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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 08:25 PM
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US To Attack N Korea At The End of October?
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US To Attack N Korea At
The End Of October?
From Bill Smirnow
8-24-4

From John Whitbeck -

Buried in an article in today's International Herald Tribune, without any particular emphasis, was a significant item of information: -- The United States has scheduled naval exercises off the coast of North Korea at the end of October.

I can imagine only one explanation for a decision to schedule such naval exercises (by definition, optional) at precisely that time. Bush-Cheney-Rove wants to have the option, if Bush's election does not appear assured in the week prior to election day, to either (1) seek to provoke a genuine North Korean attack on an American ship -- and retaliate or (2) in good Gulf of Tonkin style, claim a non-existent North Korean attack -- and retaliate or (3) launch a frankly "preventive" or "pre-emptive" attack against North Korea.

Where such courses of action would lead the region and the world cannot be determined in advance but, presumably, would be of limited concern to Bush-Cheney-Rove. Any of such alternative approaches to war would almost certainly assure the election of the Commander-in Chief on November 2.

http://www.rense.com/general56/october.htm
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mconvente Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 08:27 PM
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1. Big-time scary
Edited on Tue Aug-24-04 08:28 PM by mconvente
God help us if we start shit with North Korea. Unlike Iraq (which has no WMD) we know NK has them and will definitely use them if we fuck with them.
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genius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 08:28 PM
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2. Makes sense. We have to be at war on 11/2
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Stew225 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 08:31 PM
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4. Hey, North Korea is too macho. Let's attack
Monaco instead!
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Radius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 08:33 PM
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5. not monaco!
cool place. Casino's, clubs, and formula 1 all in one place.
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Radius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 08:29 PM
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3. These
Are very common. We piss off the Chinese operating with Japan and Taiwan every year. We used to piss off the Soviets in Europe moving equipment all over the place.

If we were going to attack North Korea, which has a million man standing army, and thousands of artillery tubes pointed at Seoul, I dont think we would tip them off. Just my opinion.

I don't think the North Koreans are going to come out to open waters and shoot at us either.
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djg21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 08:34 PM
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7. I agree.
We simply cannot sustain a war in Afghanistan, a war in Iraq, and onein North Korea too.
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 10:13 PM
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18. don't forget
iran



peace
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 08:36 PM
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8. I hope you are right. Perhaps * wants to do something that just
looks tough to boost the base.
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Ouabache Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 10:10 PM
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17. boost the base and use it to twist WHATEVER Kerry says about it
in the few days before the election in order to have a 'smear boost' that Kerry can't counter in the limited few days before the election.


I put nothing past Rove.
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neverforget Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 08:33 PM
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6. Just an exercise. No way we can fight another war now. Mostof our
forces are in Iraqnam.
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 08:39 PM
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9. Stupid.
And then watch Seoul disappear in a rain of artillery fire? Somehow I don't think so.
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Poiuyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 08:55 PM
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10. I heard it was going to be Iran
Not as tough as NK but tougher than Iraq. Stupid move just to win an election. Oh wait...I forgot who we were dealing with.
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highnooner Donating Member (373 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 09:02 PM
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11. link to iht.com article
please?
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IA_Seth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 09:27 PM
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14. Perhaps...
Edited on Tue Aug-24-04 09:28 PM by IA_Seth
Perhaps WMD-wise North Korea is further advanced than Iran, but according to the CIA Factbook the number of people "fit for military service" is significantly higher in Iran (around 21 million in Iran to 6 million in North Korea).

Fighting an occupational war you really have to consider all able-bodied citizens - not that all of them will necessarily fight, but they provide the base for any type of insurgency.

I don't think Iran would be a walk in the park by any means.
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Zech Marquis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 09:04 PM
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12. mass genocide
any kind of pre emptive attack on NK, and one day (if any of us are left alive), there'll be one mor ename added to the History Channel's Faces of Terror specials :nuke: :scared:
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jus_the_facts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 09:16 PM
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13. A RENSE article in LBN......fo' shame.....
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Radius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 09:34 PM
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15. AP
This was in ap and afp without the "analysis".

Just a wargame release in MSM.
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 09:56 PM
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16. Two scenarios. Neither one very hopeful.
If Bush wins election, these will be mere naval exercises--although why holding them off the coast of North Korea is so important is beyond me. Naturally, this is the "bad" option.

The "even worse" option is if John Kerry wins. At that point, one of those ships will have an accidental launcher that accidentally fires a live Tomahawk cruise missile at the capitol building in Pyongyang. Whether it hits, falls harmlessly to the ground or gets shot down really doesn't matter here (except to the poor bastards that are in the capitol building when it gets hit); the North Korean People's Army (NKPA) response will be to flatten Seoul with FROG-7 rockets. I do not think they'll use their special weapons--the NKPA has enough high-explosive warheads for FROG-7s that they can do a number on Seoul without pulling out the really nasty stuff. (Remember, Seoul is only 37 miles up the road from North Korea, and radiation carries on the wind.)

After Seoul is reduced to smoking rubble, Bush will scream about how Kerry didn't save Korea from this fate, how Kerry didn't protect Seoul from annihilation, how Kerry was a terrible choice for the security of the world. And possibly one of our less-whorish media types will grow a pair, stand up and gently point out that George W. Bush, not John Kerry, is currently serving as the president of the United States and it it currently the job of George W. Bush, not John Kerry, to not tell the Navy to fire Tomahawk missiles at countries we're not at war with, so just exactly what the fuck is your point?

Actually, if Bush had this done you would see the fastest impeachment, arraignment on criminal charges, prosecution, conviction and execution in the history of the world--there is no way you can have nine million people killed in one afternoon and not be taken out back and shot. But we are talking George Bush, who has no moral compass at all...
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Lost147 Donating Member (158 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 11:15 PM
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19. ugh
I would have supported a war against N Korea over Iraq but honestly now its like fool me once shame on you fool me twice shame on me
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Citizen Daryl Donating Member (693 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 11:18 PM
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20. October Surprise: ARMAGEDDON n/t
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 11:23 PM
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21. It would help to explain North Korean leaderships' name calling of Bush
Let's see, they called him Hitler, and human trash, and a few others that I rather admired, even if there was a lot of pot-kettle in the accusations. Starting a war in late October seems far fetched, until you stop and consider what Bush has already done, and the Republican Party's love of the October surprise.
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