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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-04 03:03 PM
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Senator Dayton: NORAD lied!
"I'm a strong defender of government," he said. "When government fails, it really outrages me. It just destroys peoples' trust and faith."

Using the chronology, Dayton argued that if the FAA had promptly sent a systemwide message about the hijackings, the pilot of the fourth plane seized, United Airlines Flight 93, might have been able to secure the cockpit doors and land the plane.

Passengers, including Minnesota native Tom Burnett, Jr., "could very well be alive," he said.

"This is unbelievable negligence," Dayton said. "It doesn't matter if we spend $550 billion annually on our national defense, if we reorganize our intelligence or if we restructure congressional oversight if people don't pick up the phone to call one another."

http://www.startribune.com/stories/484/4904237.html

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Of course, now America will time to say it's time to move on since the commission is "done" and they were bi-partisan blah blah blah, yet it was Dayton's studious reading of the report that prompts today's allegations.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-04 03:04 PM
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1. Holy crap!
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-04 03:07 PM
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2. Exactly!
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-04 03:08 PM
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3. As a Minnesota resident,
I am increasingly proud of our senator. He has picked up the Wellstone torch and is taking courageous stands against the entrenched Machine in Washington!
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-04 03:13 PM
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5. Be very proud of him.
I watched his brave speeches during the gay marriage flap, he's a kepper.
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mandyky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-04 03:09 PM
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4. I watched Dayton on CSpan Friday
He did great, the video may be up on the cspan site. And boy did he get Keene and Hamilton squirming in their seats...
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-04 03:23 PM
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6. Watch Dayton on Cspan
Edited on Sat Jul-31-04 03:23 PM by seemslikeadream
Senate Hearing on Sept. 11 Cmsn. Recommendations (07/30/2004)

here at 1:58 mark DON'T MISS IT

http://www.cspan.org /

Brilliant!


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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-04 03:34 PM
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7. I saw this.
After his commentary not one person stated anything about it. The fact that not one person was fired because of the screw-ups is telling about the Bush Regime. The 911 Commission, while it has some worthwile points failed in assigning real blame for failures and shifted blame for sytems. Failures were made by people and no one was held accountable. The Bush Regime failed America!
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-04 04:33 PM
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10. That's a MUST WATCH....
and did you see how the chairwoman was ready to gavel him into silence for missing his time mark by seconds just after Specter rambled on for minutes after his time was up.
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liveoaktx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-04 05:13 PM
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12. Turned this into a video clip of just his testimony
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-04 08:14 PM
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13. Good Work
:thumbsup:
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-04 09:20 PM
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16. Would you add that to the thread in LBN please
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KC21304 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-04 04:04 PM
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8. I'm sure all we will hear out of this is that the head of the FAA
Edited on Sat Jul-31-04 04:05 PM by Kerryfan
was a Democrat. Norm Manetta.
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leetrisck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-04 04:48 PM
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11. Maneta isn't and wasn't head of
the FAA - or are you just saying they will say that.
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KC21304 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-04 10:24 PM
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17. He was Secretary of Transportation at the time .
I don't know if that makes him ultimately responsible or not but I'm sure they will try to pin it on them.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-04 04:12 PM
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9. Dayton is a good egg. He was overshadowed by Wellstone, for obvious
reasons, but he makes me very proud to be a Minnesotan as well.
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Corgigal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-04 09:04 PM
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14. I guess they changed game plans
now it sounds like blame the controller game however I haven't heard one controller being allowed to give any testimony on record.

Wonder why.
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nose pin Donating Member (291 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-04 09:14 PM
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15. According to 9/11 Commission report, they did know
From page 11, 9/11 commission report:

United’s first decisive action to notify its
airborne aircraft to take defensive action did not come until 9:19, when a
United flight dispatcher, Ed Ballinger, took the initiative to begin transmitting
warnings to his 16 transcontinental flights: “Beware any cockpit intrusion—
Two a/c hit World Trade Center.” One of the flights that received
the warning was United 93. Because Ballinger was still responsible for his
other flights as well as Flight 175, his warning message was not transmitted to
Flight 93 until 9:23.69
By all accounts, the first 46 minutes of Flight 93’s cross-country trip proceeded
routinely. Radio communications from the plane were normal. Heading,
speed, and altitude ran according to plan. At 9:24, Ballinger’s warning to
United 93 was received in the cockpit.Within two minutes, at 9:26, the pilot,
Jason Dahl, responded with a note of puzzlement: “Ed, confirm latest mssg
plz—Jason.”70
The hijackers attacked at 9:28. While traveling 35,000 feet above eastern
Ohio, United 93 suddenly dropped 700 feet. Eleven seconds into the descent,
the FAA’s air traffic control center in Cleveland received the first of two radio
transmissions from the aircraft. During the first broadcast, the captain or first
officer could be heard declaring “Mayday” amid the sounds of a physical struggle
in the cockpit.The second radio transmission, 35 seconds later, indicated
that the fight was continuing.The captain or first officer could be heard shouting:“
Hey get out of here—get out of here—get out of here.”71
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