There are 874 Books on the FBI Watch List

[spooked]

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/07/293488.shtml

"In yet another defeat for US citizens concerned about the loss of their civil rights and liberties under the Patriot Acts, the House voted on July 8th to reaffirm HR-4754 of the Patriot One Act."

"Did you know that there are 874 titles now on the FBI's so-called Watch List under this amendment - and none of those books have anything to do with how to construct a bomb, or how to blow anything up, or how to sabotage anything? They are books which explain your constitutional rights and liberties, your rights under the Bill of Rights as a US citizen, expose the misdeeds of the Bushonian Cabal. and also books that explain certain court precedents in the past, or certain fictional books that reveal so-called classified information regarding illegal covert activities of the US government in the past."

This is unbelievable! I have not been able to find the actual list anywhere on the Net.

[NYC]

1. I'm looking for the list.

Meanwhile, see this link:

http://www.librarian.net/technicality.html

[hang a left]

23. I have sent an email requesting the list of booked deemed to be

seditious by the federal government. I am not sure how or if they will respond. But I am hoping to get some type of information.

[spooked]

25. We should know which books we shouldn't be

reading, right? I mean, would a parent sit around and watch their child reading a book that they did not approve of, and tell them so only AFTER they had read it?!




<sarcasm off>

[tritsofme]

2. Got tin foil?

If there is something like this, some guy on the internet isn't going to know about it.

[DNA]

3. Some of it is classified

but we know it contains the Farmer's Almanac and a biography of Thomas Jefferson.

[Cleita]

5. Farrner's Almanac?

What's subversive about the Farmer's Almanac?

[spooked]

15. The Farmer's Almanac predicts when the weather will be perfect...

for flying airplanes into buildings, and hijacking a cropduster.

[Cleita]

17. So I guess all my friends and I out here in the boonies,

who use it for planning our gardens and field plantings, are going to be suspect?

[Elidor]

4. I'd like to read every one of those books

Fuck the FBI

[RebelYell]

6. This is what I found, not much

http://www.lisnews.com/article.pl?sid=04/07/27/066212

Since I heard about the FBI going to libraries, I started paying cash at the book stores for my books. I don't use a credit card, debit card or check, I pay cash. The Dalton book store manager told me she would order any book I wanted. She said she didn't take names or phone numbers, but rather told the person requesting the book to call her to see if it had arrived. She also told me to pay in cash.

[Eric J in MN]

7. Prove it. If there is a watchlist of 874 books, prove it (nt)

nt

[DBoon]

8. If it is real, cryptome should post it

or some other reputable open-government site

[walldude]

18. It's not that hard to believe

try typing Banned Books into Google and take a look at the list of books that are and have been in the past banned by the government.

[LittleApple81]

9. I found this and if you read the snipped part it sounds pretty OMINOUS

http://www.lisnews.com/articles/04/07/27/066212.shtml?tid=11

snip... (explanation about the list snipped)

Here's Martin's site, which has biographical information on him - he's a turncoat from the Republicans, and has worked for the feds as well as a stock broker, and he's not a kook, from what I can tell, and his newsletter are very information-rich:
http://www.almartinraw.com/
It seems he's gotten somebody in the government very angry, as he says today, "Readers should be advised that the Al Martin Raw general counsel has received a communication from the Department of Justice informing us that the secret National Security Court, contained within the rotted bowels of the Department of Justice, has determined that certain contents of the Al Martin Raw.com website is in violation of Statute 432 of the National Security Acts of 1949-50; and that, in fact, the Department of Justice was undertaking action to block access to AlMartinRaw.com on publicly owned computer terminals." These acts have to do with "sedition." He adds, "This came to my attention, not only by notification from the Department of Justice, but in my weekly radio show with Tony Trupiano, wherein one of my subscribers, a professor at the University of California in Berkeley, informed me that this campus was blocking access to Al Martin Raw.com. I have subsequently become aware that this blocking is system-wide within the University of California, since another subscriber at UC Irvine has also confirmed this fact." "Publically-owned" of course, means libraries.

Very strange; there's no porn or anybody's credit card numbers on his site, yet they block him. Things are getting stranger and stranger…"

[proud patriot]

10. I wonder if the Constitution is on that list

I've purchased about 20 of them since bush was selected.
I've given them out as gifts .

[realisticphish]

11. the members of my school's

ACLU, College Dems, and some womens groups are organizing a protest at our public library; we're all going to wear shirts that say "am i a terrorist?" and check out every possible book that the FBI would find suspicious...might prove interesting...

:hippie: The Incorrigible Democrat

[Mel]

12. I have a feeling I've already read more than

one the books on that list and you know what I'm damn proud of it!

I am so over this pack of fascists they can take their fascism and "shove it!"

As Dennis Kucinich said, "Courage America!" "Courage America!"

Let's see if we can name some of the authors of those books

I'll start it off:

Gore Vidal
Noam Chomsky
Richard Clarke
Ron Suskind
Abbie Hoffman-course that may be to old school for them, ya think?

[LittleApple81]

13. What happens if you already have them? Will you have to declare them

in a special form so they can come and burn them like in Fahrenheit 451?

[spooked]

19. I think it's all of the recent anti-Bush books

Martine wrote: "...expose the misdeeds of the Bushonian Cabal"

So it might not be so much the classic authors you named, but the REALLY GOOD recent bestsellers...authors like:

Richard Clarke AGAINST ALL ENEMIES
John Dean WORSE THAN WATERGATE
Ron Suskin THE PRICE OF LOYALTY
Craig Unger HOUSE OF BUSH, HOUSE OF SAUD
David Corn THE LIES OF GEORGE W BUSH


So, the list might be reaching 1000 soon with all the anti-Bush books being published. Maybe it's at 912 as we speak.

http://icasualties.org/oif/

[papau]

14. FREE SPEECH TV - FSTV - has a 30 minute video on Patriot Act that

Al Martin may be refering to (he does refer to FSTV - but there is no "watch list" on their site).

http://www.freespeech.org/fsitv/fscm2/videoviewer.php?video_id=873&search_text=patriot&searchmode=&page=0&content_type_id=

[Dem_4_Life]

16. They are invading the libraries here...

My mother works at one of the libraries here in TX and she said someone from the FBI came into the library and told the head librarian they need a list of names of everyone who uses the Internet computers. She told them "no" and that every night they throw away the names (which is true) besides all they record is the first names anyway told hold someone's place in line. So now she has instructed everyone in the library at night to shred the name lists.

[spooked]

24. "Big John Wants Your Reading List"

Big John Wants Your Reading List
by Nat Hentoff

http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0209/hentoff.php

"...the FBI, armed with a warrant or subpoena from the FISA court, can demand from bookstores and libraries the names of books bought or borrowed by anyone suspected of involvement in "international terrorism" or "clandestine activities...

Once that information is requested by the FBI, a gag order is automatically imposed, prohibiting the bookstore owners or librarians from disclosing to any other person the fact that they have received an order to produce documents.

...under this provision of the USA Patriot Act, how does one track what's going on? How many bookstores and libraries will have their records seized? Are any of them bookstores or libraries that you frequent?"

"What makes this so chilling is that there is no input into the process." First there is the secrecy in which the subpoenas are obtained—with only the FBI present in court. Then then there is the gag order commanding the persons receiving the subpoenas to remain silent."

Chilling Indeed!

[depakid]

20. Do you suppose they have guys like Redford in 3 Days

of the Condor, who get paid to sit around and read books all the time and look for clues about suspicious intelligence activities?

I want that job!

[truth2power]

21. Hmmm...

Guess the copy of "Farewell America" I borrowed from the library will be on that list. About US Govt. operatives who perpetrated the assassination of JFK.

Geez! I'm so sick of this stupid shit...

Ashcroft? Kiss my ass!!

[spooked]

22. The Book They REALLY didn't want anyone to read...

http://www.lovearth.net/fortunateson.htm

[slutticus]

26. Are Fahrenheit 451 and 1984 on that list?

I bet they are.

[BlueCollar]

27. the list

should be published if it is located.

I'm curious as to what kind of books could be seditious.