Ralph Nader to Kerry, "Call of your Dogs".

[ClintonTyree]

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20040730/pl_nm/campaign_nader_dc_1

I swear I'm going to throttle Nader if I can get my hands on him. He is being such an egotisic asshole. He "has no proof they're doing anything illegal"..............SO SHUT THE F%&K UP!

I once admired this man, now I loathe him.

[stevedeshazer]

1. Is this like "Call of the Wild?" n/t

[wyldwolf]

2. wyldwolf to Ralph Nader, "Kiss my ASS!"

[ronnykmarshall]

32. rkm to Nader, "Kiss my ENTIRE ASS!"

[wyldwolf]

37. sorry. my ass is BIGGER!

[eaprez]

3. This isn't about ownership of voters....its about

...whats best for the country.

[gratuitous]

4. Had enough, Ralphie boy?

You wanted to play in the political big leagues. Don't tell me that you want to go back to playing beanbag. Park your ego and get out of the running. This year is far too important and the country's in too much trouble to screw around with the likes of you.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

5. LOL but Naderites claim we are crybabies when invoking "his whininess"

Though Nader conceded that he had "no knowledge" of any illegal activities by Democrats, he said efforts to keep him and running mate Peter Camejo (news - web sites) off ballots were "unethical and inappropriate."

So is being funded by Repubs and pretending you are a grass roots movement you lying sack of dog shit.

Uh...Ralphie...is it our job to get your sorry ass on the ballot so you can throw it to Bush? Fuck you.

[mermaid]

9. Fuck You, Ralph!!

I love it! My sentiments exactly!

not only are we supposed to help him get on the ballot so he can be a stick in our spokes, fuck us over and give us Bush for four more years...we're ALSO supposed to let him...A FUCKING OPPONENT speakk at OUR convention!

What a narcissitic, assholic son of a bitch.

Nader, go fuck yourself!! You are a worthless bag of shit, and I can't wait till the day you are no longer breathing!!

[Pachamama]

13. FUCheney Ralph....I second that motion...I even voted for him in 2000

and don't make any apologies for that...but he has gone too far and is a narcissistic a-hole....

I just saw him on MSNBC whining and I said the very same thing...

:grr:

[Booster]

49. And he doesn't seem to really have anything to say

so it has to be just to be in the limelight. I once idolized the man, but now I think he's egotistically insane. I'm truly hoping he bows out just before the election, but if his timing if off, people will still write him in.

[no name no slogan]

6. As much as I dislike Nader this year, it would not suprise me one bit

especially after the treatment the members of my state's Kucinich delegation got at the DNC.

Besides being harrassed because of their "un-approved" signs, they were also browbeat into voting for Kerry with more lies and false promises from the party bigwigs.

I really don't like Nader running, but it is his right to do so. HOWEVER, I do NOT approve of Democrats taking the low road to get him. Every time they attack him on anything but the issues (officially or unofficially), they just generate more sympathy for him. That is NOT the way to win over skeptics, or swing voters who feel that Nader has every right to be in the race.

But apparently, the Dems are so afraid of EVERYTHING this year that they'll resort to Nixonian tactics to stifle all dissent. Truly, truly sad to see how far this party has fallen.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

11. Even sadder to see how far the left has fallen in terms of reason and

addition.

BTW..looks to me like they got what they wanted...they just decided they wanted more after they got what they asked for....

[no name no slogan]

46. Um, no they did not

What they got was a war-friendly speech that said that peace was only possible "through strength" and more militarism.

We even fought like hell at the platform meetings to at least get a statement in the platform to call the Iraq War a mistake, and even THAT was not included (surely Kerry/Edwards aren't afraid to call the Iraq war a mistake, right?).

Certain delegates (who are also officers of the party in MN, btw) felt pressure to vote Kerry on the first ballot, and were even told that a vote for Kucinich would only count as "present" when the vote was taken.

They did NOT get what they asked for, nor have we for much of this process, even though we had a very sizable contingent at our state convention. We have been ignored, threatened, shunned, and treated like lepers despite our best efforts to "get along" and "go along", simply because we want ACCESS to the process, and want to help defeat Bush.

With friends like these, it's no suprises we're not afraid of our "enemies". :eyes:

[ClintonTyree]

15. Soooooooo..................

you'd rather see St. Ralph make his fruitless point and in the process suffer four more years of the deranged Mr. Bush in the White House?
Ralph made his point on 2000. His spoint being that he really DOESN'T care about the environment etc. that he says he does?

[ibegurpard]

23. Not at all

What he is saying, if you would take off the blinders for a moment to hear it, is that heavy-handed tactics like this serve only to piss off the people who are attracted to Nader for whatever reason. If you are worried about them voting for Nader, pissing them off doesn't help.

[ClintonTyree]

27. The people..........

who are going to vote for this numbskull can't be reached anyway, there is no point whatsoever to even try courting these people. They're the ones with the blinders on.

[no name no slogan]

45. Thank you, ibegurpard

THAT is EXACTLY what I'm saying.

Why do Democrats feel the need to stoop to Nixonian levels to "neutralize" the Nader effect? Are they really that afraid of him, or are they really that insecure about their candidate selection this year that an unemployed lawyer from D.C. really poses that big a threat?

Face it: most Nader 2000 voters are voting for Kerry. As are almost all Gore 2000 voters. That roughly gives Kerry 51%+ of the vote. Yet instead of accentuating the positives of Kerry/Edwards (of which there are many), they instead choose to focus their energy and attention on a statistical asterisk, who wouldn't be getting ANY press if it weren't for the overly zealous DNC "truth squads".

Nader-haters, the more you trash-talk Nader, the bigger he'll grow. Do it enough, and he may actually BECOME the problem you imagine him to be.

[BiggJawn]

31. Didn't Dennis ask his delegates to vote for Kerry?

Obviously I'm mistaken, but I thought I heard a soundbite of him giving his delgates to John...

But what do I know? I'm just a cog in the Corporatist Machine...

[redqueen]

34. I think he told them to feel free to vote their consciences

IIRC he did encourage them to support Kerry... but I'm not sure.

[BiggJawn]

40. Well, if he told them to "vote their consciences"..

And they stuck by him, I support that. those kind of delegates anyone'd love to have...

It's wasn't like Kerry needed EVERY delegate in the house, was it?

[no name no slogan]

43. Exactly right

He told the delegates that he was releasing them, but that they should "vote their conscience" when the vote was to be tallied.

Unfortunately, some of the party leaders and higher-ups were STILL using strong-arm tactics against some of the hold-out Kucinich delegates. There were a couple of stories in the local Minneapolis paper about how some of the delegates felt intimidated to vote for Kerry on the first ballot, and other delegates were told that, since Kucinich was not going to be formally nominated, their votes "didn't count" and would only show up as "present", instead of as a vote for DK.

It could have been miscommunication (as the party brass claims), but this kind of behavior has gone on before from some of the party leaders-- either on purpose or inadvertantly-- so I hesitate to rule it out as only miscommunication.

Either way, the DK delegates have all pledged to support Kerry in one way or another this fall. So the party will have their votes, even though there's not even a token mention of peace in the platform, and Kerry does not yet have even the makings of plan to get us out of Iraq. Helluva deal, huh?

[eridani]

47. He did, three times in conference calls, but they said no

He admitted they were saying his words back to him, and told them to vote their consciences.

[havocmom]

7. Reality to Ralph: get help! Seriously, Ralph, get help

and maybe some supervision. You are very close to being a danger to yourself and others.

[redqueen]

8. Me to Nader - SHOVE IT! n/t

[VOX]

10. Ralph, it's over. Go home. Go home before you undo your entire legacy.

You're in serious danger of fu**ing up all the good you've done in the past decades.

As it stands now, very few people have any respect left for you at all.

[sundog]

12. Darth Nader -- that's his name as far as I'm concerned

--

[mermaid]

19. I Like It!!

Darth Nader he shall be in my books from now on!!

FUCK YOU, RALPH!!

[sundog]

30. It about sums it all up don't cha think --

of course there's always Ralph Vader, but I think Darth Nader has a more appropriate ring -- sold his soul to the dark side

[checks-n-balances]

38. Yep - Darth Nader, trying to ladle out the Nader-Ade after he's had

the biggest dose of all. Not only does he fail as champion of the rights of third parties and their candidates, he's doing his part to carry out the GOP's wishes for a complete one-party state.

If he's not a walking oxymoron who gets off playing head games with his own version of Bushspeak (Naderspeak), I don't know who is.

How anyone can still respect this sorry SOB is beyond me.

[noahmijo]

14. FUCK YOU

Tell "Payder" he's gettin what he deserves

[Hubert Flottz]

16. Stop Picking on Wv Ralph, you wimp!

Come on down here and ask for the votes yourself! Your Repub moles out collecting the signatures here, are harassing the shoppers! It happened to my wife! The guy was a total ass! The man tried to force my wife and another lady to sign his stupid paper! When I went back over there to the store where it happened, the guy was GONE! He was lucky! I would have shown the bastid how to, "Shove It!" Ralpie, your boyz are out picking on little old ladies!

Edit} Ralph you're a made man in the Texas Mafia! Get OVER It Ralph!

[greekspeak]

17. A plan for Nader

Cheney is weighing down the Puke ticket this year. Why not kick him off and put Ralphie Boy on! <sarcasm on> Clearly, there are so many Republicans funding Ralphie Boy they really, truly feel that he is their man <sarcasm off>. The Puke love fest could just rally around their favorite 3rd party candidate, Ralphie could get his lust for power satisfied, and the boulder that is Cheney could be cut from its weighing effect on the ticket. Sounds like WIN WIN WIN for the Pukes.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

18. Poor Nader....absolutely delusional.

[returnable]

20. Nader: Unsafe on Any Ballot

Eat it, Ralph.

[mermaid]

21. Get It Through Your Fat Head, Ralph!!

We fucking HATE you!! You suck!!
GO FUCK YOURSELF, RALPH!!
Choke on a pretzel, already, will you, please?!?!

[LoZoccolo]

22. I like how he blames Senator Kerry's campaign here.

Those dirty tricks, he said, included Democratic operatives "directly harassing" his signature gatherers in West Virginia and filing legal challenges to his candidacy in Arizona that he could not afford to fight in court.

They were probably just normal people who don't like him running and came across these petitioners. Why can't this guy figure out that most actual normal people who are left of center might actually object to him for real reasons?

[5thGenDemocrat]

24. Saint Ralph is a liar and a phony and always has been

He was paid up front to write his expose "Unsafe at Any Speed." His publisher wanted a book critical of General Motors and that's exactly what Nader the Prevaricator gave him for his thirty pieces of silver.
Truth is, GM had figured out what the problem was with the Corvair and had fixed it by the time the book ever came out. The cars on the Chevy dealers' lots were perfectly safe -- but Nader's half-truths and fudging and heaping mounds of BS caused a lot of people here in Saginaw and other GM towns to lose their jobs when the car was cancelled in the face of weak sales caused by his lies.
Nader is a fraud and a charlatan. He has never, ever done anything that wasn't, finally, for the glory of Nader. He treats his "Raiders" like crap, he owns stocks in many of the same companies he claims to be fighting and America, finally, would be no better or worse off had he never appeared on the scene.
That's my opinion. I know (believe me) that he has his supporters here -- however misguided. But I'm hoping Ralph soon writes another book -- this one exposing the dangers of taking long walks off short piers.
John
Nader is a paid-for tool of the Republicans and that's all he is. He doesn't have the guts to come to Saginaw.

[Hubert Flottz]

29. Ralph is Pie Shy!

He don't have the nads to go anywhere, because of his Piephobia! We helped sell all those VWs that had the same problem the old Corvairs had! RALPH Helped the NAZIS!

[kentuck]

25. If you can't run with the big dogs, keep your skinny butt on the porch....

Or..if you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen. Once you declare yourself an opponent of someone, what type of treatment do you expect? If you want to play that game, Democrats are not going to roll over. I have always liked Ralph Nader but this whining seems a little over the top to me...

[DS1]

26. I'd eat Nader myself if I could.

:hurts:

[Zynx]

28. I wish Nader would just shut up. He only helps Bush, but he is too egotist

ical to realize that.

[Pachamama]

33. I must have missed the Memo from the Kerry Campaign-but I've been

challenging and telling Nader and his ballot collectors to go Cheney themselves all on my own perogative....funny, no one told me to go after and question Nader, certainly nobody in the Kerry campaign...

Hey Ralph - get over it....your an a-hole and its me telling you that, not the Kerry campaign....me, a voter who voted for you in 2000. Me, a person who once respected you for your past work, but has lost all respect in the last months watching too much of your rantings on FAUX news and hearing about your happily accepting help from Repukes to collect signatures and then whining about the Democratic Party....I came to that decision all on my own...as well as anybody I know here in the Bay Area who actually voted for you and supported you in the past - btw - that holds true for my family in Oregon and Florida who voted in 2000 for you. Here is one big collective FUCheney Ralph to you....good riddance....

:grr:

[BiggJawn]

35. "you're trying to take my ship from me...That's what you're doing..."

"Though Nader conceded that he had "no knowledge" of any illegal activities by Democrats, he said efforts to keep him and running mate Peter Camejo (news - web sites) off ballots were "unethical and inappropriate." ..."

got no PROOF, but there's SOMETHING going on, because I'm not getting on the ballot...is THAT how you figger it, Ralphie?

Go take your Capt. Queeg act and SHOVE IT!

[sablescort]

36. Ralphie....Get in your cheneying

Nader is really UNSAFE at any voting booth!

[George_Bonanza]

39. Dean said it best, and I love him for it

He said about how Nadir takes money from Republicans knowingly, and that neither he, nor Kerry, nor any of the Democratic presidential candidates would ever ever ever have done that.

[JohnKleeb]

42. good on Dean for saying that

totally dead on point.

[Tight_rope]

41. Fuck Nader...he's a scum bad!

Selfish bastard!

[DemWitch]

44. so Ralphie pissed...

He screwed up the Arizona balloting campaign on his own, even admitted it, and then pisses and moans because it's Kerry's fault. Then he's caught with false petitions, then he's accepting money from RightWingNuts... sounds like a guy with convictions...

Ralph... go back to doing what you do best... making sure my airbags go off, my crumple zones work, my paint is lead free and get the hell outta politics.

[Walt Starr]

48. Walt Starr to Nader, "Eat shit and bark at the fucking moon you

egomaniacl asshole!"