'68: Hippies attack police clubs with their heads, causing Nixon to win

[G_j]

well, if you listen to a lot of people here that is what happened.

Here is a bit of history most don't know about, the fact that
an "October Surprise" was orchestrated that sabotaged the Vietnam peace talks. Just imagine how differently things might have turned out if the Paris talks were successful?

http://www.consortiumnews.com/2000/111300a.html
(snippets don't cover this, so I recommend reading the article)

The Secret History of Modern U.S. Politics
By Robert Parry

According to now overwhelming evidence, the Nixon campaign dispatched Anna Chenault, an anti-communist Chinese leader, to carry messages to the South Vietnamese government of Nguyen van Thieu. The messages advised Thieu that a Nixon presidency would give him a more favorable result.

Journalist Seymour Hersh described the initiative sketchily in his biography of Henry Kissinger, The Price of Power. Hersh reported that U.S. intelligence “agencies had caught on that Chennault was the go-between between Nixon and his people and President Thieu in Saigon. … The idea was to bring things to a stop in Paris and prevent any show of progress.”

In her own autobiography, The Education of Anna, Chennault acknowledged that she was the courier. She quoted Nixon aide John Mitchell as calling her a few days before the 1968 election and telling her: “I’m speaking on behalf of Mr. Nixon. It’s very important that our Vietnamese friends understand our Republican position and I hope you made that clear to them.”

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On Nov. 2, Thieu withdrew from his tentative agreement to sit down with the Viet Cong at the Paris peace talks, destroying Johnson’s last hope for a settlement. Though Johnson and his top advisers knew of Nixon’s gambit, they kept Nixon’s secret.

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This is also covered in the film "The Trials Of Henry Kissinger"
now available on DVD (this is MUST see anyway!)
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For lots more on this Google "October Surprise" with "Kissinger" & "Hersh" -"Humphrey" -"Nixon" -"Shorr" in various combinations.

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[Gman]

1. Then 12 years later

Bush I did the very same thing re the Iranian hostages for Reagan. The GOP is not above subverting foreign policy of the United States. So just which party is represented by traitors?

[DUreader]

2. Same thing happened in 2000 with the I/P Clinton peace talks

I'd have to research it to find some links, but some w* operative tanked

a peace initiative, at camp david iirc, in 2000. They promised Isr. a better deal under the shrub.

[G_j]

3. it has worked well for them

so of course they will continue the dirty tricks as long as they are allowed to get away with them.

[Kanary]

4. And as long as the populace don't know what the truth is,

they'll continue to vote for the GOP thugs.

We're going to have to develop a way to effectively speak the truth, and speak it loudly.

Kanary

[G_j]

9. and of all things LBJ

didn't expose Nixon's deceit after he found out about it.

[Kanary]

18. There are no shortages of outrages to be depressed about, is there?

I love this country, and I sometimes just marvel at what the Founders accomplished.

But there is such an overwhelming ugly side....... where did it all go wrong? I want to ask "Were the seeds of this ugliness planted right in the beginning efforts?", and I know they were. Yet, our leaders don't have to keep tending those seeds.

All professions seem to have this desire to circle and protect those who defile that profession. It doesn't make any sesne to me. The way to protect the integrity of a profession is to expose those who would abuse it.

Kanary

[tom_paine]

10. Yep, they DID sabotage the 2000 I/P Peace Talks

THAT STORY HAS PROBABLY ALREADY BEEN SCRUBBED FROM PRAVDA RECORDS, THOUGH.

[AP]

5. It's part of the same problem. How do you keep Vietnam on the table...

...as a campaign issue? Sabotage the peace talks. What happens when Vietnam is still raging? (1) It's all people think about and (2) People protest because of it.

What happens when people think Vietnam is the most important issue? Well, which party did people think was better on national security issues? Republicans. What happens when people protest? People think law and order is an important issue? They vote for the party they think is better on law and order. Who's that? Republicans.

Why are people so aggressvely dumb about what Bush is doing? He wants people to think ONLY about Iraq. He wants people to think there's a law and order problem in America that Dems might be responsible for. Those things help Republicans.

[G_j]

8. Nixon also said he had a "plan"

for ending the war and the American people desperately wanted out of Vietnam.

[AP]

15. Vietnam was the center of the debate, which benefitted Republicans because

of the perception that they are better on national security.

I doubt Nixon was saying he had a plan to surrender. He was saying that as a member of the party that was better on national security he was better able to end it.

[G_j]

16. He didn't give details

but his often repeated slogan was, "end the war and win the peace in Vietnam."

[Generic Other]

6. Was she married to the general who was with the Flying Tigers?

What a despicable man Nixon was. He cared nothing for humanity only for advancing his own power. He was the perfect Republican.

[G_j]

7. in the film "The Trials of Henry Kissinger"

one definitely gets the impression that he was even more dangerous than Nixon. It is amazing how much power that man was able to exercise.

[underseasurveyor]

11. Wasn't it Kissinger that said

The illegal we can do now, the unconstitutional will take a little longer.

Something along those lines.

[G_j]

12. yes it was

"The illegal we do immediately. The unconstitutional takes a little longer"

& a few more...

"I don't see why we need to stand by and watch a country go communist due to the irresponsibility of its people. The issues are much too important for the Chilean voters to be left to decide for themselves."

"Why should we flagellate ourselves for what the Cambodians did to each other?"

"Covert action should not be confused with missionary work." (Kissinger commenting on the U.S. sellout of the Kurds in Iraq in 1975)

[Cyrano]

13. To this country's shame, Kissenger is still walking around free

He needs to be deported to the Hague for a war crimes trial. (Hold the plane for a while. Maybe we can send Bush & Co. with them.

[underseasurveyor]

14. I was a pre-teen/teen when nixon was in office

and even at that time when most kids at that age don't pay much attention to politics, I still knew enough to know that nixon, kissinger, agnew, et al, were fooking evil bastards.

But let's see here.....:freak:
Helping Chilean's decide because they're irresponsible?
Helping Americans to Vote act?
Hm x(

I suppose the Iraqi people, much like the Cambodian's, have brought this upon themselves somehow x(

And with familiar sound-bites used in 1995, there are no covert actions going on in Iraq today. We are there to free and liberate Iraq's people with our good intentions and missionary works x(

:argh: arrrrgh
David Byrne and The Talking Heads jumps to mind.
'It's the same as it ever was.
The same as it ever was.
It's the SAME as it ever was.'

[G_j]

17. as we speak, there are signs of vote-fixing in Afghanistan. n/t