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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-03 08:49 PM
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Black Box: A word about where your research is going
Edited on Thu Aug-21-03 08:52 PM by BevHarris
DUers -- just so you know: Reporters are looking at your research right now on "The Money Trail" and "The SAIC" --

To facilitate the information, yet help reporters break their own stories, we have set up some private forums at BlackBoxVoting.org that are only visible to those with the passwords. When reporters are working on sensitive stories, we give them the passkey to a private forum with research links that match their story angle which they can cull through.

Sometimes, as happened today, there is a breaking story and we invite a couple crack researchers in to contribute material at the same time as a reporter is working the story. (There was a very enlightening private thread today on a story that will break -- in a small way -- tomorrow).

This was the best way I could think of, thanks to DemActivist's skills, to make Black Box and DU research available to reporters who want to break a story in some privacy. This is also the first time I've really felt we got the research connected in a powerful way with working investigative reporters.

As we get the kinks out of this, we may be able to have a very active research support group for the few investigative reporters in the mainstream media who are showing the balls to write the truth.

Thanks, and you are making a tremendous contribution.

Bev Harris
http://www.blackboxvoting.org
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GOPFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-03 08:57 PM
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1. Maryland is certain Diebold voting machines are secure
Just a few days ago I read where the state of Maryland claims the Johns Hopkins study was flawed because it was based on erroneous information. WTF? What's going on in MD?
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-03 09:47 PM
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7. Not exactly. The state of Maryland is having an investigation
Okay, probably more a whitewash than an investigation, but the governor ordered it. Unfortunately they chose SAIC, but that's another story.

It is local election officials who are saying the study is flawed. Note that they are not computer programmers and don't know diddly about the conclusions in the report. They do, however, spout talking points well.

We'll see about Maryland. Got a big challenge coming up with SAIC, and another big challenge I'll tell you about tomorrow. These guys have so much money they hardly know where to start spending it -- all to save the $15 it would cost to put paper in the printer THAT IS ALREADY BUILT INTO THE MACHINES!

Bev

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harrison Donating Member (916 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-03 08:57 PM
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2. YOU are making a tremendous contribution. Keep going!**
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sybylla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-03 08:58 PM
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3. No - Thank you!
Great job as always, Bev. Thanks for keeping us posted and for facilitating this in a way that no one else has dared. :toast:
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ibegurpard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-03 09:11 PM
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4. I cannot tell you how much glee it gives me
to see some vindication for you and others who have been spearheading this effort. After all the trashing and conspiracy-theory labelling it is great to see.
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angka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-03 09:14 PM
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5. agreed!
now i'm scampering back to my self-imposed du lounge exile. bev's got enough defenders without me smarming into it.

:)

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Fredda Weinberg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-03 09:56 PM
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8. Vindication?
Not for this PR debacle. Good luck next time.
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-03 10:14 PM
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9. My favourite DUer....
Dear Fredda,

What PR debacle?
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ibegurpard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-03 10:35 PM
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10. Debacle? How?
Several states are rethinking their potential commitments to buy this equipment. Several others are raising questions and calling for investigations into the equipment (although I doubt the sincerity). While it's not front page and wall to wall on CNN, i would hardly call that a debacle.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-03 11:38 PM
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13. A public relations debacle would raise even more voting fraud questions.
So in the words of the Chimperor, "Bring 'em on".
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Generic Other Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-03 12:04 AM
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14. Diebold's Debacle
which may ultimately signal Diebold's demise.
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-03 12:51 AM
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15. "Drat, that damn cat has been out stealing tounges again."
n/t

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TinfoilHatProgrammer Donating Member (379 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-03 03:09 AM
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20. ahahahaha
Put the crack pipe down, junior. Diebold bought some little election company a couple of years ago for next to nothing, and if any of this nonsense ever has a noticeable impact on their business they'd probably just write it off as a bad investment. According to their financial reports they did nearly $2 billion in revenue last year and the election division did what.. maybe 5% of that total? It seems a little optimistic to be predicting Diebold's total imminent demise over a few stolen files and a tainted report. :eyes:

JC
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-03 10:06 AM
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21. Agreeing with tinfoil twice in one day? But here's the legal reality:
Edited on Fri Aug-22-03 10:16 AM by BevHarris
Anyone watching the press releases can see that several alliances completely unrelated to voting are taking place, like smart cards for college dorm cafeterias and so forth.

Exactly right: Diebold bought some little election company. Global Election Systems was run like a mom & pop shop, with crappy security and crappier programming. I've said this for months, and you'll see it in my earlier posts: Diebold did not really fold in their acquisition, and left it running in Texas, focusing instead on sales. They will probably pay a steep price liability-wise, but I don't see it having anything but a short-term effect on their overall business:

Here are the legal problems with what Diebold did with Global Election Systems:

1) They did not do adequate due diligence prior to finalizing the deal.

2) Once they bought it, instead of examining the software and procedures used by the boys in McKinney, Texas, they applied the Diebold muscle to marketing and concentrated on making sales. That will turn out to be costly, because the courts are not understanding about that kind of thing.

3) Instead of folding in the elections business, they assigned a fairly incompetent guy in Ohio to oversee it, and he stayed in Ohio to do so (!) and they just left the McKinney boys to do their thing.

4) They wrapped their respected name all over everything. The Georgia sales presentation is particularly damning: Diebold created a PowerPoint presentation that piggybacked everything Diebold had ever done right into the election system, without disclosing that the election system had been purchased about 35 days before the sales presentation. The presentation calls attention to Diebold Election Systems long history and track record, and inserts Diebold Inc. long history and track record.

Thus, when Diebold goes back and claims it just bought a little election company, any good lawyer will trot out this sales presentation and ask them why they misrepresented the situation. Indeed, they capitalized on the "we are secure, we make ATMs" a lot while selling their machines.

5) Diebold will also bear full liability for the FTP site. Here's why: When they did the acquisition of Global, they notified the Internet registry to change ownership of that site to Diebold. At that time, Diebold became the legal owner of the FTP site, and therefore is responsible for it.

6) Failure to supervise: Internal memos show that executives of the Diebold subsidiary, Diebold Election Systems, knew about the security risk posed by those files, discussed the security risk, but chose to do nothing about it for nearly a year. Then, they made a decision to shut it down, again shown by internal company memos, which again indicated it was a grave security risk, but then THEY FAILED TO SHUT IT DOWN!!!

7) Coverup: When asked by me, and shortly afterward, members of the press, Diebold executives in Ohio continued to lie about the FTP site, the patches, the remote connectivity, and whether the files had been used. They put these lies in writing and faxed them to reporters.

The truth is they bought a little election company, failed to do adequate due diligence, concentrated on sales instead of quality control and security, and it came back and bit them. The part that will bite their bottom line is the part where they sold systems by associating them with the Diebold security and quality that goes into their ATM machines.

Sorry, can't have it both ways.

I think the company will be forced to junk the entire suite of software they bought from Global Election Systems, they'll need to get rid of the executives that came with the acquisition, they'll need to replace the key programmers with their own. They also lost sales momentum and may have to refund and/or replace what they've previously sold. And they will probably end up paying hefty damages in product liability suits.

And by the way: Bob Urosevich is still the head of Diebold Election Systems, no change. And exec. Mike Rasmussen (who came from Omaha/ES&S with Bob Urosevich) is still around also.

If you say your house is now clean, you first need to clean your house.

Bev Harris
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-03 05:46 PM
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27. Best of luck to you as well on your next "project" (NT)
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-03 09:21 PM
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6. I Hope I Sent You What YOu Wanted
thanks for your determination and hard work
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never cry wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-03 10:43 PM
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11. yes, thanks tons bev
(now here is where i get all the duers po'd at me) but i have an all day golf outing tomorrow, could you please hold off your announcement until saturday?? (tee hee)
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-21-03 10:56 PM
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12. thank YOU
*kick*
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-03 01:29 AM
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16. Puzzle.. Has something been removed from this page?
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-03 01:31 AM
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17. Hey I noticed that too. What did they pull?
It obviously had Diebold in it at some point.

Bev
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-03 01:32 AM
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18. Something has definitely been removed from this page..
"In Brief
Washington Post, DC - 20 Aug 2003
... Rubin recently released a report saying that the voting system made by Diebold
Election Systems was so flawed that outsiders or election officials could ... "

is the index record... on Google...

Can someone have a look on B03 of the Thursday Wash Post and see if anything is there?
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-03 01:34 AM
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19. ...suspicious minds thinking alike...
I'm heading out. Is 6.30pm here Friday night. Catch you later.

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RedEagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-03 12:51 PM
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22. Keeping it on line...
Kick!
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-03 05:21 PM
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26. Hey Red.... your presence has been requested in this thread...
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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-03 12:58 PM
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23. kick
nt
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-03 01:26 PM
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24. Thanks SO MUCH, Bev and DU research team...PLEASE keep it up!!
This voting issue is the scariest thing that can happen in our life-time, as far as our real freedoms are concerned. Every time I see a photo of Asskrotch or Rumsfeld, the voting issue takes my breath away. We can't ever let this type of coup happen again.

Kicking it back up!!

:kick: :kick: :kick:
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Gordon25 Donating Member (246 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-03 04:52 PM
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25. Kick n/t
Gordon25
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hedda_foil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-03 06:37 PM
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28. kick it up!
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