'Terrorist attack to trigger coup d'etat'

[Beam Me Up]

Would the Democratic party stand up to this?:

America is at the crossroads of the most serious crisis in its history.

An Al Qaeda sponsored terrorist attack is being contemplated as a "trigger mechanism" for carrying out a coup d'etat.

Whether it is going to be carried out is another matter. The statements of the Bush administration regarding the possibility of a red code alert must, nonetheless, be taken seriously.

The coded terror alerts and "terror events" which have been announced by DHS are part of a disinformation campaign carried out by the CIA, the Pentagon, the State Department and Homeland Security.

US intelligence is not only involved in creating phony terror warnings, it is also firmly behind the terror groups, providing them with covert support.
( See: http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO301B.html )

Documented by official police sources, at least two of the DHS's high profile post 9/11 terror alerts were fabricated. (http://globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO402A.html )

Much, much, more:
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/072904_coup_detat_america.shtml

[Lucky Luciano]

1. Of course, I wonder

how much the CIA likes b*sh these days.

We have:

1) The Plame incident
2) The blame being placed squarely on their shoulders for intelligence failures to cover up b*sh's predetermination to go to war.
3) Tenet most likely being forced out.
4) The attempt to make a cabinet department that would oversee all the intelligence agencies.

The CIA is pretty mad about these things IMO and may not help b*sh as much as one would normally think.

(I hope)

[Beam Me Up]

8. This is not about BUSH

This is not to say that Bush has no role in what is taking place. He does. But it is a temporary role. He can be, and probably will be, replaced.

However, that does not necessarily change the point being made by this article.

Imagine a Kerry win, for example. However, a small nuclear devise goes off in DC evaporating the WH and Congress. What then would happen?

This has ALL been worked out. Surely you don't think that State Governments haven't been alerted to the chains of command that are to be put in place should such a thing occur? You see, from THAT point of view, the 'preparedness' point of view, it doesn't matter whether the attack is the result of genuine, external terrorism -- an act of war -- or whether it issued from a more home-grown political agenda.

The point of this article is that regardless of the cause of the problem, regardless of the nature of the problem, NOTHERN COMMAND would be in control of this country.

"You're either with US, or you're with them, the terrorists."

[aquart]

2. Well, BushCo has a problem, then.

Who's going to enforce the coup? The military? They'd sooner turn the guns on Bush. The state militias? Sorry, they're in Iraq. The cops? They're still ticked about being stiffed after 9/11.

Who's going to enforce this genius coup? The CEOs?

You can't have a coup if you ain't got the men. They ain't got the men. (Not to mention 50 governors who will hunt them down with the state troopers under their command.)

From the Wilderness has to be the most paranoid annoying site on the planet.

[Beam Me Up]

6. LOL! I really do hope you are right.

I think you're right, fromthewilderness.com IS paranoid. The question is, is that paranoia unfounded?

What we are seeing and what we've been seeing since at least 1980 is a stronger and stronger far-right stance manifested in the attitudes the Federal Government as a whole takes toward a variety of policies. Now we have arrived at a stage where elections can be decided by the Supreme court; airplanes can mysteriously be hijacked, flown into buildings killing thousands of people while generating hundreds of questions about it that not only go unanswered, they go UNASKED. We can throw into this all sorts of bug-a-boos like FBI cases investigating 'the worst terrorist attack in the nations history' that never get completed because the agents get called away to investigate an antrhax mailer using US Army Weapons Grade Anthrax who also manages to perpetually evade detection. No Osama, no Anthrax Mailer, no WMD in Iraq -- we could go on but you get the point.

What the hell are we to think? THIS is just POLITICS AS USUAL?

NOT!

Edit: clarity

[JSJ]

7. "Who's going to enforce the coup"?

The shadow government- which has had about 50 years to bring people into it's fold, including military brass, bureaucrats, politicians and business leaders.

[GreenPartyVoter]

20. Mercenaries

[REVOLT823]

12. Totally agree with you, I used to get into this argument

with a militia guy I used to work with, he was always talking about how the government was going to do this, or that, but could never get by my argument that the military wouldn't go for it. People forget that the military would have to back this up, and that the military is made up of normal people like you and me, that love their country very much, so they are not going to be down with helping kill off democracy

[rooboy]

16. The military is not as important now...

the media enforces the coup. Your uprising in your city doesn't get reported, therefore it never happened.

How many soldiers did Jim Jones need to make 900 people drink the kool aid?

[Pallas180]

18. You have governors and state militias who support the cabal

cops are a paramilitary force....

If you search out the report I made in June on the "police state" in
Savannah you'll see they do have army, state guard, contractors, and
cops...25,000 for a town of 20,000.

humvees, jeeps, tanks, and barbed wire in the streets.

I thought just as you did, that our National Guard was in Iraq.

Don;t kid yourself. They've got the armed power ---where it's coming from I don;t know...but it was there. Even Irish and Canadian
contractors and army people.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

26. Here are a couple of articles that support what you're saying...

<http://www.military.com/NewsContent/1,13319,FL_ala_071902,00.html?cat=LEA>

Excerpts:

A day after President Bush's release of a homeland defense strategy calling for the possible domestic use of U.S. military forces, Alabama activated a 300-soldier Army National Guard tank battalion as part of a homeland defense force.

In a statement released Wednesday, Alabama Gov. Don Siegelman said the Ozark, Ala.-based 1st Battalion, 131st Armor "is equipped with modern battle tanks, the M1A1 Abrams" and "will serve in the homeland defense role within the United States."

...snip...

"Asked if the armored battalion was deploying with its tanks and, if so, what role they would play in a domestic role, Guard spokesman Lt. Col. Robert Horton said: "That can't be discussed. It all will depend on the mission."
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<http://www.gao.gov/docsearch/abstract.php?rptno=GAO-04-670T>

Excerpts:

As a result of the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks and launch of the Global War on Terrorism, the National Guard has experienced the largest activation of its forces since World War II. The Guard consists of 350,000 Army Guard soldiers and 107,000 Air Guard members.

...snip...

With the high pace of operations since September 11, more than 51 percent of Army Guard members and 31 percent of Air Guard members have been activated to meet new homeland and overseas demands.
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More...

<http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/news/2002/10/mil-021008-usa01.htm>

[Media_Lies_Daily]

24. I didn't think what happened in December 2000 was possible either...

...but it happened. And if that wasn't a coup then I don't know what a coup looks like at all.

And I also didn't think that the NeoCons would be able to convince so many people to fight a war in Iraq based on a pack of lies. But that happened, too.

I also didn't think that Congress would EVER buy off on a bill that essentially neutralized the U. S. Constitution. But that also happened.

I've given up thinking that anything is impossible, particularly if it comes from the NeoCons.

[Zorra]

3. Geebus. Thanks for the Red Alert info.

[JSJ]

4. the 'transparent' things the Administration have done...

...certainly leads one to conclude how awful the hidden things must be. Is this band of thieves and murderers capable and willing to initiate another attack on US soil (or even outside the US) should their plans to commit future crimes face unstoppable opposition, ie. the election of a candidate or candidates not their own?

Yes. If the defection of Jeffords- among several possible causes- in the Senate triggered the 9-11 attacks, then ten will get you twenty that the potential loss of the WH could unleash another timely and catastrophic event.

[Beam Me Up]

9. No, no, it isn't about the White House...the White House is IRRELEVANT

Come on People THINK!!!

IF the White House and who occupies it really matters, then would they put an IDIOT in it? * is just there to play a role. It's all just "make believe." Need I remind ANY of you that he is NOT the elected President? Well, he isn't. The man couldn't get elected DOG CATCHER without and enormously powerful force operating behind him.

But, come on, they aren't backing him because HE is important. Surely you can see that. (He may not see it, he is so fucking stupid, but I'm sure his ol' man knows this.) Why would anyone want to SUPPORT that brainless, egotistical sack of lying shit? His ONLY value is to act as a lightening rod of public attention. They don't care whether we love him, hate him or laugh at him. He is irrelevant.

No, this is about DESTROYING THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES AND GETTING AWAY WITH IT.

H E L L O

It is about creating a situation that will JUSTIFY its nullification. All this HAS to be "believable." The American People will be led to believe that they WANT to give up their Constitutional rights because they HAVE to do so in order to remain safe.

And the "enemy" will be anyone who opposes them.

At some point they are going to HAVE to equate DECENT with TERRORISM. Think about that, folks.

[JSJ]

11. the WH is 'THE PLUM' that ensures power and riches

for whatever cabal and whoever's cronies occupy it. You're right if you're saying it's irrelevant who occupies it as far as the true owners of the country are concerned as long as their interests are served first and foremost. The President merely serves his clients in the corporate world and the world of old wealth.

[Beam Me Up]

17. It is true. . .

The Office of President puts into the hands of whichever faction can acquire it a great deal of wealth and power -- the whole edifice of the Executive branch of government in the US and that is no small thing. However, what is ALSO being suggested, in the article, is the step by step elimination of the Constitution. The Presidency as an office has the powers it does granted to it BY the Constitution. A National Emergency Situation would place the country under Nor-Com control -- military control.

It seems to me I remember reading somewhere that the head of Nor-Com TODAY was the head of NORAD on 9/11. I'll see what I can find.

Edit to add:

the people in charge of defending us were rewarded. General Myers, who was Acting Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff on September 11th, was quickly confirmed as Chairman just two days later. General Ralph Eberhart, Commander in Chief of NORAD at the time of the attack, was promoted to head the new "Northern Command" a year after the attack. 1 2 George W. Bush enjoyed an immediate boost in popularity and virtually unanimous support in Congress for his agenda. The Department of Defense was awarded a huge increase in its budget.

http://911research.wtc7.net/post911/aviation/
http://911research.wtc7.net/post911/aviation/#ref1
http://911research.wtc7.net/post911/aviation/#ref2

[yodermon]

19. you said

"At some point they are going to HAVE to equate DECENT with TERRORISM. "

That is the most hilarious, wonderful, unintentionally truthful misspelling of "DISSENT" I have ever seen.

As for the JBTs (Jack-Booted Thugs) that will enforce the dismantling of our civil liberties, look no further than the privatized mercenary army currently in Iraq. (are some of these "troops" halliburton's & other contractors' employees? or are they contracted directly by the US gov't? Both?) Or look at what the Abu Ghraibians soldiers were capable of.

Just the right orwellian mix of fear, propaganda, ACTUAL TERRORISM, and bribery (the for-hire thugs are well-paid) and you've got yourself a brute squad.

[Beam Me Up]

21. DUHH

What can I say, it was 2 AM after a long day.

As for the rest of your post, I agree. CORPORATE CONTRACTOR TERRORISTS -- what a concept. They have us coming and going.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

5. Given the fact that the CIA and NeoCons are practically at war...

...with each other, I doubt seriously if the CIA is involved in this operation.

If an intell group is involved, it is probably the OSP, the Pentagon-based intell group that was created as a NeoCon alternative to the CIA and DIA.

[Beam Me Up]

13. Does 'coup d'etat' not emply GENUINE OPPOSITION?

I do not doubt there are REAL PATRIOTS inside the CIA, the US MILITARY, the FBI and any number of other agencies. And by that I mean people who take the role of safeguarding the Constitution very seriously.

"Whoever controls your perception of reality controls you."

If I can CONVINCE YOU that a) an authentic Terrorist Attack has occurred and b) as a result of this the entire nation must be but under military authority to safe guard "the National Interest," would you object?

How many people have objected to what has happened to this country since 9/11? I would dare say that most people even on this board still believe that 9/11 was the consequence of a genuinely foreign attack upon our nation. It is the explanation that was given those events and most everyone believes it is true. The whole national discourse since that time has altered significantly. We have been lead to believe we are in a war. Well, of course, indeed we are; but who is the enemy, really?

I mean, great politicians and military leaders throughout all time have based their strategic decisions on what benefitted THEM and whoever they regarded as 'their people'. Great leaders wage wars very strategically. Generally speaking they don't just go blowing things up randomly. They have a 'battle plan.' They choose their targets with care so as to create the most desired results.

If we are to believe that Osama bin Ladden is a great leader, general and so forth, we have to ask, what STRATEGIC significance could he have gained by attacking SYMBOLS of American power?

9/11 was a PSYCHOLOGICAL event; it was DESIGNED to have a psychological impact. The VICTIMS of that impact are not only those who were injured or lost their lives physically. WE ARE ALL VICTIMS OF 9/11; we have all been psychologically injured -- our sense of national security shattered. But, STRATEGICALLY speaking, how does bin Ladden truly benefit from that? Does he want to see America under military authority? How would that in any way advance the cause of world Arabs, even fundamentalist Arabs? Or are we to simply accept that they are completely insane, irrational mother fuckers who just hate us because we can eat cheese burgers and freedom fries?

[Suzi Creamcheese]

10. I knew they were up to something suspicious

Why didn't Kerry say anything about this in his speech?

[Beam Me Up]

14. Kerry and Edwards ARE NOT DUMMIES

Dimson, lord only know WHAT he thinks is actually going on. But Kerry and Edwards have access to intelligence that is highly classified. If they ARE supported by a genuine opposition -- that is, an opposition loyal to the Constitution -- then they may be in grave danger.

Certainly, they are not alone. Whether or not those who back them will, ultimately, be victorious -- that is quite another matter.

[Tight_rope]

15. Sorry...local Home Depot ran out of duck tape!...Try back at a later date!

[Beam Me Up]

22. Saturday morning kick just to see what happens

:kick:

[Beam Me Up]

23. Saturday Night Kick for Eloriel

[liveoaktx]

25. Reminds me of the movie "The Siege" with Denzel Washington

Annette Benning and Bruce Willis.