OK Clark!! It's time to fuc*ing announce what the Fu*k you are!

[trumad]

Look...I like Clark and even went to see him speak in person a couple of months back but his reluctance to announce what his party is is er....pure bullshit. The dude's a 50 plus year old man and doesn't have a party affiliation? :wtf:

I'm beginning to hope that he announces that he's a repuke just so he blows the minds of a bunch of my fellow DU'ers.... ;-)

[JanMichael]

1. Yeah. It's just a tad childish. Don't ya' think?

If you ain't figured it out by 50 you ain't...

[trumad]

3. Exactly

I was 10 when I knew that I was a liberal....

[2cannan]

13. That might mean at heart he is a repuke...

since most repukes seem to think that adulthood doesn't start until age 40, lol!

[JanMichael]

18. Wasn't it Henry Hyde that said he had a "Youthful Indescretion" at 40?

Ay Caramba!

[roughsatori]

2. You're not the only one

I almost threw the remote at the TV, and it wasn't because of Hanratty.

[NNN0LHI]

4. I bet a dollar it bothers the RNC more than it does us n/t

[iluvchicago86]

5. For the first time EVER

I had a bigger problem with one of Hannity's guests than with the repuke himself. Clark needs to come out and say what he is.

[tameszu]

9. OK, that's a bit much! Worse than HANNITY?!?

You would have to be eating babies or something, wouldn't you?

:eyes:

[iluvchicago86]

Yes, worse than Hannity

Although he doesen't eat babies...killing them with bombs, depleted uranium, or land mines does sort of overshadow Hannity's belligerent rantings..any day.

[tameszu]

6. Career military officers are supposed to be non-partisan

So he has a decent reason.

I'm wondering how much it's helping him not to just come out and say it, though...it's getting strange to me, and I like him a bunch.

But here's a pretty good clue:

http://www.knoxdemocrats.org/

[imhotep]

23. where did you get that impression?

Every Officer I have ever known in the military has never hesitated to declare their political beliefs.

[Renew Deal]

39. Name some

and the belief they were outspoken on.

[newyawker99]

50. Hi Bleachers7!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[TSIAS]

7. Definitely

I like him as well. I went to see him at UCF, as well. I actually was there with Trumad and a few other DU'ers. I don't see him running as a Repub or an Independent, but I wish he'd just say "I'm a Democrat".

[Cha]

8. I saw it reported on DU that Clark was going to announce

@ the end of the month or around Labor Day! So we shall see! :-)

[JeniB]

11. His campaign asked for speaking time for him at a Dem picnic

on Sept. 7th in NH saying he wanted to announce his candidacy around that time and they were looking for a venue. He got the speaking time so we'll see.

[acerbic]

12. That doesn't get me to exactly hold my breath waiting

So many more or less credible things about all the candidates are being "reported" here... :eyes:

[Pastiche423]

10. Could it be

that he is waiting to see which party will give him the most, ahem, backing?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

15. Yeah, the Pukes Can't Wait To Back Him

after he's been bashing Bush the past six months

[KoKo]

14. ROFL, Trumad......the suspense is deafening!

Would "playing coy" be an old fashioned way to describe him?

[trumad]

16. KOY... It's fishy alright....

I just don't buy it... You is what you is so quit playing games!

[1opinion]

17. What's his game?

[quam]

19. Clark's Campaign Contribution and Connections

CLARK, WESLEY K
LITTLE ROCK, AR 72227
STEPHENS INVESTMENTS
11/4/2002
$1,000
Bowles, Erskine B

With this contribution in mind, explain how and why he would make such a contribution if he was a republican.

btw, Bowles (D) was the general election opponent to Senator Elizabeth Dole.

On another note, there is much information available regarding a personal friendship between Clark and Clinton, and with former Clinton staffers. Is Clark in 'the Democratic Party loop'? Maybe... Maybe not. Could he be? Based on who Clark knows - it is very likely.

[quam]

24. And a DNC Contribution by Clark

STEPHENS INVESTMENTS AND SECURITIES
LITTLE ROCK, AR 72201
6/26/1995
$5,000
DNC/Non-Federal Corporate

Looking at Clark's contribution, he has a history - as a Democrat.

[KoKo]

37. Well, with ties to Bowles he's DLC and for lefties like me that's a little

mark against him.......plus I went to a fundraiser for Bowles last Fall, and there were some of us who were worried even then when he was running about us invading Iraq. Questions were asked about whether Saddam was such a big threat. Bowles went on at great lengths about how dangerous he was that he was a terrible threat to the ME and America....he went on so long that I was completely turned off him......although I had a lawn sign out for him and voted for him.

I think it was then that I began to become disillusioned with the DLC........and I have to say I now dislike anyone with deep ties there. Some of Clinton's policies that I didn't like, I now know were DLC.....they didn't help us get Gore over the top by a huger amount , didn't defend Gore in Florida, and lost us the mid-terms.

I would vote for Bowles any day over Liddy Dole, but I would hope for a non-DLC affiliate to run next time...... So, that means I'm not interested in Clark because we have enough DLC'er candidates with better chances of winning than he does......so we don't need him.....

But, I understand that some DU'ers want a voice with excellent credentials to cancel out Bush.

[IranianDemocrat]

46. Clark has anything BUT DLC ideology.

He's against bush tax cut, against iraq war, pro choice, pro gays in the military etc.

[chaska]

20. One thing is appallingly obvious ... and appalling.

There are a lot of people whose party affiliation shifts with the wind. This has been proven (anecdotally, but proven to my satisfaction). I have seen a lot of interest from repugs in Clark. They see his background and are satisfied that he is someone they could vote for. Apparently, it doesn't matter to them that the man's princples are mainstream liberal. Either that or they don't bother to look into the matter. In either case, he is pulling support from Georgie boy. The longer he delays anouncing his party, the more votes he pulls from bushco.

Notice my new signature line. And see if you recognize your reflection in that mirror.

[spooky3]

21. My brother suggests

A Dean-Clark ticket. I like the idea.

[caledesi]

42. That's my dream team.

[newyawker99]

51. Hi spooky3!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[peabody71]

25. Something is just not right about him.

Can't put my finger on it yet, but the military background does not help. I am hearing alot about his military experience being his number one asset. Well, I say that should a liability here in the DU.
Can we trust anyone that has been so involved in the most corrupt institution in history?

[JVS]

27. Oh man, you are just setting me up for a punchline

But a flame war would erupt here if I were to complete the joke

[RichM]

31. Oh no, c'mon, complete the joke. Please....

It seems like there is good potential for something very funny, right in this area! ;-)

[JVS]

34. I can't I'll be excorciated for it

PM me if you want to know. Or just think "flame war" + "most corrupt institution and history=????

[ima_sinnic]

29. maybe it has to do with this

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=212190

[DemocratSinceBirth]

53. I'm Glad That Corrupt Institution

ended slavery and stopped the Holocaust.

Now, if we would have only asked the South and the Germans nicely they might have stopped.

I'll never tire of saying this.

Some folks on this board are just as wack as the Freepers but in another direction.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

59. bwa ha ha foruntately DU is a *tiny* subset of Democrats

The vast majority of Americans do not share the knee-jerk anti-military sentiment of DUers - let's not forget who DUers are - upper middle class white people.

[LTR]

32. You may be right

This business of leaving everybody guessing is getting exactly the response it's supposed to get.

Namely, people are talking about it. People are guessing. People are curious.

It's all too obvious that if he runs, he runs as a Democrat. But the longer he keeps everyone, the more he builds up suspense. And suspense = curiosity = no preconceptions.

Let's face it, did anybody, Democrats or Republicans, get excited when the other nine threw their hats in the ring? Doubtful.

Wake up people, it's a tease. And a pretty good one, I might add.

After all, it's driving you all crazy, right?

[dfong63]

48. ambiguity is a tool of deceivers and scoundrels

hey that's a cool-sounding slogan in your sig, it's right up there with "ignorance is strength".

do you have any evidence to back up that assertion - "Intolerance of ambiguity... republican"? or is it just a baseless ad hominem designed to divert attention from your hero's weaknesses? sure... whenever someone points out that Clark's primadonna-ish behavior might be hurting the dems, you try to smear that person as a "republican".

so how does Clark figure that he can waltz in and claim the allegiance of the dem party, why does he think dems should bet the farm on HIM, when HE steadfastly refuses to proclaim his own loyalty to the party? we are expected to fawn and drool over the man and his stars, while he maintains his "ambiguous" status?

no thanks. Clark has never run for elected office, let alone won; he is no more qualified to be president than Arnold is qualified to be governor.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

55. no thanks.Clark has never run for elected office, let alone win:he is no

more qualified to be president than Arnold is qualified to be governor.

There you go again...

Wes Clark is no more qualified than George Washington, Ulysses S. Grant and Dwight David Eisenhower to be elected president.

Touche....

[Gloria]

22. He actually said that "There might or might not be an announcement"

which got me pretty pissed off, since he said he would be announcing something within a few weeks....He also defended his "Hamlet act" by saying it could be seen as keeping the momentum going. Frankly, I think declaring might help with the momentum..

Actually, Clark almost seems TOO low key and passionless! Maybe I'm just used to seeing Dean......He impressed me the other night, but under the Hannity pressure cooker style, he seemed way too namby pamby. It wasn't so much what he was saying....he just seemed very bland.....

However, at the end he did challenge Hannity about whether he believed in the two party system!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

57. Your Point Is Well Taken

He is low key but his resume speaks for itself and you don't have to take your shoe off and beat it on the table to make a point.

[Skip Intro]

26. If he announced repuke, bush's mind would be the most blown

of course, a mild wind would have the same effect

[trumad]

28. When I saw him at UCF in Central Florida

I thought he was an interesting guy but had a ways to go to excite the masses.... He is low key and in my opinion, so-so at the podium....

[carpetbagger]

30. He's voted in democratic primaries.

Colin Powell didn't declare his party affiliation until he declared his non-candidacy for president in late 1995.

[FubarFly]

33. As a general, I think he knows a thing or two about strategy.

Clark is the center of attention right now.

And repubs and independents are making decisions on Clark unbiased by labels of Democrat or Republican.

He can't continue this charade for too long , but right now it's a brilliant way to both test the waters and grab the spotlight. I don't think Clark would be making the talk show rounds if he wasn't up to something.

With that said, if he announces as a repuke, I will eat Hillary Clinton's shoe. :evilgrin:

[LTR]

35. And if and when he announces...

...do you really think he'd announce it to Hannity?

[FubarFly]

41. I would hope not. n/t.

[Kahuna]

45. Absolutely not!

[dean4america]

36. Center of attention?

are you serious? If anything, Dean and Arnold are running about even in terms of media saturation these days, the california circus is overshadowing everything, the kobe trial will heat up, and iraq is getting more play. to say that Clark is the center of attention outside of those that are really attuned to politics is over-reaching. And, even among my very liberal friends (I'm a Dean supporter, full disclosue), they either a) don't know who he is, b) know who he is in passing, or c) are already committed to a candidate.

I like the guy, but he's not the messiah, and the time I saw him speak he did not inspire me to hit the pavement campaigning for him like Dean does.

[Mz Pip]

38. I hope he announces

and takes the focus off Ah-nold and Kobe and Scott Peterson. Even if it were just for a few days, the diersion would be welcome.

MzPip
:dem:

[FubarFly]

40. Clark's star is on the rise. How's that?

Maybe "center of attention" was a reach, but in a few months it may not be. He is generating buzz. He is receiving positive publicity.
Incidentally- full disclosure- I'm a Dean supporter as well. I don't believe Clark is a messiah, but I do believe his voice will be instrumental in defeating b*sh.

[Kahuna]

60. For the past two months, Clark's TV appearances average 3 times a week...

How many TV appearances has Dean made?

[angee_is_mad]

43. vp

Here's a new spin on Clark. It is obviously to late for him to run for prez-right? So, maybe he's campaigning for vp or a cabinet position. Or trying to rise his visibilty and run in 2008, as a republican or independent.
Things that make you say UMMMMMMM!!!!!

[jeter]

44. he's a democrat.

get over it.

[mandyky]

56. I wanna hear that from the man himself

not supporters, because I have heard him asked in interviews and he dodged the question. If he is not a Dem or he recently registered Dem, the Democratic party machinery should not support him as a Dem candidate. I'd love to see Clark run as an Independent, since that is what he seems to be.

[Dover]

47. How did Clark arrive on the political candidacy radar?

I don't recall how he got here.

[jafap]

49. Wesley Clark. Super-star. Who the fu*k

do you say you are?

segue to Michael W. Smith's

"could he be? The messiah?
Miracle man? Part of the plan?"

[gulliver]

52. Building suspense. Keeping attention of swing voters...

...and moderate Republicans.

Clark is being smart. Give the guy the benefit of the doubt would you? Running for president is serious business. I see no reason whatsoever to get on his case. He is doing and saying great things, getting a lot of attention for the issues... What more do you want?

Clark doesn't owe anyone anything. He's done more than his share for America already, and is thinking about taking on a thankless, difficult, even personally dangerous job. He deserves respect and gratitude.

[DealsGapRider]

54. I don't see what all the fuss is about Clark

What exactly is so impressive about him? That he's a retired general who is - gasp - actually a Democrat? Big deal. Shalikashvili was a Democrat and he was a helluva lot more impressive than Clark.

[TioDiego]

58. Seriously, What could be his motive for waiting.

Shouldn't he be raising money?