My wife and I had the same terrible thought at the same moment last night

[Jackpine Radical]

as Kerry was working the crowd and making his way to the podium for his speech.

:tinfoilhat:

Bushco has significant reason to fear a Kerry victory because of the real wrongdoing they have committed in office. Would they be desperate enough to apply the Wellstone Solution? They may see themselves as having nothing to lose if it looks like Kerry is going to win. Whatever they do would be in late October, too late for the Dems to put up another candidate.

Maybe the "postpone-the-election" meme was a decoy, and they really wanted the reaction they got, a firm message from the American people that this would not be permitted under any circumstances (presumably not even if one of the candidates were to tragically die a few days before the election).

C'mon, everyone. Convince me my tinfoil hat is on too tight.

[Bettie]

1. I really hope your tinfoil hat is on too tight...

...because my husband and I had the very same thought last night.

Its really scary to believe that the opposition is so desperate to hold their power that they would do such a thing.

[prodigal_green]

2. Then it would be Edwards in a landslide

but I can't make any good argument against what you said. I'm a little worried too at this point.

[Salviati]

24. I agree...

I think if that were to happen, the should run Edwards/Clark and suckerpunch these criminals out of the White House...

[ObaMania]

43. Or Teresa in a landslide..

[never_get_over_it]

54. Not Teresa

she is not eligible you have to be born here to be President

[kwolf68]

3. Well

We could always call on the "Freedom Warriors" for protection.

These people are horribly scary yes...I am not willing to suggest these people would murder someone, evil though they are.

[AntiCoup2K4]

37. They have murdered a lot of people already, so they're quite capable

...But I don't think bumping off Kerry would be a good strategy for them. It would be so fucking obvious even the most brainwashed Busheep would begin to figure it out. Now, on the other hand, a few thousand more anonymous civilians in a "terrorist attack", that is far more likely to be accepted among the under 90 IQ set over in Freepland.

[ObaMania]

45. No... people ARE that cheneying brainwashed!

.. look at all the shit *Bushco has pulled so far!

If it was Clinton or anyone on his team, there'd be impeachments and perp-walks galore!

[hang a left]

4. I got a sick feeling in my stomach and a creepy thought as well

ala Bobby Kennedy.

[lapislzi]

47. Me, too...

I watched the Secret Service detail clearing the path and kept whispering to myself, "please no bullets, please no bullets."

I got the skeeves again when Kerry and Edwards were onstage together.

Note to self: vist hatter. Up mercury dosage...

[maxpower]

5. I've had the same thought

For a while now. Nothing these thugs could do would suprise me. I need a bigger tinfoil hat.

6. Ashcrost lost to a dead man

Bush would too if something like that happened.

I really wish people would stop this damn glass half empty mentality.
If they want to see a monster around every corner they will & they won't be that much different than the right wingers.

[Canuckistanian]

23. So that means Teresa Heinz-Kerry becomes President?

Hoo-boy. Pass the popcorn.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

26. Not possible, she wasn't born here

[Canuckistanian]

39. Hurry up, Orrin Hatch and pass the amendment

To allow non-US born citizens to become president!

[Cerridwen]

7. Damn, damn, damn, damn, damn

I hate when I hear other people expressing things I've tried to chase out of my mind. It means there's some of that energy flowing around out there.

I had similar thoughts but I was thinking as Kerry was walking through the aisle of people, of Bobby Kennedy's last minutes.

Damn, damn, damn, damn, damn.


Damn!

[nickinSTL]

8. scary

There's already been at least one thread on this today.

Some saying they thought of RFK when Kerry walked out on stage.

[havocmom]

9. My daughter voiced concern that outsourcing corporations will not give

up tax breaks without one hell of a fight. She too fears for the man leading the charge to take the country back from the greedy bastards who care only for $$ and not one bit for America.

But, we must go forward into the battle. The alternative is to put the chains of slavery on ourselves and our children.

And we must always have more in line who will carry our banner, lead our charges and NEVER NEVER let them beat us down.

[GR]

10. I Had The Same Thought...Imagined The Bang...

hopefully, I'm just a bit paranoid...

[Az_lefty]

11. Cheney is the kind of person who could actually dream up such a scenario

but I doubt this would happen. It would be too obvious and they would never get away with it. So, loosen up the tin foil, relax a little and get out the vote!

[glitch]

12. They may try it, but I don't believe it will help them

the whole damn world is already wise to them. Even Republicans are waking up to what Bushco really is.

[Kazak]

13. Do they really want to face Edwards/Dean?

;)

[Jackpine Radical]

28. It could be done a few days before the election so there is no time

to run anyone else.

[Plaid Adder]

14. Cheer up, JR. If they whack anyone,

it's gonna be W.

I had that thought this morning: they know there's no way they're winning with the Bush/Cheney ticket. They can't dump Cheney because the pawn cannot dump the king. They can't dump Bush either because nothing says "PARTY IN DISARRAY, DYSFUNCTIONAL TO THE CORE, SEND HELP" like taking the incumbent president off the ticket.

However, if Bush were to be whacked in some way that made it look terrorism-related, perhaps the sympathy vote would be enough to carry Cheney into office for another 4 years, where he would be twice as efficient at evildoing now that he no longer had to babysit W.

Do I think it's gonna happen? No, of course not. But I think that's just as likely as their whacking Kerry, which is to say, not very likely.

C'mon, JR, don't worry! Help is on the way!

C ya,

The Plaid Adder

[no name no slogan]

15. way too tight

First of all, there was no "Wellstone Solution". Credible investigators have said, REPEATEDLY, that the plane crash was accidental. There was no conspiracy or Black Helicopters out to kill Paul & Sheila-- but a bunch of bored conspiracy-theory buffs are hard to ignore after a while.

The only thing close to a "Wellstone Conspiracy" were the lies spun by the right-wing media and certain politicians about the memorial service days before the election. Now THAT was a big propaganda moment for the GOP...

[Jackpine Radical]

29. The Wellstone investigation report is about as credible

as the Warren Report.

[Eloriel]

33. Yeah, and one bullet killed Kennedy and wounded Connolly

C'mon, man, get with the program.

[Shopaholic]

16. You're not alone. . .

I was thinking the same thing--my Mom and I even talked about it!

[gasperc]

17. oh, be sure of it, they do not want to lose

they'll try to win at any cost, remember Florida, except this time the don't having the pent up energy to have the WH like in 2000 and the benfit of the doubt during the re-count.

[Norquist Nemesis]

18. Had the thought too, actually. Then I thought of Bush's armies

of enraged RW fanatics. They are running scared and are just as likely to help him out. Either way, I hope Kerry and Edwards are being fully protected. This is a scary, scary time. :scared:

[Canuckistanian]

19. It's not just the present scandals

It's all the stuff that is hidden. Once Kerry gets in, who knows what else he'll find.
I think that's what really scares them.

[Jackpine Radical]

31. I agree.

All the way back to Iran-Contra, and maybe all the way back to the JFK/RFK/MLK assassinations.

[Literate Tar Heel]

20. I had a similar thought about a month ago, but...

it was about the possibility of them whacking both Kerry and Edwards after they win in November but before they take office, which would seem to create some sort of Constitutional crisis (so far as I can tell ... I never got a quite satisfactory explanation on here when I posted about it) ... if so, I feel sure they'd find a way to keep one of their guys in office

[Jackpine Radical]

21. Yes, people, exactly.

RFK's last moments--that was what wife & I were thinking about.

She just started praying.

[Wind Dancer]

22. Well, the same conversation occurred in my

home last night too. I do not wear a tinfoil hat but far too many democratic politicians have died in my lifetime.

[LeFleur]

30. Murder vs. Dysfunctional Voting Machines

Come on, people. They don't have to go that far. The voting machines in Florida are already dysfunctional in tests. The machines are working exactly the way it was planned they would work.
We should be making a din concerning our voting rights, because that is where they nailed us before and that is what they intend to do again.

[Jackpine Radical]

35. Florida won't be enough.

There aren't enough BBV macjhines deployed across the contry to give it to them in the face of a popular landslide.

[Walt Starr]

25. Hmmmm, wonder what would happen if the dead guy beat Bush

It's a repeat of the Ashcroft scenario if that happens.

[Jackpine Radical]

27. Kerry is more dangerous to them than Edwards.

He knows all about the Iran-Contra skeletons.

My main comfort has been in realizing that by now Kerry has no illusions about his enemy.

And the Plaid Adder post made a lot of sense to me.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

32. No, in fact, I bet that Kerry's security has been augmented by people...

...who are not members of the Secret Service. At this point in time, they cannot be too careful.

[Wind Dancer]

38. I have worried about that too.

Given the history of the *'s, one can never let their guard down, ever.

[Beetwasher]

34. Kerry's Been Under Fire Before

Don't think he's not prepared. That "Band of Brothers" thing he keeps talking about, that's for real.

[Beam Me Up]

36. I think it is far bigger and far worse than that.

What you suggest could happen. But if MY tin foil hat is right (and I do hope it isn't) it could be that the real powers don't much care who is in office. THEIR agenda will go forward regardless -- even including the assasinations of the President and, if need be, the entire Congress -- all by the hands of those evil Terrorists.

See my thread 'Terrorist attack to trigger coup d'etat'
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=2112530&mesg_id=2112530

[mongo]

41. Bingo! The ONLY way for bush to win

Is to have a MAJOR - bigger than 9/11 in Calif. or in multiple blue states, which cancel the election or at least make it impossible to vote or count votes in urban areas.

There is no reason for terrorists to attack Kerry. LA, S.F., Chicago and NY would make better targets. Multiple attacks on 11/2 would make voting impossible in these cities.

And then the best line of all - "We tried to set up a system to ensure the election could be postponed in the event of a terrorist attack, but all you lefties accused us of trying to steal the election!" (Yeah, we played into their hands on this one)

No way W can win a fair election.

Black box voting won't help. Too many states wised up on this one.

Kill Kerry? Ashcroft ran against a dead guy and lost.

And yeah know what? More terrorist attacks and untold devastation will be GOOD for certain companies and sectors of our economy. Just like 9/11 and the war in Iraq. And a new excuse to remove any civil liberties that we might still have.

THIS IS MY GREATEST FEAR.

[info being]

40. It crossed my mind as well. The JFK solution.

The big question is this: is Kerry off on his own right now or is the establishment behind him? That speech last night was breakthrough...healthcare as a right, mention of corporate wellfare, etc...let's hope his Skull & Bones buddies have come to their senses and actually support this.

Otherwise, Kerry truly is a hero for putting his life on the line for his country.

[GliderGuider]

42. If I were a puppet master

If I saw my whole 30 year agenda being put at risk because my puppet couldn't do his lines and it was starting to look like Kerry would win, here's what I'd do.

I would NOT whack Kerry. Too obvious, and I'd still be left with *, whom a lot of people are now starting to hate and distrust. Instead, I would lay the sights on *, but after the job was done I would make sure there was a nice big hard-to-miss trail laid back to a group of whacked-out Dems (and if I couldn't find any, I'd make 'em up). Hey presto - Kerry's neutralized through association, and I get to pick a new, more palatable standard bearer for my hidden agenda.

Hmm, I hear helicopters...

[librechik]

44. sorry, can't hear you. My tinfoil hat is on too tight. n/t

[Cat Atomic]

46. They are not that smart.

C'mon guys- this is the same group that expected the anemic Bush amnesty plan to draw in hispanics and possibly hand California to Bush. It's the same group that came up with the trip to Mars. And WMD's. And flowers & candy. And the failed gay marriage wedge issue.

No, these guys may be power hungry but they're also arrogant, stupid, and tragically out of touch.

[Cleita]

52. They also have no compunction about destroying lives.

That has already been proven by them.

[bbodaies]

48. Jesus Christ on a popsicle stick....

Some of you need to chill...they're EVERYWHERE...lol.

You guys are giving the Reps WAAAAYYYYY too much credit. They'll lose and go home (or hit the lecture circuit) just like every other losing candidate in the past has.
They have medication for this type of paranoia, you know.

[Cleita]

49. I had the same thought. I posted it on another thread.

This administration has to be looking at their options and since they operate from the premise that the ends justify the means, I think the Kerry/Edward camp need to be on high security alert between now and the day Bush leaves the White House.

[lukasahero]

50. Similar thoughts but not quite the same

I'm surprised to see that others had the same fear when Kerry was walking down the aisle. I have never given this any thought but I did during those moments. I must however, hand in my tin foil hat because a) I don't believe in the "Wellstone solution" theory and b) I didn't think it would be a Repug conspiracy.

I do think there are enough wacko radical conservatives out there to try and take a shot at him though and that's what I feared as he walked the aisle last night.

[genius]

51. Certainly. Then the DNC would decide on some DLC person

[Sweet Freedom]

53. They could get rid of

every single Democratic politician in the world...

we could find a wood roach, call it a Democrat and still win the election.

ABB!!!

[BiggJawn]

55. You too?

My SO said "Gawd, that's risky, coming through the crowd like that..."

And I said
"I hope the fuck John Hinckly's not there...I hope Poppy really HAS retired from that line of work..."