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UnderPaidMinion Donating Member (32 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 10:14 PM
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Has anyone here read Kerry's book "The New Soldier"?
Is there any way to get a copy of it? I have called several bookshops and none seem to be able to help.
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klook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 10:20 PM
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1. Several right-wing non-reviewers
on Amazon.com are looking for it along with you, so you've got competition.

Welcome to DU!
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A_Possum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 10:24 PM
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2. You'll be paying a lot
ABEbooks.com

Price range $750-2500
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UnderPaidMinion Donating Member (32 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 10:29 PM
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3. That's outrageous!
Why does the publisher not print up some new copies and satisfy the demand? I'm sure many of us Kerry supporters would snap up a copy or three.
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A_Possum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 11:18 PM
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4. Kerry probably has the rights back
Edited on Sun Aug-22-04 11:19 PM by A_Possum
It would depend on the original contract and how long the book has been out of print (normally you can ask for the rights back 6 months after the book is out of print and the publisher has a certain amount of time to decide whether or not to reprint it. As long as they keep it in print, it's theirs.)

It's also my understanding that the VVAW was involved in the contract somehow. So it may not be a very clear cut copyright situation, and Kerry may or may not want it reprinted anyway.

Off-topic, but I have a feeling that might be what happened with Lynne Cheney's old lesbian romance novel. The publisher was geared up to reprint earlier this year, but then suddenly changed their mind, because Cheney said "it wasn't her best work" or something. Normally that wouldn't matter, she wouldn't have any say about it if it was still under contract. But I doubt the publisher still really had the rights, although sometimes you have to get a specific release. Sometimes they just pretend they do. ;)

Anyway--lots of publishing contract legalities that could influence the reprint of any given book.

Oh, and if you want to read a good Kerry book, read TOUR OF DUTY.
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UnderPaidMinion Donating Member (32 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 11:34 PM
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6. Kerry may or may not want it reprinted anyway
I find it hard to believe an author would not want his writings in the public eye. TOD is good but I'd like to know as much as possible about he that would become the leader of America.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 11:59 PM
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9. amazing...
" find it hard to believe an author would not want his writings in the public eye. TOD is good but I'd like to know as much as possible about he that would become the leader of America."

LOL...can people really be this transparent and yet oblivious?

I have not read this book, but because all the freepers are having hard-ons about it, it must have a lot pictures. Freepers aren't fond of reading.

How many books has Bush written? How many books has Bush read, besides "my pet goat"?
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UnderPaidMinion Donating Member (32 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-23-04 12:06 AM
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11. Please explain
I not looking for nor do I desire any books by Bush. I'd like to read the thought of the person I plan to vote for President. What exactly is so amasing about that?
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A_Possum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-23-04 09:50 AM
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18. Speaking of oblivious. TOUR of Duty is NOT Unfit for Duty.
Half the time when I bring up the Douglas Brinkley book, which is the real thing, some DU'er gets all in a flap because it's "lying" book.

No indeed. It's the book, TOUR OF DUTY by Douglas Brinkley, a respected and multi-published historian, that kicked off the whole smearboat bunch cause it shows Kerry in a positive light and it pissed them off bigtime.

It's well worth reading, and would give you considerable insight into your candidate and lots of ammo to contradict the smearcreeps. So quit mixing 'em up and dissin' it, ok?

It'll be available in softcover in September. It's really annoying to me that while the freepers are making Unfit for Duty a bestseller, DU'ers don't even recognize Tour of Duty.

Read it.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-23-04 10:57 AM
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21. was this directed at me?
If so, I'm a little confused. I wasn't referring to tour of duty or unfit for duty....unless you were chastising me for not reading them?
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A_Possum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-23-04 11:33 AM
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24. Yeah, I have no idea what you are talking about
Are you talking about Kerry's old 1971 book, THE NEW SOLDIER? Why would freeps be thilled about that book???

This is most confused thread. And now some poor guy who just wanted to read Kerry's book has been tombstoned. That's too bad.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-23-04 12:07 PM
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27. the freeps are thrilled about it because they distort what Kerry said
and use it to attack him as some anti american commie sympathizer type.

and he wasn't some poor guy who just wanted to read kerry's book. he was a troll that kept implying kerry was a war criminal.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 11:57 PM
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8. LOL!
Your support of a book you haven't read is heartwarming.
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UnderPaidMinion Donating Member (32 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-23-04 12:01 AM
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10. Most books that people buy are those they have not read
I guess I don't get your point. What do you mean?
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-23-04 12:16 AM
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13. But most people who have not read a book...
are so hot for it they think publishers should reprint to address demand
...nor speculate that Kerry might not want it reprinted...." find it hard to believe an author would not want his writings in the public eye. "

but hey! everyone is different. Go for it!
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 11:21 PM
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5. Read "Tour of Duty"
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 11:39 PM
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7. I think that they have long excerpts over at Free Republic...
you may want to try there
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UnderPaidMinion Donating Member (32 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-23-04 12:07 AM
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12. No thanks
I don't do that website and I would like to read the entire book.
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nonkultur Donating Member (165 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-23-04 12:49 AM
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14. Apparently Regnery offered to reprint it.
Edited on Mon Aug-23-04 12:51 AM by nonkultur
You can guess how that turned out.
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CaTeacher Donating Member (983 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-23-04 01:34 AM
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15. I have read it! I used to own a copy!
I LOVE this book!!! Kerry should be passing it out at every event he has--it is one of the most wonderful anti-war books ever written--and Kerry is absolutely fabulous in explaining his position of peace!!!

The epilogue always makes me cry--it is very long--but my favorite part (all written by a young John Kerry--and every word shows how brilliant and incisive he was even at a young age!!!) is below:

We will not quickly join those who march on Veterans' Day waving small flags, calling to memory those thousands who died for the "greater glory of the United States." We will not accept the rhetoric. We will not readily join the American Legion and the Veterans of Foreign Wars-in fact, we will find it hard to join anything at all and when we do, we will demand relevancy such as other organizations have recently been unable to provide. We will not take solace from the creation of monuments or the naming of parks after a select few of the thousands of dead Americans and Vietnamese. We will not uphold traditions which decorously memorialize that which was base and grim.

It is from these things the New Soldier is asking America to turn. We are asking America to turn from false glory, hollow victory, fabricated foreign threats, fear which threatens us as a nation, shallow pride which feeds off fear, and mostly from the promises which have proven so deceiving these past ten years.

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lottie244 Donating Member (903 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-23-04 09:52 AM
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19. This is beautiful and shows the heart of the man. Why isn't this printed
in the major newspapers as a campaign ad with the heading: "What John Kerry Really Said and Believed about the Viet Nam War"

Why doesn't campaing print an excerpt from his testimony before Congress. And ask the question "Is the opposition really telling us that they glorify war and that are willing have more and more of our children die in foreign war for false reasons and for the military industrial complex...called Halliburton?"
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CaTeacher Donating Member (983 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-23-04 11:21 AM
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22. I agree. I think it is beautiful and brilliant.
Right now, we are trying to minimize Kerry's leadership in the anti-war movement--but to me that was when he truly was an American hero.

I am inspired by his beautiful words--which should be read by every peace activist. Kerry as an activist is very impressive. And it is that Kerry who I will be casting my vote for--the Kerry that has seen war--and prefers peace!

Lottie244--I appreciate being on the side of peace with you as well!
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thebigidea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-23-04 04:47 AM
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16. ask Larry Thurlow, maybe he'll give you some xeroxes.
You are so freakin' obvious.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-23-04 08:07 AM
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17. the thing I really don't get is the freeper obsession with...
antiwar sentiment. I've read Kerry's testimony before congress, and it is eloquent, and he's concerned about veterans, their safety, and doesn't want them abandoned or forgotten.
He thinks the war is A BAD IDEA™, a stance unpopular with the administration at the time, but honestly, don't we ALL think Vietnam was a bad idea, or at least executed poorly?
Even all my conservative friends (until this election year) thought so.

Suddenly NOW we've been put in the wayback machine and freepers are upset at Kerry's antiwar stance as if time had not proven him correct.

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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-23-04 09:55 AM
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20. troll has been tombstoned
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A_Possum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-23-04 11:28 AM
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23. WHAT TROLL???
Edited on Mon Aug-23-04 11:29 AM by A_Possum
Honestly, did you guys deep-six Underpaid because you mixed up TOUR OF DUTY with Unfit for Command?

This thread is totally messed up. Underpaid and I started talking about Kerry's book THE NEW SOLDIER, and then I suggested TOUR OF DUTY, the Brinkley book about Kerry.

And the a couple people seemed to confuse Unfit for Command, the O'Neill smear book, with TOUR OF DUTY, and starting attacking Unpaid over "recommending' it.

THERE WAS NEVER A TROLL IN THIS THREAD.

Fer pete's sake. Get the books straight.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-23-04 12:01 PM
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25. no, it wasn't just this thread
it's entire post history even those outside of this thread kept implying kerry was some war criminal and it kept putting up defenses of bush and the swiftboat assholes.

i know of the confusion regarding the tour of duty book. but it wasn't just that which got them tombstoned.

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A_Possum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-23-04 12:03 PM
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26. OK, if you say so
But it wasn't in this thread that I could figure out.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-23-04 12:10 PM
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28. it compared moveon.org to the swiftboat liars
and it kept implying kerry was a war criminal in other threads.

i have the search feature and i checked it's posts and all of them were anti kerry and defenses of the republican liars.
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A_Possum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-23-04 12:11 PM
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29. Ok, I stand corrected
Didn't have the whole picture.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-23-04 07:11 PM
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30. Underpaidminion was an obvious troll
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