Why was Kerry so mean to the Saudi royal family?

[Cocoa]

And why did that line get so much applause? :-)

http://www.thenation.com/thebeat/index.mhtml?bid=1&pid=1652

"I want an America that relies on its own ingenuity and innovation -- not the Saudi royal family," he said, in pointed reference to the Bush family's dark and continual compromises of American security and values with the dictators of the Middle East.



Will the media finally report in detail on this connection? In all the hours and hours of Moore interviews and Moore stories, I don't remember one mention of the substance behind Moore's basic charge.

I wonder if they will similarly ignore this part of Kerry's speech.

[Myrina]

1. weren't there pics of Saudi Prince (whoever) in Crawford

... in 2000 or just after the selection ?

Add to that, years and years worth of business arrangements between both George(s) Bush and the Saudi's.

How much more proof do you need ? :shrug:

[Wickerman]

2. I loved it and one of the t'heads on last night actually even

noted it as a direct lift from Moore.

Hey, does anyone have the link to the rebuttals of the 59 points about F-9/11? I'll search for it, but if someone bookmarked it...

thanks

[Cocoa]

3. I heard that

one of the historians on PBS, right?

[Wickerman]

7. that was the one

yep, the PBS coverage improved, I felt, as the convention wore on.

[Hong Kong Cavalier]

6. Check out Daily Kos

Here: www.dailykos.com

That's where I first saw it.

[Wickerman]

8. thanks, that is the one I was thinking of

:yourock:

[seabeyond]

4. kerry knows things here i am sure

and i told husband when i heard that line,.......oooooosh, those saudi's have some ass kisses to do. kerry sent a clear clear message to them

[Cocoa]

5. I wonder if they'll respond...

they're very sensitive to their image, they spend tons of money on PR.

[BeFree]

11. Tons of money= barrels of oil

The royal saudi family... what a great bunch of guys.

If they reduced the price of oil by about 50% they'd buy some respect, but that ain't gonna happen.

I was so glad to see Kerry stick it too the royal family. He ain't afraid, he knows America will overcome. Hope is on the way.

[seabeyond]

12. yup and so many ways

they own so much of cnn and cnn behavior, cant help for kerry to embrace them. we watched it all when came out bush gave them a classified document about war that specifically said foriegners couldnt read. adn saudi dude started showing up in his lies, and protecting bush with cnn, using his power there, and acting like not. like how stupid are we

not to mention oil connection
bush connection
bush with them after 9/11
dad having breakfast with them 9/11
15 hijackers saudi

goes on and on what might happen with this if kerry actually has issue and has balls to do something about his issue with saudi

[Minstrel Boy]

9. "Hey, quit pickin' on us!" says Bandar Bush.

"George, can't our fa- I mean, your father do something?"

[peacetalksforall]

10. That took guts. But still leaves a dilemna -

Do we beieve the connection between the Bushes and the Saud family is limited to the Bushes? If not, then not having Bush in the WH won't make the alliance between the Saud family and the Bush cabal go away. Because the cabal is just not going to go away - they have an agenda for themselves and it involves the Saud family-Cabal-Israel. They are not going to give up their plan.

This is deep doo-da. I clapped when I heard this, but we the people don't even understand the alliance yet so what can be done to break the alliance and plan? Maybe Kerry understands. Maybe he knows.

Look what they did while the Bushes were out of office and for several decades before that - they kept planning and revising until they got to the point where they decided to take over the Middle East. If Kerry wins to they just stall it again?

[seabeyond]

13. so, if kerry isnt boght off what can he give

that the saudi are here but would behoove them to change policies

and actively going after alternative oil is pretty good

[peacetalksforall]

15. Yes, alternative energy is number one and Kerry appears sincere

about that.

But, I just don't think the Bush-Saud-Israel alliance is going to be reversed. Israel is not going away. The Saud family probably just won't dissolve their connections with the cabal.

The key is Saudi Arabia ownership=investments equal 17% of the U.S. financial picture, if that figure is accurate. Israel depends on (or still takes) our financial backing.

How can it evolve? The only answer is peace and treaties and the corporate world acknowledging that, eventually and sooner than later, they cannot own the people.

[TexasBushwhacker]

17. Actively developing alternatives TO oil is even better

IMHO, the Middle East is politically unstable, always has been and always will be. To be SO dependent on a product, any product, from that part of the world is just scary. There is no reason that we should be paying $2 a gallon for gasoline when Europe and other parts of the world pay $5 a gallon. We're oil junkies, and like a junkie, as long as there is a supply, we will keep using until it's the death of us. We have the technology to make alternative fuel vehicles right now. We don't very much because there isn't enough demand. There isn't enough demand because gasoline prices are relatively low. Maybe it's time we force the issue. Maybe the government needs to step in and put in a gradual tax to increase the cost of a gallon of gas. The taxes recovered could be used to pay for tax breaks for research and development of clean energy.

People that continue to drive cars that use regular gasoline rather than a cleaner fuel would be encouraged, by the higher gas prices, to cut down on their driving in some way (mass transit, car pooling, etc.). Car manufacturers, with more foreseeable demand for AFV's, would have move incentive to develop and produce them. Home builders would be encouraged to build more energy efficient homes and incorporate features like solar panels to produce at least some of the electricity that the home uses.

The combination of conservation and the use of clean energy could dramatically reduce our dependence on foreign oil and help us breathe cleaner air. Savvy big oil companies can get in the business of producing cleaner energy (BP is one of the biggest producers of SOLAR energy in the US) or they can GO BROKE!

[TexasBushwhacker]

14. Hours and hours?

If Moore's coverage of the connection between the Saudi family and the Bushes wasn't enough for you, then read "House of Bush, House of Saud" by Craig Unger.

[demgurl]

16. I think Kerry was not trying to be mean.

I think he wants Americans to know that our lives will not be in danger over lies and misrepresentations because of some friendship.

Think about it, most of the terrorists from 9/11 were Saudis. But because Bu$h is in bed with the Saudis, did you ever hear even a murmur that we would go over there after them? No.

A lawyer would never be allowed to be in a situation as that because of conflict of interest. And here Bu$h had all of these connections with Saudis and yet he is President of the US and he is supposed to protect our citizens. I think he went with the money! If he had really meant that he was going after anyone who harbored terrorists - we would have looked into the Saudis right off. But that would have ticked off the royal family and put some of Georgie's connections in jeopardy - possible even his money making schemes. It also would have ticked off Daddy who is making lots of money off of the royal family.

You can not say you will protect a country from terror and then ignore the place where all of the terrorists came from because they are your friends. That, my friends, is a conflict of interest.