Pat Buchanan on MSNBC says Country moving to Dems in future...last

[KoKo]

of the Goldwater Repugs are dying out, and the message about jobs and wage income going down is going to the Dems and he doesn't think the Repugs can stand up to the facts and figures. Says Hispanics are going Dem and California and Illinois will go Dem.

That's a huge statement from Buchanan. Bodes well for us. Although he said that Kerry had moved to the Center so that the Repugs couldn't attack him for having moved Left. And Buchanan said he had "moved away from his base to do it.." (that's me and others...the Dem base who have been moved away from as if we are pariahs)

[Kinkistyle]

1. Whoa did we get invaded by body snatchers?

Pat Buchanan has become the strongest voice for the Dem candidate on whore media?

[MichiganVote]

10. The rats leave the ship...good sign

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

26. Buchanan has been OFF the GWB ship for quite some time if you

take some time to read the many essays and articles he's written the last few years. I dare say he has written more scathing critiques (and mostly well written) of the shrubco/neocon foreign policy than most Democratic writers have.

[REVOLT823]

28. Yeah, he is a regular contributor

on anitwar.com. While I don't agree with a lot of his positions, he is very eloquent about foreign policy

[Indiana_Dem]

2. Yes we are pariahs aren't we! haha!

I think what is trying to be done is....they are trying to pull the far left to the middle to accept the war. That is the only way the country as a whole will be united in effort. Although I don't like war, I would better accept John Kerry's guidance than Bush's. I think that's what the DNC is trying to accomplish along with luring discontent Indys and Repubs to us as well.

Do you think they'll sway the anarchists??? Nah.

[TheWraith]

23. Wrong way to look at it, I think.

Look at it this way--the main body of the left is anchoring Kerry while he leans across the divide to rescue the moderate ex-Republicans and haul them back to our side. He's exploiting Bush's repellent nature to bring the disaffected over to us, rather than try to build a new middle.

By the way, speaking as an anarchist, he has definitely swayed the anarchists. Being an anarchist is about being against authoritarianism. Given the alternative, I think my fellows are voting solidly Kerry.

[Indiana_Dem]

27. Okay, I'll take that.

I'm somewhat of an (Noam Chomsky)anarchist myself at times so that's why I was saying this. I'm glad to hear the fellows are voting. I wondered if they were going to vote at all.

[IrishBloodEngHeart]

3. Buchanan has always been honest

he is one of the few repubs who will tell the truth, and doesn't spin too much.

[belle]

20. Erm, you may want to rewatch his 1996 GOP convention speech before

deciding he's such a mensch. Just saying.

also reread some of his earlier work, esp. that having to do with racial minorities and gays.

[elperromagico]

4. Buchanan was saying last night

- and Scarborough was agreeing - that the Republican Party, regardless of the outcome in November, is on its way to a major split between the moderates and neo-conservatives. It was fascinating to hear.

[umtalal]

6. I wish he said more on that.

maybe we should open a discussion on that? any takers?

[JohnKleeb]

7. time for the music to come on

:) we're gonna be the majority party again.

[knight_of_the_star]

12. Took them long enough to click

I feel that we should help that split along. If we can spectacularly beat the GOP in November by say, taking the White House, the House, and the Senate, I think that the moderates will tell the right wing to take a long walk off a short pier. I somehow like that image for some odd reason :evilgrin:.

Seriously though, there are a LOT of moderates who are more than a little dissatisfied with the direction that the GOP has been going and I'm willing to bet that given half the chance they would jump ship. Without the moderate branch of the party the radicals will be hard-pressed to win ANY elections in the future, America is just not conservative enough to swallow their bs.

[elperromagico]

14. And don't forget the fiscal conservatives.

There are still some left in the Republican Party, after all. Bush is a deficit hawk; those fiscal conservatives might stick with him in November, but if he loses or has a suspect "win" like he had in 2000, they might very well bolt.

[JohnKleeb]

16. you know the funny thing is that I was reading the emerging dem majority

on a workbreak yesterday, I was like its so sad how we have become what we made the GOP in the post depression years, but now we're back and we are gonna be on top.

[Arugula Latte]

22. It was like

they were holding up dirty Republican undies and showing us all the skid marks.

[necso]

24. The schism is much deeper than that.

On one side are the "new conservatives" and their allies, on the other is everybody else: libertarians, conservatives of many schools, moderates and progressives.

The "new conservatives" (many dispute that they are truly conservatives) are widely thought to be unworldly, reckless, lacking in judgment, ruthless and brutal. Ideologues of a strange, unthinking sort, they have been wildly successful selling a program that offends many republican sensibilities.

But being wildly successful, they control the party and they enforce a hard disciple, backed by the iron fist (or more frequently the "secret dagger").

Pat is very wrong if he thinks that the "new conservatives" can be dislodged from power in the republican party by the "moderates" without a disastrous defeat in the fall.

Mr Buchanan could do this country a great service by recognizing this fact and speaking out about it... But from years of fighting (as a fellow pug) with his brand of conservatives, I know the mindset all too well to believe that he will rise to the occasion.

Still, as I recall, he ran against * --- and that tells you something, regardless of what seems to his need to remain loyal to a "republican ideal", long after the pugs have discarded it.

[NYCGirl]

5. Buchanan has been talking against the neo-cons for a while now.

He's not a big fan of the administration, and the war in Iraq. In fact, on McLaughlin Group, Buchanan and Eleanor Clift are sometimes in agreement, much to their mutual surprise.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

8. I honestly think

SOME repugs have been reading the writing on the wall for a while now (this country is far more left than anyone would like to admit, except lefties!) and that's the basis of their fear and trying to control things so hard.

They KNOW this country is going dem.....just look at the demographics for crying out loud.

[City Lights]

9. Carl Bernstein started this conversation in the earlier segment.

He talked about a tectonic shift in the political landscape beginning tonight with Kerry's speech. Lil Joe looked dumbfounded and quickly went to a commercial. When they returned, Pat pretty much agreed with Carl. It was beautiful to watch.

[geek tragedy]

11. He was blown away by the Kerry speech. MSNBC's Republican

talking heads are more fair than the skankfest on CNN.

[ParisFrance]

15. Joe isn't a neocon and may be getting ready to support Kerry

[geek tragedy]

19. Just because he's lucid today

doesn't mean he won't be back on the koolaid tomorrow.

[sandnsea]

25. Not a chance

Joe's a heck of a nice guy when he's anywhere but on his show, seems to me anyway. Don't kid yourself, he'll be back to his old obnoxious self tomorrow.

[Zomby Woof]

13. as a rule

I don't care much for a Nazi's perspective.

[kwolf68]

17. Pat

Must be on drugs.

[annxburns]

18. I totally heart the paleo vs. neo split ..

... and I think it is happening but somewhat under the radar. The evidence will not be there till Nov. 3rd. The only way it will reveal itself in republican turnout. I think the paleos are just not going to go to the polls on Nov 2nd. Now, if that is the case, and Kerry does win (PLEASE) then there be recriminations galore and a reexamination of the repub party.

But remember, Rove is counting on turning out the christian conservative vote and making sure that somehow that swamps the dem turnout. (Main lesson Rove learned from the mid-terms in 02) But, I think he is miscalculating. The dems are united and growing. To make sure, I will work like a dog on voter turnout.

(I apologize for the grammer and spelling because I am sortof smashed. hic.)

[neoteric lefty]

21. Kerry has not moved away from us... it more like

he as excused himself for a moment to introduce himself to some newcomers to the party like any good host. He knows who we are and believes what we believe. It is time though, to help get new blood into the party for all of our sakes.