"All the Christians are going to vote for Bush"

[bluestateguy]

I talked to my mother on the phone last night after John Kerry's speech. She was happy with the speech and told me that at her place of work in Arizona she overheard this one lady, who is known as a fundamentalist wacko, say that "all of the Christians are going to vote for Bush." Well, I said, I guess my mother is not a Christian since she's voting for Kerry. Then again, many of the fundamentalist wackos regard Catholics as somehow not Christian. I have even heard some fundies suggest that black churches are not "real Christian places of worship".

[Scorpious_Maximus]

1. It gets fuzzy

with some of them.


Scary when it all comes down to an invisible woman in the sky.

[CO Liberal]

2. To Me, Fundamentalist Christians Are Not Christians

They couldn't behave in a Christ-like manner if their lives depended on it.

[BayouBengal07]

3. Ive got a friend

who says Protestants aren't real Christians.

Its a crazy world out there. Full of Christians who never follow Jesus' teachings.

[Bluebear]

6. And many evangelicals say Catholics aren't Christian

Religion is what drove me from religion, I swear.

[Cleita]

27. That's funny considering that the Catholic Church was the only

western Christian Church until the Reformation. So if the people who more or less invented Christianity are not Christian, what does that make of the Johnny come latelys? This type of logic drives me crazy.

It was like a conversation I once had with the wife of a white supremist, whose Christian religion embraces neo-Nazism and Jew hatred. I mentioned to her after one of her tirades about Jews that Jesus was a Jew. She refused to believe me. I told her to go read the Bible. The Biblical lands are where Israel is today. She walked away and refused to speak to me again. I wasn't upset. :eyes:

[Claire Beth]

34. exactly!!! I feel the same way!!! n/t

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[Supormom]

21. Clapping after the choir sings makes you a nonChristian?

:shrug:

[yellowcanine]

32. "Protestants tend not to be real Christians." Nice. Who made you God?

You attended ONE Methodist service and you are judging their status as Christians based on the fact that the folks clapped after the choir sang? (Never mind the fact that this was ONE congregation of ONE Protestant denomination). Yeah that's right, Jesus did say no clapping after hymns, didn't he?

[amandabeech]

45. I'm a somewhat lapsed Methodist.

But clapping is news to me, not that I mind. There are times when I have felt like clapping after a particularly inspiring musical offering, but I've never seen it done.

There is a lot of variation among Methodist churches. I, for one, could not imagine darkening the door of a Methodist church in which * felt comfortable. I doubt that he'd like a congregation in which I would feel comfortable.

[AspenRose]

4. Um, this Christian isn't.

I doubt Jimmy Carter will either....

And this woman judging other places of worship based on ethnicity and politics is on a very slippery slope with the teachings of her Lord.

[atreides1]

11. "....teachings of her Lord."

I guess Lucifer can be referred to as "Lord", if that's how that woman really feels. ;)

By the way this Protestant Christian isn't voting for Bush.

[AspenRose]

14. You know how it goes..."by their fruits you shall know them"

O8)

[thecrow]

42. Me too! Count me in to vote for Kerry!

That means I am a Christian and voting for Kerry!
Therefore the woman mentioned is totally wrong on this point.
I think all Christians SHOULD vote for Kerry... his values are much higher than GWB's

[ck4829]

5. It's the Lemming er Bandwagon appeal

Get on the train, all good Christians must vote for Bush.

Just about every Christian I know, and Muslim, Jew, Atheist, and any other person I know will be voting against Bush or for Kerry. So, it won't work.

[Ladyhawk]

16. This county is rife with fundies.

And every single one I know is voting Shrub. I've about decided to give up on fundies.

[ck4829]

18. I say that because I don't personally know any Fundamentalists

Central Ohio does not seem to contain very many of them.

[leesa]

63. Ohio is a Fundie stronghold, you must be in a lucky spot!

Fundies are people with their brains turned permanently off!

[OnionPatch]

7. That's what they would like you to believe

But I know quite a few Christians and don't get this feeling from them. A couple of them really can't stand Bush and the rest are pretty suspicious of his motives. Even some who voted for him before are getting pretty fed up with him and starting to see his hypocracy. I only know one who is voting for Bush but she's always been what I would call a religious whacko.

[bobbieinok]

9. in OK, in 2000 and now, we hear constantly from religious right

churches: the republican party is moral and Christian and is the only party a Christian can vote for

in 92, some colleagues were talking; one asked 'how can anyone vote for the democrats/for Clinton?'

one of them pointed to me and said: 'ask her, she's a democrat.'

he turned to me with a face full of horrified disbelief and asked 'how can any Christian vote for someone who does not vigorously dissociate himself from homosexuals?' (this guy was totally and completely sincere......and has a Ph.D. in English lit)

[JHB]

10. However, I bet you won't see * at Bob Jones THIS time around...

n/t

[CrispyQ]

12. God, save me from your followers.

[Az_lefty]

13. Typical fundamentalist "holier than thou" thinking

I'm a Christian and your not. This is why I stopped going to S. Baptist churches.

[Canuckistanian]

33. "God told me to hate you"

-Betty Bowers, America's "Best Christian"

[whistle]

15. Well bless my soul, it is really heartwarming to know that real....

...Christians will be able to tell themselves apart from unreal Christians once November 2 comes. They will have the "mark" on their foreheads indicating that they voted for Bush (666). The rest of us will have "touch-screenitus" in our forefingers from repeated unsuccessful attempts of touching the Kerry/Edwards box on the screen that continuously switches to Bush/Cheney!:argh:

[noahmijo]

17. This Catholic ain't votin for Shrub or any other blatant anti-Catholic

politician.

REAL Christians are gonna vote for someone like Bush? please REAL Christians are out there giving their time to make the world a better place and to help uplift the have-nots.

[coloradodem2005]

19. THere seems to be a negative correllation.

between the amount one professes their Chrisitanity and how Christian they really are.

The more they profess their "Faith", the less faith they truly have.

[Technowitch]

20. Heard something similar on CSPAN

I think it was back on Tuesday, where some woman from the midwest called in to say that she spoke on behalf of the "real christians" -- and that she was angry that the Democrats were engaging in hate and lies against their president. And she basically said that all the "real christians" would vote for Bush.

Right around then, CSPAN mysteriously lost her call... I think it was no accident, as she was seriously wacko.

Trouble is, there's no shortage of these types.

I'm with the others: "God and Jesus, please protect me from your followers."

With my ID here, it should be obvious to which faith I myself ascribe...

[AntiCoup2K4]

29. "Right around then, CSPAN mysteriously lost her call... "

....The Lord works in mysterious ways :)

[knight_of_the_star]

51. So that would be her

And maybe her dog, but that would be voter fraud ;).

[supernova]

22. This christian isn't voting for *

so there.

Most fundies don't think anybody from anything other than their particular sect is a real xtian anyway.

[AntiCoup2K4]

23. This Christian has NEVER voted for anyone named Bush.

And I never will. Neither is my sister and she'd be considered a "bible thumper" by many people's standards.

[wicket]

24. This is one Christian who won't be

:D I don't consider the Fundamentalists to be true Christians, they are too filled with hate.

[merh]

25. Not this Christian!

;-)

[yellowcanine]

26. "We should not think God is on our side but hope we are on God's side" -

Kerry's use of that A. Lincoln quote was brilliant. I'll bet * nearly shit his pants when he heard it. (You know he is lying when he says he didn't watch the speech).

[Tight_rope]

30. Here! Here!...John Kerry for President of the United States of America!

I'm so tired of these God hogging people. I'm tired of God told me this and God told me that and God wants us to do this and God wants us to do that.

[AspenRose]

28. Well, it looks like the Kerry speech nailed this GOP M.O. on the head

They should be worried if they are on God's side, not if God is on THEIR side....a la Abe Lincoln (REPUBLICAN) and Kerry.

[drdtroit]

31. When I meet people that think like this I ask them,

"you know the bible well, don't you?",

they agree and then I say

"Who is the only one who has a right to vengeance?"

Then after the answer "the Lord", I then ask them

"How can you honestly and morally call a man who executed over a 130 people as governor and is respondsible for 30-35,000 deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan as (p)resident a Christian?".

[AspenRose]

35. "Live by the sword, die by the sword"

Ask them also how well do they think they understand Matthew 26:52 and how they can justify Iraq.

[The Doctor.]

36. Little Worlds

That's the thing I love most about the truly small-minded, they believe everyone agrees with them because there is no other view that makes sense to them. They arrive at this conclusion because it is far easier to conclude than it is to contemplate. They cannot believe that anyone would disagree with them because they believe they know it all- I love that. How could someone disagree with you unless they simply didn't understand the issues as well as you do? They feel pity for those that don't agree with them because they know so much more. (Pity is easier than actual research.)
This 'Christian' woman believes that all Christians will vote for Shrub because she is certain that all Christians must agree with her. She will vote for Shrub because she has swallowed the load that he is a 'Good Christian Man' without every paying heed to those 'vicious rumors' about his drug habits, philandering, incompetent business ventures, alcoholism, bad temper, foul language, lack of decorum, etc.
She believes that no Christian would give credit to any of these things. Yet she goes to church, pays her dues, spreads gossip about other 'Christians'(lucky guess), has a remarkable intolerance for anyone who disagrees with her, openly criticises the lifestyles and habits of others, and undoubtedly knows Exactly why "this" type of person or "that" type of person is directly responsible for the moral decay of this country.
I love speaking to people like her- I can stay a step ahead the whole conversation and usually get them to think. ( A most unpleasant 20 seconds for them. )
It is sad that this 'Administration' depends on people's ignorance to win an election. There are so few thinking conservatives out there right now - I should know... I'm a Republican with no intention of voting for this creep who stole the White House in 2000.
If he 'wins' again it will probably be with a few well-timed tricks up his sleeve. If my fellow countrymen are fooled this time around... I'm leaving the country.

[DemBones DemBones]

37. Not this (Roman Catholic) Christian.

Of course, as you noted, many fundies don't think Catholics are Christians. They also tend to believe a lot of strange things such as "Catholics aren't allowed to read the Bible."

[eaprez]

38. I'm not voting for him either!

and I'm a christian. I don't understand why these people can't comprehend the separation of church and state and that the opposition is to them imposing their religious values on others not for what they believe.

[eaprez]

39. So "all christians" are voting for a known liar?

I guess they can forget those 10 commandments they are wanting to plaster all over the place long enough to vote. Self righteous hypocrites!

[Lerkfish]

40. Im a christian, voting for Kerry...

I think the religious right think they are the only ones allowed to consider themselves christian...but to me, Christ was the ultimate liberal.

If you follow CHRISTS teachings faithfully, I don't see how you can also support preemptive war....IMHO

[scarlet_owl]

41. Not this Christian.

Nor are any of the other Christians in my household.

[GreenPartyVoter]

43. THIS Christian is checking off the box by Kerry's name

Would Jesus love a liberal? You bet!
http://www.geocities.com/greenpartyvoter/liberalchristians.htm

[onenote]

44. what about LDS?

Back in early June I was on a vacation and got to talking with a couple that were on the same trip. They are Mormons from Arizona. When they found out I lived in the DC area and was involved in legislative and regulatory matters, they asked me who I was going to vote for. I told them I was going to vote for Kerry because I didn't think the country could afford four more years of Bush and his crowd. They said that they felt that when it came to Supreme Court appointees and "values", that they probably were closer to Bush than to Kerry. But...they said that they couldn't see voting for Bush again. They felt he wasn't competent to run the country and that his "team" was more interested in scoring short term political points than in coming up with long term solutions to the country's problems. They also had come to the realization that the war was a big mistake, and since they have five sons between the ages of 13 and 19, they were very concerned about what Bush might get us into next.

I was amazed, albeit pleasantly so. If a conservative LDS family is going with Kerry over Bush (and this was before the convention!) there definitely is something going on out there that the media at large hasn't fully grasped.

onenote

[NightTrain]

46. Correction: Every wacko fundamentalist bigot will vote for Bush.

I know a lot of people who consider themselves Christians. I consider them Christians too, in that they don't thump the Bible, they live it.

Guess who they all plan to vote for on November 2nd? :kick:

[redstateblues]

47. If I Don't Handle Copperheads Am I A True Christian?

[w4rma]

48. I'm a Christian and neither myself or most of the Christians I know will

be voting for Bush. Most of us will be voting Sen. Kerry.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

49. This Christian and probably 90% of the people

in my large parish will be voting for Kerry.

[Renew Deal]

50. Christian here

Not voting for Bush :hi:

[Cybergata]

52. The other day I read...

that there were now more Catholics in the U.S. than Protestants. So if, according to the fundies, Catholics aren't Christian, then there aren't going to be too many votes for the twig. Sound good to me.

[Swamp Rat]

53. There's one ONE cure for fundies: a frontal lobotomy.

I've met quite a few fundies in rural Louisiana - these people are NUTS! I don't even bother anymore with those knuckle-draggers except to tell them "fuck off! Go ahead and vote for "the Beast who commits murder, genocide, torture and raping children."

Bush is the Anti-Christ!
http://66.135.33.70/bushisantichrist.com/
http://bushrevealed.com/

[vetwife]

54. Uhhhhhhh No ! We are not !

[George_Bonanza]

55. Falwellist Christianity does not deserve to associate itself with Jesus

[newyawker99]

56. Another Christian who will be voting for Kerry.

:hi:

[spooked]

57. Curious that it was an exchange about Catholics that set Cheney off!

"During their exchange, Leahy noted that Republicans had accused Democrats of being anti-Catholic because they are opposed to some of President Bush’s anti-abortion judges, the aides said. That’s when Cheney unloaded with the “F-bomb,” aides said."

http://www.dosmundos.com/editions/Vol24-07-22/editorial/editorialeng.htm

Curious, isn't it, that Cheney wasn't swearing during the heated discussion on Halliburton, but only when the anti-Catholic charge was mentioned...

"According to congressional aides, Leahy said hello to Cheney following the taking of the Senate group photo on the floor of the chamber. Cheney who is president of the Senate, then ripped into Leahy for the Democratic senator’s criticism of alleged war profiteering in Iraq by Halliburton, the oil services company that Cheney once ran. Leahy and other Democrats have called for congressional hearings into whether the vice president helped the firm win lucrative contracts in Iraq after the U.S.-led war that toppled Saddam Hussein."

[greekspeak]

58. It all boils down to how one defines "Christian"

To your mother's fundamentalist wack-job co-worker, only hate mongering wack-jobs like her are "Christians." So in essence the woman is correct...all "Christians (read fundamentalist wack-jobs)" are probably going to vote for Shrub."

On a side note, these same wack-jobs gripe about moral relativism. In fact, they are a prime example of moral relativism..."I am fully right, you are fully wrong, because you do not believe what I believe."

[Zynx]

59. I'm a Catholic(which is a Christian) and I am voting for Kerry.

No crazy old lady will tell me how to vote.

[NicRic]

60. Wake up "Christians" bush's actions are not......

what Jesus would do. After alomost four full years of bush ,the claim that he is a good Christian , is so ridiculous it would alomst be funny ,except young Americans and inocent civilians are dying everyday ,cause bush chose to invade Iraq. Now is this what Jesus would do !

[spooked]

61. I thought of a great protest idea...

Someone could dress up like Jesus, with a crown of thorns, and carry a small cross with a sign on it.

The poster would have photos of Abu Ghraib abuse and murdered Iraqis...
The words on the poster would read: THIS IS NOT WHAT I WOULD DO

Anyone in NYC have a Jesus Costume?

[leesa]

62. Fundies reject anyone who is not their clone.

They think the Pope is the antichrist and the Pope thinks Bush is the antichrist.

[JVS]

64. This Lutheran won't vote for Bush

Neither will any of the Lutherans in my family, except for uncle Bob who listened to too much Rush out in his tractor. Pastor also criticized the war and the administration, and we all look forward to one of our members whose been in Iraq for the last year and some finally coming home.