What In The World Is Going On Along The Mexican Border

[Strelnikov_]

LIHOP/MIHOP theories regarding 9/11 have never gained much credibility with me. My view has been that the administration placed too little emphasis on counterterrorism since it was one of the major concerns of the Clinton administration, thus facilitating the 9/11 attackers through bureaucratic incompetence.

However, when I hear the following during an interview on "Lou Dobbs Tonight" 1-1/2 months ago:

" . . agents are forced to sit eight to 10 hours a day in one spot in order not to move from that spot, even if aliens are crossing within yards of them . . . This comes straight from the top and nobody has signed an order to that effect, but those are the standing orders out there in the field, and if agents violate them, they are subject to discipline."

Then an article in a Tombstone, AZ paper that states:

". . . at least two documented accounts of Border Patrol agents encountering large groups of non-Spanish speaking males in the Chiricahua foothills and on trails along the high mountain areas . . . 71 suspected illegal aliens were apprehended; among them were 53 males of middle-eastern descent"

Then our 'terra' warning of this week for CA and NM.

Kinda gets you thinkin' about a LIHOP around the time of the election.

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FBI Issues Terror Warning for Calif., N.M.
July 30, 2004

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uslatest/story/0,1282,-4366833,00.html
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The FBI warned police in California and New Mexico that it received information about possible terrorist activity in their states. However, the warning wasn't specific about particular targets or a method of attack, a federal law enforcement official said Thursday.

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Breaking Silence over a Possible Terror Threat
July 23, 2004

http://www.sftt.org/cgi-bin/csNews/csNews.cgi?database=DefenseWatch.db&command=viewone&op=t&id=575&rnd=897.9835542978615

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According to the Tombstone editor’s sources, on June 13, 2004, Border Patrol agents from the Wilcox, Ariz., patrol station encountered a large group of illegal border crossers in the Chiricaucha Mountain foothills, just east of what is known as The Sanders Ranch. Agents estimated that the group comprised about 100 people.

Border Patrol sources who were present at this mass apprehension state that they seized 71 illegal aliens, of whom 53 were males of Middle Eastern decent. The suspects did not speak Spanish and spoke only poor English, sources told the newspaper.

In fact, after a group of the detainees had been placed in a transport van, one Border Patrol agents on the scene who speaks Arabic and Farsi, the native language of Iran, clearly overheard the detainees speaking Arabic through an air vent in the transport vehicle.

Higher-ups in the Border Patrol allegedly ordered these agents involved not to say a thing to the news media.

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LOU DOBBS TONIGHT
June 15, 2004

http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0406/15/ldt.00.html

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LISA SYLVESTER, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Customs and border protection agents' hands are tied because their job no longer includes enforcement. Instead, they have to man their posts for eight to 10 hours a day to serve as a deterrent. It's part of a bureaucratic decision that critics say is jeopardizing national security.

T.J. BONNER, NATIONAL BORDER CONTROL COUNCIL: Even if they see people walking directly in front of them or right off to their side, that they are to do nothing but report it to someone else, and, in most cases, there is no one else to report it to. So these people simply evade apprehension.

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T. J. BONNER, PRESIDENT, NATIONAL BORDER PATROL COUNCIL: Good to be here.

DOBBS: Your statements, other testimony before the Homeland Security Committee today frankly were chilling and should be, in my judgment at least, deeply concerning to every American.

How in the world two and half years, more than two and half years after September 11 have we gotten into this situation at our borders?

BONNER: I'm not sure who to point fingers at, but we certainly are in a mess. Morale is at an all-time low and agents are just waiting for other agencies, state and local, to get some money so they start hiring again. When that happens, there will be a mass exodus of border patrol agents.

DOBBS: A mass exodus, at the same time as Lisa Sylvester reported tonight, border patrol agents are basically forced to step aside under current policy, and are not even apprehending illegal aliens as they cross the border.
Is that correct?

BONNER: That's correct. And it's just amazing. And it's a major source of frustration and demoralization. Agents are forced to sit eight to 10 hours a day in one spot in order not to move from that spot, even if aliens are crossing within yards of them. It's really mind boggling, Lou.

DOBBS: Who made that decision, who issued that order?

BONNER: This comes straight from the top and nobody has signed an order to that effect, but those are the standing orders out there in the field, and if agents violate them, they are subject to discipline.

DOBBS: And what -- you said morale is low -- what in the world are border communities -- how are they responding to these orders and to basically a sweep of the hand by the border patrol inviting illegal aliens in?

BONNER: It's not just the border communities, Lou, it's every part of America, because illegals don't camp out right at the border after they make an entry. They are heading to the heartland of America, to take jobs away from American citizens.

DOBBS: And we have at this point simply a procedure whereby border patrol agents are not effectively in any way guarding our borders. Illegal aliens once apprehended are said -- are given an -- or issued an order to appear before a hearing, but in point of fact, no one is following up to make certain that occurs, and in fact it doesn't.

Is that right?

BONNER: Probably, 90 to 95 percent of the people who are issued to show cause to appear, abscond, they never show up. And we don't even require a bona fide address. We have no way to verify it in the first place, but we don't even require it.

DOBBS: And the reaction of the committee, is there a dawning taking place anywhere in Washington?

BONNER: I haven't seen it yet, Lou. I don't know what to say. I don't know what it's going to take to wake these people up. To wake up, not just the Congress, but to wake up America, as to what's going on. Because this is not just an issue of economics of people coming across to take jobs, mixed in with that could well be a number of terrorists. So it's clearly a matter of homeland security.

DOBBS: T.J. Bonner, we thank you for being with us here tonight.

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[Eloriel]

1. Good grief!

Thanks for rounding up all that info. Verrrrry interresting.

[Tight_rope]

11. I swear you took the words right outta my mouth!

Lately, I find myself using many obscene words in reaction to things I read and hear about the Bush administration. But I just couldn't vocalize any word strong enough to this information. I'm so way passed mad that I really have to force myself to remain calm. I've never had high blood pressure but I know that in the pass few months it's gone up. But Bush is not worth dying over. So now I'm just going to read and shake my head.

[Kali]

2. editor of Tombstone paper is a wingnut

I see Border Patrol loading busses every day, they aren't letting everybody walk on by - sounds like a lot of bull to me

[UTUSN]

3. Meet Chris SIMCOX, Tombstone Tumbleweed

The DefenseWatch link belongs to Col. David HACKWORTH. The article relies on Chris SIMCOX, a vigilante chasing illegal aliens.



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http://aztlan.net/sincoxarrested.htm

Anti-Mexican "Tombstone Vigilante" Arrested
by
Ernesto Cienfuegos
La Voz de Aztlan

Los Angeles, Alta California - January 29, 2003 - (ACN) Chris Simcox, the racist Los Angeles school teacher who left the city to go to Wyatt Earp's Tombstone, Arizona to create an anti-Mexican armed militia, was arrested Sunday by Federal Park Rangers for possession of a loaded and concealed weapon, disorderly conduct and interfering with a law enforcement function on federal government land.

The vigilante was arrested and detained for three hours inside the Coronado National Monument Park that is just west of Naco, Arizona and along the US/Mexico border. He was charged with three counts of breaking federal law. Further infractions or crimes by Simcox may result in federal imprisonment where he may fall victim to the same fate that befell Irv Rubin of the Jewish Defense League. The Mexican-American community is awaiting the arrest of Jewish Defense League member Glenn Spencer, a cohort of Chris Simcox who is also from California but is presently somewhere on the Mexico/Arizona border terrorizing poor and defenseless Mexican migrant workers in desperate economic straits. These heartless vigilantes which also includes the vile rancher Roger Barnett and others in his Ranch Rescue Posse, have been responsible for the death of hundreds of migrant workers including mothers, children and babies. In addition, there have been at least 5 murders of Mexican migrants that were shot with high power hunting rifles.

Chris Simcox left Los Angeles after his wife divorced him and after his educational consulting business collapsed. He left his elementary teaching job at a Los Angeles private school under suspicious circumstances. He ended up in Tombstone, Arizona where he utilized his newspaper, the "Tombstone Tumbleweed", to call for the formation of an "armed militia" to "stop the Mexicans from coming over the border."

The Chief of Federal Park Rangers, Than Weigand, said that Simcox was arrested after apparently "hunting for Mexicans inside the park." He was accompanied by two other vigilantes who were not arrested because they were not carrying concealed weapons. Chief Weigand said that his Rangers confiscated items that Simcox was carrying. The property included a loaded pistol, two walkie-talkies, a police scanner, a cellular telephone, a digital camera and what appeared to be a toy figure of Wyatt Earp on his horsie.



http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2003/05/22/vigilante/

Vigilante injustice
Arizona militia members, a Colorado Republican and a national group with white supremacist ties have made a remote stretch of the Mexico border a flash point for anti-immigrant hostility.

.... Simcox, the Tumbleweed's editor and owner, is in his element. After a failed marriage in Los Angeles, a stint of unemployment, the shock of Sept. 11, and three months camped out in the Arizona desert, he arrived here last year and has fashioned for himself a new life as the poster boy for the American anti-immigrant movement. He bought the newspaper in August; by October, he had clearly stamped it with his own personality. "ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!" declared the Tumbleweed's front page that month. "A PUBLIC CALL TO ARMS! CITIZENS BORDER PATROL MILITIA NOW FORMING!"

Within a month, Simcox claims, an untold number of Tombstone residents and others signed up to join his militia, called Civil Homeland Defense. Militia rules mandate that each member carry a pistol, for which a background check is required, and he or she must also wear a baseball cap emblazoned with an American flag. The group patrols along the Cochise County chaparral between Tombstone and Mexico, searching for people who look like illegal immigrants. When suspected illegals are caught, Simcox says, they are "humanely" placed under citizen's arrest and turned over to the U.S. Border Patrol.

There are those in Tombstone who say that the 41-year-old former teacher is an eccentric, an egomaniac and a threat to the local tourism industry. While Simcox says his militia has 600 members, others here say the number is far smaller. "Chris can only get a three-man patrol going," says Jeff, a bartender at the Crystal Bar on Main Street. "Basically, the kind of people who want to join his group can't even pass a background check."

However quixotic his character, Simcox is a leading figure in a loose but committed alliance of anti-immigrant forces that have turned Cochise County into a national flash point for escalating tensions over illegal immigration. The alliance includes not only local ranchers, landowners and law enforcement officials, but also former high-ranking Border Patrol agents and U.S. Rep. Tom Tancredo, a Colorado Republican. Quietly backing their efforts is the Federation for American Immigration Reform, a controversial anti-immigration group that in the 1980s and 1990s received more than $1 million from a shadowy group accused of white-supremacist leanings. ....

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[UTUSN]

5. Along These Lines

from this website: http://www.bustamanteno.com/Lawlessness.html comes this:

[UTUSN]

6. & Then There's Victor Davis HANSON, Who Coined "Mexifornia"

The Classics professor, CHEENEE's guru in ginning up the Iraq attack. He provided examples from history to justify what the Shrubbites wanted to do anyway. He's in the group of PAGLIA, Leo STRAUSS, and NIETZSCHE-------from the Classics Department, pre-Christian values of physical force, pride/gloating (non-humility), glory. HANSON is not a racist, but notice the process of how "Mexifornia" was appropriated by racists for their readymade use. This is like what happened to NIETSCHE with the Nazis.

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Mexifornia: http://www.city-journal.org/html/12_2_do_we_want.html
Thousands arrive illegally from Mexico into California each year—and the state is now home to fully 40 percent of America’s immigrants, legal and illegal. They come in such numbers because a tacit alliance of Right and Left has created an open-borders policy, aimed at keeping wage labor cheap and social problems ever fresh, so that the ministrations of Chicano studies professors, La Raza activists, and all the other self-appointed defenders of group causes will never be unneeded. ....

And while the Democrats think the illegals will eventually turn into liberal voters, the actual Hispanic vote so far remains just a small fraction of the eligible Mexican-American pool: of the 14,173 residents of the central California town of Hanford who identified themselves as Latino (34 percent of the town’s population), for example, only 770 are registered to vote.

My sleepy hometown of Selma, California, is in the dead center of all this. ....It is a schizophrenic existence, living at illegal immigration’s intersection. Each week I pick up trash, dirty diapers, even sofas and old beds dumped in our orchard by illegal aliens—only to call a Mexican-American sheriff who empathizes when I show him the evidence of Spanish names and addresses on bills and letters scattered among the trash. ....

Yet I also walk through vineyards at 7 AM in the fog and see whole families from Mexico, hard at work in the cold—while the native-born unemployed of all races will not—and cannot—prune a single vine. By natural selection, we are getting some of the most intelligent and industrious people in the world, people who have the courage to cross the border, the tenacity to stay—and, if not assimilated, the potential to cost the state far, far more than they can contribute. ....

Our elites do not understand just how rare consensual government is in the history of civilization, and therefore they wrongly think that they can instill confidence by praising the other, less successful, cultures that aliens are escaping from rather than explaining the dynamism and morality of the civilization that they have voted for with their feet. ....
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[Kali]

7. Well that isn't really much better

"These heartless vigilantes which also includes the vile rancher Roger Barnett and others in his Ranch Rescue Posse, have been responsible for the death of hundreds of migrant workers including mothers, children and babies. In addition, there have been at least 5 murders of Mexican migrants that were shot with high power hunting rifles"

This is patently untrue. The vigilantes have NOT been responsible for hundreds of deaths. That would lay squarely at our current border policy. These folks are dying because they are being forced out into the extremly harsh western deserts. Has nothing to do with the vigilante groups. Not to say these guys are A ok, but mostly they just round up trespassers on private property and hold them until the border patrol comes.

Don't know him personally but would hardly call Barnett vile. He's just sick of people trashing his property. I haven't heard of him harming anyone. Ranch Rescue is another group that may have been working with him. Most of these vigilante guys are from out of state. Barnettes are local. (trucking and towing is their main business)

[emc]

15. Same here Kali

Im over here in Deming as you well know and their loading up every day---this is bullshit if you ask me ___I went to elpaso last week the back way through Columbus and I got stopped twice on the way back and its only an 80 mile trip---then the next day did it again and got stopped----

Where in the hell do they get this crap---maybe moral is down which I grant you from what Ive seen but their still picking them up---

Last week was in Palomis and there were not as many illegals there as I usually see on the streets----so as far as Im concerned this is all crap

[Snoggera]

4. I'm in NM

and am duct-taping the windows as I type. Uh, not really.

[Eloriel]

9. Well, you might change your mind after reading THIS

ABC News: Attacks from Al Quaeda imminent in NYC
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=720164

IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Sat Jul-31-04 06:48 PM
Response to Original message

11. ABC News: Big Apple Terror?


Big Apple Terror?
Sources: Al Qaeda Plotting to Attack New York City Corporations

N E W Y O R K, July 31, 2004 — ABC News has learned that federal and New York City officials have received credible intelligence that al Qaeda has been plotting to carry out suicide attacks on corporations based in the city.

Sources at several law enforcement agencies tell ABC News that an "overseas source" has provided the information about the threat to New York and that it is more significant than the usual "chatter" intercepted from likely terrorists that has prompted warnings in the past.

Officials from dozens of local and federal agencies met into the night Friday and again this morning.

Intelligence sources say al Qaeda plans to move non-Arab terrorists across the border with Mexico. Authorities already have in custody a woman of Pakistani-origin arrested after crossing into Texas. She carried a South African passport with several of the pages torn out, $7,000 in cash and an airplane ticket to New York.

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/WNT/US/new_york_city_ter...

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

8. I've never understood this

fear of Mexicans. Yeah, they are SUCH terrorists, I'm sure.


---A Texan who knows and loves Mexicans and Mexican-Americans

[DemBones DemBones]

10. Um, it's fear of NON-Mexican terrorists sneaking in

through Mexico. Like Al Qaeda.

For what it's worth.

And it IS weird that we have much better security on our northern border than on our southern border. Of course, many enjoy exploiting the cheap labor that comes in from Mexico, but that's no excuse. If we're going to let the Mexican border keep leaking like a sieve, we might as well not bother about people coming in by air or ship, either.

Just saying "Welcome to America" and hoping for the best isn't much of a security strategy.

[midwayer]

13. We are in a state of emergency and at war

John Kerry's group should get down there, investigate and either expose the need for manpower, corruption or reassure the people that we are safe at our borders.

If they need more manpower..thenjustdoit

[nightperson]

14. I've thought "it is weird" for a while!

So few people talk about this! You, me, and to be honest Pat Buchanan and Michael Savage must have missed the freakin' memo from both parties to throw up one's hands about who is coming in and out of the freakin' U.S.! Both parties and most commentators seem totally out to lunch on this one, like they traditionally have been on energy conservation, (though Kerry et al are making an effort on that recently). "Sneaking in" is practically encouraged, so that some people have a good supply of cheap and eager workers! What a country! Should we just admit it's a full-on free-for-all?

If we're making no attempt to secure our borders, shouldn't there be bipartisan outrage that we are not in control of who or what traipses back and forth at will to do whatever? Why bother with all this other "Homeland Security" stuff if we can't account for who (with what :scared: ?) was in the country a month ago? Maybe I'm missing something, but this seems pretty basic to me! Bipartisan common sense!

We hear endless crapola about countries thousands of miles away, but why does no one wonder when someone is going to sneak into the U.S with a plan to, um, do more than work for low wages? All this talk about terrorism, foreign policy, etc., but you're weird if you ask "why can't we sorta keep track of who's coming and going, who was here yesterday and who was far, far away?"!

I musta missed da memo :shrug: !

On edit: some signs of awareness?: 1 2

[Tight_rope]

12. I'm with you Moonbeam_Starlight on that!

I live in Houston and I have no beef with Mexicans or Mexican-Americans, they are very hard working people. But they do love their beer after work (just as many American's enjoy a drink after work). Tequilla is their weekend treat.