Krugman should stop debating Republicans like O'Reilly.

[MikeG]

O'Reilly's a thug.

He should be ridiculed, not debated.

What was accomplished by this alleged "debate?"

O'Reilly interrupted Krugman every time he tried to talk.

Russert did nothing to establish order.

Krugman only elevates O'Reilly by appearing on the same show with him.

[SharonAnn]

1. Yes, I agree. O'Reilly was his typical bullying self and Krugman

was way too nice to him.

[Leilani]

2. I agree!

Not only a thug, but a liar...the lies about FOX being fair & balanced .....what a joke.

[senseandsensibility]

3. I agree completely

A couple of days ago, I heard O"Reilly with Garrison Keiller. Nice, intelligent men like Krugman and Keiller do not have the gutter mentality it would take to interact with a lowlife like O'Reilly. The Keiller interview was painful too.

[still_one]

4. I started watching it and had to turn it off

How do you people have the stomach to watch that scum O'Reilly?

[joefree1]

5. O'Lielly won't debate unless he knows he's got the advantage

You'll never see him go up against Al Franklin. What a wimp.

[joefree1]

6. Hey it's on here on the West Coast

O'Lielly looks like shit. I'd say he looks haggard but really he just looks like a hag.


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[BootinUp]

7. I don't know, I think plenty of Americans

will see what an asshole O'Reilly is, he went way overboard, a raving madman, bully.

[Selwynn]

8. Dude how dare you start a dupe thread omg wtf u die now!

Sorry.. just passing along what I got earlier :)

[Jim Sagle]

9. Krugman sliced and diced O'Reilly.

For a guy who is clearly uncomfortable with high-pressure public appearances, Krugman did fine. He was soft-spoken, but his facial expression shouted, "This guy next to me is a fucking loony."

As for O'Reilly, he reminds me of the Jackie Gleason character, Ralph Kramden.

[monchie]

11. Nah, not Kramden....

Deep down, Ralph Kramden is a sweetheart.

O'Reilly's a lying thug.

Basil Fawlty would be a closer parallel to O'Lielly. Both are bullying blowhards and both haven't the foggiest idea of how incredibly stupid they look to others.

[kodi]

12. jim i saw that too in krugman's body language towards wild bill

it was funny. the more exposure these types get the better. sooner or later they show their asses.

[radiclib]

10. I hate to say it, but we need an O'Reilly type on our side

That's the style that "wins" TeeVee "debates" these days. Whoever can be the loudest, most sarcastic, obnoxious bully gets the upper hand and seems to present the more powerful "argument". Gentlemen like Krugman have no chance, because they're not even playing the same game.

[CaTeacher]

13. I talked to my "undecided"

neighbor (she tends to be liberal--she works in the human resources department at the local University).

She was completely taken in by O'Lielly--and thought that Krugman looked "like a stupid little rat". This debate did not go well for our side--O'Lielly is aggressive--and that is what works in debates.

[My Pet Goat]

17. If she likes the aggressive style then

be sure to tell her she's the nitwit for thinking Krugman is a "stupid little rat." If you can, try to wave and jab your pointing fingers inches from her face. Tell her only people from Cuba think Krugman is a rat. If she says anything, yell loudly and get beet red. Wish her a nice week at work with lunatic students and professors raving in her face all day.

If incivility impresses people then logically they should have no problem living in an uncivil world.

[CaTeacher]

27. It would be fun--but I don't want to

alienate her--like I said, she will probably vote Democratic--but she definitely was impressed by O'Lielly. I just kind of rolled my eyes and kept my mouth shut.

But--I do wish Krugman had been more aggressive in the debate.

[monchie]

15. Michael Moore is probably the closest to your ideal.

He's not a bully, but he's a fighter. As he said last week on Bill Maher's show, as he was using facts and logic to rip that dishonest ReTHUG to pieces: "I'm no wimpy Democrat!"

I wouldn't want people on my side to be lying bullies a la O'Lielly, Limbaugh, Hannity, Coulter, etc., but I would like to see more fair street fighters like Moore. In fact, I was a little embarrassed by that Maher show because both Moore and Maher were going after the ReTHUG and were sometimes joined by the former Canadian prime minister, Kim Campbell. I don't like to see two or three against one, even when the numbers favor my side.

BTW, I haven't seen anyone mention this, but Campbell was from the Progressive Conservative Party. She took over as prime minister when Brian Mulroney resigned as the party leader. (The old Progressive Conservative Party was roughly equivalent to Eisenhower Republicans. The right wingnuts -- by Canadian standards -- broke off and formed the Reform Party, later renamed the Canadian Alliance. In the last election, the Alliance and the PC merged to form the Conservative Party.)

[rman]

19. play what game? debate or shouting match?

i think i'd be best if we'd show by example what actual "debate" is like.
There's a saying about RW 'debating' tactics: "They'll drag you down to their level and beat you on experience".
I don't see any reason why we should play their game. When the goal is to debate, then lets debate and not play some other game.

[Manix]

14. I'm in the ignore him camp. Let the bottom feeders have the bottom.

[KharmaTrain]

16. O'Reilly's Game...Outshout...

Forget all the facts that Krugman put out there...O'Reilly starting shouting and bullying early and often and that's what he and his horde feel wins the argument.

Krugman took him apart at every turn...and O'Reilly just went on with his bullying and pontificating. The part that HE, Bill O'Reilly, created 50 jobs, made me just scream. That's not what we're talking about here, asshole!

He came off like a little boy who wants all his money and make as much as he can't and you aren't entitled to any. Oh, but make sure my garbage is picked up promptly (and preferably by happy minorities), the roads have no potholes when I drive my SUV at 90mph on them (escort included) and so those slimy terrorists (anyone whose skin is lighter than mine, religion isn't as Christian as mine and doesn't have more sex than I do) don't fly their turbans into my buildings.

This dude is Howard Beale on crack.

Krugman works best in print, and dare I say should stay there. Paul was not ready for the media beast that is O'Reilly and I doubt could stand up to most of the wingnut liars who are out there.

If Russert really wanted a good debate, he would have pitted John Snow against Krugman. Or if he's looking for someone to go up against O'Reilly, I know a certain Al Franken who'd enjoy that chance again.

[sadiesworld]

18. IMO...

O'Reilly came off as the blustering, bullying, lying, gasbag that he is. Krugman did a fine job.

Mr. Potato Head was a waste of space, but that was to be expected.

Not understanding the negativity of some of these posts. :shrug:

[oscar111]

20. Only Debaters against Debaters: other LW's avoid the fray

Klugman, Kellinor are LW but not used to the irrational tricks debaters use with irrational audiences.

Interrupting, slurs, namecalling, shouts and ridicule etc, work.

Perhaps our radio hosts would do well against Oreilly.

Hosts that take opposition callers, that can do the irrational tricks. Anyone nominate good hosts? Maybe... B Ward, M Malloy, Ed SChultz? I dont hear some of them , so i need you to nominate some.

You LW giants who have no debate experience, please stay OUT OF THE DEBATES. For everyone's sake.

[jean]

21. I don't think Schultz could think fast enough on his feet against o'r

[depakid]

24. Randi Rhodes sure could-

and wouldn't the fur fly at that "debate."

I doubt she'd lower herself to that level, though, unless she were paid a considerable sum of money or thought that it might land her show in a lot of new markets.

[Cat Atomic]

22. And as much as I hate to say it, I think Krugman lost.

We're living in a TV culture, where superficiality is king. On TV, what you say is actually less important than how you look when you say it. I think Krugman came off as weak, frightened, and shifty.

O'Reilly certainly came off as an arrogant jerk (as usual), but he completely dominated the segment.

Krugman is a brilliant man, and he's obviously much more informed and honest than Bill O'Reilly is- but none of that matters on television. Appearance is all that matters.

[rman]

28. there's only one way to get rid of superficiality:

not to engage in it, to contrast superficiality with rationality.

Many people won't see the contrast, they'll feel O'Reilly won. But some will see it. And next time a few more will see it.

[bpilgrim]

23. sign of the times

and no matter what we think about him he has a BIG MIC and all who lie AND have big mics MUST be challenged.

anyways... from what i read O'Really made a FOOL of him self per usual and THAT will help us and hurt the republicans in the long run as folks began to associate RADICALS with the repubs :evilgrin:

by NOT confronting these RADICALS and their CARTOON WV a looooong time ago has in its way contributed signifigantly to this very crisis we are ALL now dealing with.

now i am not suggesting the very opposite - mirror the radicals - no just present the facts and SMILE :evilgrin:

act shocked now and then by their RADICAL behavior whenever on DISPLAY ;->

ah, but wtf do i know... i'm STARVIN OVER HEAR for some 'RED MEAT' :P

peace

[NightOwwl]

25. I watched today, and I really like the way Krugman kind of

non-handles the situation. By letting Bill go into crazy mode, it shows Bill at his worst, and that can only be a good thing. Krugman may come off as looking meek and mild, but he gets some good shots in.

My favorites:

Bill: You are a quasi-socialist.
Paul: Well, you are a quasi-murderer.

Paul: This is not your show, you can't cut my mike.

There were many more, I juct can't remember them now. Hopefully there will be a transcript available.

[cmd]

26. It's hard, but I try to live by the old sayings.......

Never argue with an idiot - bystanders won't be able to tell the difference.

Never wrestle with a pig - you will only get dirty.

I broke down twice last week and did not come out any better.