Commander in Chief - because the original idea was for Commander In Chief to be a civilian role, to avoid Caesarism.
Washington and FDR and even (or especially) Eisenhower, to name a few, were veterans, but never appeared in military uniform while they were President - and this started with George Washington deliberately trying to distinguish civilian politics from military roles.
Sorry but this was a stupid salute. Not as stupid as when AWOL does it, but still, silly and contary to a fine old American tradition started by (former General) George Washington.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 11:51 PM
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31. You better go back and review some film of presidents getting off...
...of the helicoptor or Air Force One. I bet you'll see quite a few salutes from presidents....and yes, that's part of the tradition.
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jdonaldball Donating Member (684 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-04 12:03 AM
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33. Only since Reagan
The "tradition" you mention, started with Reagan.
It was not done before 1981 at the earliest.
So, do you look to Reagan as an origin of America's finest traditions?
:-) I prefer George Washington.
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AnnInLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 11:52 PM
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32. Was the "reporting for duty" a subtle dig at bush?
since bush obviously didn't report to duty in Viet Nam or Guard duty, or whatever the hell it was? Even if it was meant to contrast...was it a dig? Even if it wasn't meant as a dig, I choose to take it that way and it was great..I leapt out of my chair!
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-04 12:08 AM
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34. Side by side for best effect...Kerry salutes-Bush salutes
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