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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-04 11:19 PM
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Poll question: Should the Democrats Oppose Goss?
My opinion is yes. To paraphrase something said in another thread: They already gave us Ashcroft, how much more pain do they expect us to endure?
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Dying Eagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-04 11:22 PM
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1. VERY BAD CHOICE
Edited on Mon Aug-16-04 11:22 PM by WI for Kerry
Hell he even admitted it himself, :wtf:
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-04 11:25 PM
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3. great image of Bush btw! n/t
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seventhson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-04 11:23 PM
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2. Goss is a Goebbels-like Fascist - OPPOSE!!!
nt
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-04 11:25 PM
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4. Yes. I don't understand why the "powers that be" tell the Democrats
not to oppose him. I don't know why we are trying to play nice with Karl Rove and company, with their attacks on Kerry. I don't understand why Kerry walked into the trap set by Bush that he would still support him for the war in Iraq.

Goss was against the 9/11 committee, was that Congressional oversight that the committee criticized and, as Maureen Dowd said on Bill Maher - will just be Cheney's lap dog.

What is going on??
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Nite Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-04 11:28 PM
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5. Absolutely oppose him.
Given some good reasons there should be some Repukes that don't vote for him either. We have a good case against him.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-04 11:32 PM
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6. Very interesting article - yes oppose Goss every step of the way!
This article appears in the August 20, 2004 issue of Executive Intelligence Review.

Senate Must Not Capitulate
To Blackmail on Goss Nomination
by Edward Spannaus

Were the Senate to go along with the Administration's provocative nomination of Rep. Porter Goss (R-Fla.) for CIA Director, it would mark a cowardly capituation to the stonewalling of any investigation of the crimes of Vice President Dick Cheney and his cronies in the Bush Administration. The Administration's obstruction has been aided greatly by the Republican leadership of key Congressional oversight committees, and in this, no one has exceeded the role played by Porter Goss, as chairman of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence.

Goss has blocked any investigation of three critical subject-areas clearly falling within his jurisdiction:

* The fabrication of intelligence on Iraq's weapons programs, under pressure from Cheney and other Administration officials, in order to justify the invasion of Iraq;

* The illegal disclosure by White House officials, of the identity of CIA covert operative Valerie Plame, in an effort to discredit her husband, former Ambassador Joe Wilson, who had debunked the fable that Saddam Hussein was trying to buy uranium "yellowcake" ore from Niger; and

* The abuse and torture of prisoners in Afghanistan, Iraq, and in secret detention centers operated by the CIA and the Pentagon, and apparently done at the behest of military and civilian intelligence officials.

(snip)

http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2004/3133goss_cia.html

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This article quotes retired CIA officials that say he is a bad choice.

"Retired Adm. Stansfield Turner, who was DCI in the late 1970s, called the nomination "a bad day for the CIA," and charged that Goss was chosen simply "to help George Bush win votes in Florida." "This is the worst appointment that's ever been made to the office of Director of Central Intelligence, because that's an office that needs to be kept above partisan politics," Turner said."
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-04 11:39 PM
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8. a few Goss quotes
October 9, 2002:

"Saddam Hussein, Osama bin Laden and their radical ilk are at the epicenter of terrorist activity in the Middle East. Nobody doubts that. It is not debatable. President Bush, Prime Minister Blair and others have made convincing cases about the threats the despotic Iraqi regime poses to world peace and stability today—today as well as tomorrow."
And he added:

"Iraq has expanded its weapons of mass destruction capabilities against its pledge not to. It still has deadly chemical weapons hidden throughout the country, and it has tried to develop nuclear devices as well. It is certain that Iraq has ties to many Islamic terror groups in the region, including Al Qaeda. Evidence supports Iraq's involvement in the first and probably the second World Trade Center bombing."
---
"No smoking gun," he said in 2002, when the Goss-Graham report was released.

--
(I am looking for the quote about Plame also, if anyone has it)
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nefarious Donating Member (132 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-04 11:35 PM
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7. Hmmm. . . . .
Porter Goss. Member of House Select Intel and Oversight.

9-11 terrorists spent considerable time training in his Florida district. Virtually everyone in intel and law enforcement knew they were there. But ambiguous "higher ups" in our government chose to protect the individuals.

Large quantities of narcotics enter the United States there on a daily basis.

Coincidences? Low priorities? Or just "oversight"?

When Porter Goss can manage his own district, then maybe he should look for a role with more global implications.

_____________________________________________________________
Allowing a terrorist attack or suspending elections is a failure of democratic government.

Pray for a decisive repeal to the Bush junta.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-04 11:43 PM
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9. another very good point n/t
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KT2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-04 11:45 PM
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10. Oppose! Oppose!
Heard that he was sponsor of a bill that would put CIA into domestic surveillance.

This is not America!!
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 12:03 AM
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11. Hell yes! Who cares what the Vichy Democrats have to say?
Anything less is appeasement!
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 12:06 AM
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12. Yes yes yes!
YES!
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milkyway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 12:13 AM
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13. Yes, unless you like the CIA bringing covert ops to your home town.
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tedzbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 12:31 AM
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14. Of course not.
God forbid they confuse the right into thinking Kerry isn't one of them.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 06:17 AM
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15. kick
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