These filthy Kelley rumors about *, Pickles & 41 are disgusting.

[Jackpine Radical]

If you can't say something nice about people, come sit over here by me.

[Trajan]

1. Ok ... Im ignorant ....

I have no idea what you are referring to ....

[wurzel]

3. Someone named Kelley wrote a totally negative book about the Bush family.

[progressivebydesign]

28. Kitty Kelly is the queen of unauthorized and steamy bios.

She's well known, and has sold millions of copies. Her target audience is not Democrats... oddly enough.

[alarimer]

55. I don't give her a lot of creedence

It sounds mostly like gossip and rumors to me. I believe that most of the people who like this sort of thing probably won't vote at all so I am not sure if this will help us or not. But it will get a lot of attention and might deflect some of the Swift Boat glare.

[saracat]

116. Nonsense.Those ARE the people who vote!

Look who pay attention to the SBVFT. Voters.Stupid, but Voters!

[alarimer]

121. Probably you are right

I just equate Kitty Kelley with National Enquirer level of "truth" as far as I know neither one of them has written a true word except by accident. Even though she goes after people I generally don't like (the Reagans, the Bushes) I don't think we should be celebrating this book.

[saracat]

124. In a perfect world, I'd agree.

I think the Bushie's are probably ready to torpedo the book, but I would like a little red meat to throw to the herds.We need a little ray of hope and if this gives people a chuckle at the thought of slamming these conscienceless bastards I'm all for it! Go, Kitty!

[Jackpine Radical]

134. Surprisingly, both Kelley & the Nat'l Enq are generally pretty good

with their facts. Kitty's never been sued successfully for libel, & the Enq got its act straight a number of years ago after some major libel suits. They both publish sleaze, but it's TRUE sleaze.

[aquart]

140. And the Bushes are truly sleazy.

[DieboldMustDie]

62. "They have wielded enormous financial power...

and dominated world politics for more than half a century. They have been appointed to positions of great power and have been elected as governors, congressmen, senators and presidents. They have shaped our past and, with our country at war under the leadership of their number one son, they are, more critically than ever, shaping our future.

"As the Bush family has risen to dominance, so too they have been master orchestrators of their own public image, acting and operating under the shield of privacy their money and status have always afforded them. Until now.
.
.
.

"Perhaps most impressive--and surprising--is the way the book delves behind the obsessively protected public image into the family's intimate private lives: the matriarchs, the mistresses, the marriages, the divorces, the jealousies, the hypocrisies, the golden children, and the black sheep.

"At a crucial point in American history, Kitty Kelley is the one person to finally tell all about the family that has, perhaps more than any other, defined our role in the modern world. This is the book the Bushes don't want you to read. This is The Family."

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/stores/detail/-/books/0385503245/reviews/102-4096732-1848155#03855032453000

[wurzel]

69. But the Bush's don't seem very bright do they?

I mean no disrespect, but none of the Bush's seem to have an above average IQ. Or lower than average either. So how did they do it?

[chookie]

86. They have a recessive gene for idiocy

It goes back generations. Poppy has it to some degree. George W has quite a bit more; Neil is almost all idiot; Jeb is least affected by it, but then again, he is pure Barbara, which is to say, pure concentrated evil. Barbara will be shown to be the driving force in the family. If she wasn't there, picking GHWB in the ass constantly, and making everyone's lives sheer hell, they would never have achieved their seat at the pinnacle of power, and poised to rule dynastically for the foreseeable future.

How do they do it? Money and social connections. And a deep sense of entitlement. If you know ANYTHING about royal families, you will know that they tend to be shockingly dimwitted and dull and inclined to the criminal, and our American aristocracy is no different. We're not talking Horatio Alger -- we're talking dynasty. My dear, there are people who NEVER have to work. At best, they pay other people to make them look like "men of the people."

This same "Establishment" were responsible for the rise of Richard Nixon. He at least was extremely intelligent and hard-working, but they eventually corrupted him; he did not have the strength of character to resist their evil influence.... GHW Bush was never at any point in his life a decent fellow, so there was nothing that they could corrupt -- he is TRULY one of "them"....

But Dick knew George HW. Thought he was an idiot. Despised him because such a stupid man rose to power without having worked for it, as Richard Nixon certainly had.

[wurzel]

89. Do they have real power? Or are they a front for something else?

[chookie]

90. Power, but not total power

They are not yet autocrats. They have to at least be pretending to appear to be part of a democracy. They still need us for now, but they won't need us for much longer. They're becoming much more independent and self-sustaining.

Their power resides in what they can achieve for the M/I Establishment. George W has done a superb job for them. Then again, he is one of them. For all their failings and misrule, Nixon and Reagan were NOT part of the establishment -- they were merely used by them. Now they don't require "outsiders."

[Jackpine Radical]

91. I'm inclined to agree with Wurzel.

There are some dark forces at work behind the scenes in the world that use people like the Bushes and the Habsburgs as their tools. For lack of a better or more specific term, I often refer to them as the "Illuminati."

[Cleita]

93. Well, there is Assnold, an outsider, but maybe he's

more inside than we think.

[aquart]

141. Aristocracy, my ass.

Trailer trash with a trust fund. They have no class. Their manners are beyond sleazy.

You want to meet aristocrats, get in line to meet Bill Clinton, Senator Hillary Clinton, and Chelsea Clinton. Take a second look at Al Gore.

It is endlessly amazing that people with such advantages as the Bushes could turn out so painfully low rent.

[Jackpine Radical]

7. Sorry--here's a link.

http://colombia.indymedia.org/news/2004/09/16349.php

[papau]

11. But should we run a negative campaign?

It reveals alleged sex offenses against minors by Dubya's father.

It reveals the use of the White House by male hookers under Dubya.

It reveals Bush's evil plans for YOU (details of which you will have to get elsewhere), which should alarm you.

It reveals crooked business deals by every member of the Bush clan, including the oh-so-holy first lady, Laura "Round Heels" Bush.

It reveals how former first lady Babs Bush is almost a practicing witch.

It reveals how Dubya has had a very special friend in the mayor of a Tennessee city, who has has cohabited the Texas ranch many times.

It reveals the details of embarassing photographs of Bush that actually caused U.S. Govt. agents to perpetrate the anthrax mailings to destroy the building of National Enquirer and kill photo editor Stevens.

It reveals how you can get surprisingly close to America's Darth Vader.

It reveals the incredible relationship between Dubya and some famous televangelists.

It reveals intimate details gleaned from persons close to Bush in Crawford, Texas.

It reveals the filth of Bush's ancestors, the most shocking family in US history.

It reveals how Bush plans additional wars for oil, under the pretense of fighting terrorism and defending Israel -- these are just pretenses, the real reason is we are running out of oil.

It reveals Dubya's Oedipus complex with Babs, his love/hate relationship with his father, some surprising medical details about Dubya, including an explanation of why he is so burnt out.

It reveals the little-known relationship between Laura and Gen. Tommy Franks.

It reveals how Dubya's dad got the nickname "Rubbers" from Congressional colleagues.

It reveals how the Bushes plotted to kill Ronald Reagan and put Poppy Rubbers in the White House.

It reveals the involvement of Bush Sr. in the Colombia and South America drug trade.

It reveals Dubya's participation in the sexual/occult Rites of Onan and the Skull and Bones at Yale University.

It reveals who runs Bush, and it is not Round Heels.

It reveals murders committed by the Bush family.

It reveals why George W. Bush, as heir to the Bush Dynasty, is the greatest threat the US and the world has ever faced.

[peacetalksforall]

14. I've never read any of her other books, but I would want to

say that instead of 'revealing', it might only 'point to' old stories. On the other hand, if it provides more documentation than we've ever had before, it will work.

[bahrbearian]

15. What does "Round heels" stand for or mean?

[Demoiselle]

27. A term for a sexually "loose" woman...

If your heels are round, you'll fall over flat on your back all the more quickly. Clearly this only applies to women who are "loose" in the Missionary position.

[private_ryan]

72. clear heels too

the new hoe uniform as Chris Rock says.

[MikeG]

19. How do you know this?

Do you have a link?

On edit - Never mind

Found it

http://colombia.indymedia.org/news/2004/09/16349.php

[Joanne98]

24. Oh No! Don't run a negative campaign. It will make us look bad! n/t

[Stephanie]

125. Did you see the comments at that link? "you anti-Freedom wackjobs"

Riiiiight
por BushMan Saturday September 04, 2004 at 12:06 PM

I truly hope all that insane crap is in the book ... because it will show you anti-Freedom wackjobs for what you are. You're really beginning to unravel as you watch it all slip away, aren't you?

[Cleita]

35. Oh damn, I'm reserving my copy today!

I hope she does the same for Arnold Schwarzenegger.

[TrustingDog]

48. the Franklin coverup

[TrustingDog]

49. more info link here on Franklin.

http://www.thelawparty.com/FranklinCoverup/franklin.htm

[louis c]

101. I guess if that story

is in Kelly's book, we have some documentation.

Looks like a story to me.

[Bush_Eats_Beef]

58. I plan to buy the book, BUT...

"Dubya's Oedipus complex with Babs, his love/hate relationship with his father"...

Old news to me. I've lost track of how many times I've used "Oedipus complex" in my posts. It's classic, it's "textbook," it's sick as a mo-fo.

It will be interesting to see what kind of ripple the book makes in the pre-November 2nd pond.

[Booster]

120. I just pre-ordered the book from Amazon. Also,

pre-ordered Graham's book. This book business is costing me a fortune; silly I know, but sometimes I just buy the book to get the sales up, like Clinton's - I never intent to read any book with over 900 pages on one subject, but I wanted it to do good. Shallow, huh?

[Stephanie]

126. He always snipes at his mother in public

He never fails to get in a dig at her. Even the granddaughters did it the other night. What does that mean in the Oedipal analysis?

[Kanary]

68. I understand your frustration and disgust, however......

it's important to get our facts straight.

"It reveals how former first lady Babs Bush is almost a practicing witch. "

I'm assuming you used this in order to avoid the "b" word. Maybe you aren't aware of it, but there are a growing number of witches in this country, and I would hazard the guess the they are ALL "on our side".

There are many on this list.

The Pagan religion very much espouses beliefs which would land on the left side of the scale. So, let's please not demean them. I would say that if Babs were indeed a "practicing witch", she would be a much different person.

We could only wish for that......

Kanary

[Yupster]

73. Don't want to lose the

witch vote.

Now there's a special interest group you better note get cross with.

[Kanary]

79. I figured I could count on someone to give a snotty reply

So much for the "big tent", eh?

So much for common respect and courtesy for those who are different from you, eh?

And that makes this sort of statement different from the RW,........ how?

R-E-S-P-E-C-T.

Don't leave home without it.

Kanary

[Athame]

87. You are correct, Kanary

and thank you, from a practicing witch.

Blessed be.

[prodigal_green]

117. while I personally have no more problem with Wicca than any

other religion, some of the talibaptists who think the chimp is the second coming do.

This could be very harmful to his campaign.

[roguevalley]

132. it took her a long time to write this because everyone was scared to

talk but she never writes something without about three sources. She's smart, cagey and amazing. Never been sued Kelly.

[aquart]

142. And the divorced Bush is beautifully bitter, I hear.

Neil's ex?

[ignatius 2]

83. Wow,it sounds like stuff in the book we at DU don't even know about. I sa

bring it on Ms. Kelley.

[goclark]

21. I have always loved Kitty Kelly!

And I adore her now. I will be standing in line on Sept. 14th to get multiple copies. One I will get for my Republican friend who loves and believes gossip. I wonder if she'll believe this block buster!

Most of the items in the link have been in circulation for a long time.Where there is this much smoke there is usually a fire.

The Bush family simply says that items like these are LIES. Well if they are, let them prove it!

The Democrats did not buy off Kitty Kelly! John Kerry is far too decent a guy to have anything to do with this book. Kitty Kelly has been writing about celebrities for years. If she was telling so many lies in the past,she would have been sued and not trusted ever again.

If she is a Swift Boat Liar then let the Bush family prove that she is wrong! It's all on them!

Remember how stupid we were in 2000? We let Babs tell the American people to "forgetaboutit." That was no lie,I am sure Bush should have received 20 DUI if the Bush Crooks didn't save him.

Let them stew in their own chicken this time. I don't feel a damn thing for them.

[chookie]

66. Why Ms Kelley wrote the book

She reminds me of a great 18th century novelist. She is enthralled by the roller coaster of life. She is fascinated by human nature -- particularly how prominent people create fictional identities for themselves, and what tragedies and disfunction that these personas attempt to hide.

I have never found her to be vindictive, or cruel, nor does she have any political agenda. She simply has a talent for peeking inside public personas, and revealing the realities behind them. Her writing style is very good and most entertaining, but they also reveal great sensitivity to the human condition. One is just as likely to feel deep compassion for the subjects of her books -- as their very human vulnerabilities are revealed -- as be revolted by them.

Her books are very well researched -- remarkably so. I have always been amazed at how she has been able to elicit information even from people close to the subjects -- she must come across as a highly sympathetic ear for them to release themselves to.

Yes, the BFEE will attempt to discredit this book, but they will not succeed. It will be very widely read, because Ms Kelley's entertaining style is imposible to resist. The story she will outline will be absolutely breathtaking and fascinating -- and utterly true.

Ms Kelley did not choose the Bush family in order to affect the elections or decide the course of history, or to expose them to the American people -- she chose them as a subject because she has the insight into character to know that they must have a lot of very interesting secrets, and that their story -- their TRUE story -- is utterly fascinating.

I can't wait for this book. I have had it on order for close to a year now. There are a lot of questions I have had about the Bush Crime Family that I know will at last be answered accurately.

Bravo, Ms Kelley!

[goclark]

78. Bravo to a patriot, KK

[chookie]

84. I love her, but she's no patriot

She doesn't have a political motive. She merely has a nose for fascinating human sagas, and has recently expanded into multi-generational sagas, in the manner of an 18th century novelist, and makes a lot of money writing about them.

Sure, people may question the timing of the release, but believe me -- it's not to affect the election, but to maximize sales. Period. Honestly.

Who will be her next subject? It could well be one of *our* heroes.... But I would still read it. It would be fascinating. I don't think of my fellow human beings as comic book characters -- I know they have varying shares of greatness, and frailty, wisdom and idiocy. I want to *understand* people, not deify them, or destroy them.

People are ASSUMING that this book is going to be some hatefest, or some vicious agenda against the Bush Crime Family -- but that is not its intent. Indeed, a lot of very creepy stuff will come out, because they are utterly creepy freaks, but if there is any morsel of sympathetic human qualities in any of these monsters, Kitty will write of that too.

[goclark]

105. I agree, she is not doing it for us

She is doing it in her on going series of books about famous people.

If it sheds more light on the Bushcrooks than that is enough for me.
I have read all of her books and I am a fan.

The fact that she is writing about the Crooks is COMPELLING.

[Fla Dem]

42. I'm sorry, but that sound like National Enquirer stuff.

I would love more than anything to have some verifiable sleaze come out on GWB, but if you read the list of things the book is going to reveal, it's way over the top. Crap like that will only hurt the Democrats. I believe in hitting hard, especially against this administration, but when we do, it just has to be credible.

[Jackpine Radical]

64. The Dems aren't doing it.

Kitty K is an independent agent with no Dem or 527 or whatever money behind her. It's easy for Kerry to deny any connections or knowledge because there are none.

[prodigal_green]

118. she's never been sued for libel

which means she has *enough* facts to keep her stories just this side of credible.

[Stephanie]

127. Unless it's all TRUE

What then? What if everything in that list is in the book, and what if it's all documented and true. Then what? How can facts be "over the top"? Facts are facts.

I imagine a book like this is vetted by an army of lawyers.

[VOX]

96. Well, like the RW says about the SwiftTurds: "It can't **all** be lies!"

I mean, there's got be be some truth in there, doesn't there?

:evilgrin:

[Cha]

143. You mean like...

Where there's Smoke ..there's Fire!? }(

[TheDonkey]

122. seems too outrageous, but it'll be interesting to see how she's backs this

up.

The SmearBoats for Bush also seemed outrageous and we saw where that went

[Catfight]

2. rumor? or facts?

[movonne]

5. FACT !!!! Kitty Kelly (she has done other unauthorized bio's)

very popular.

[tinanator]

108. sounds factual to me, but not as good as these 'uns

http://www.tarpley.net/bush21.htm

[AgadorSparticus]

119. i can't imagine that she will put out unfounded info since this will be

under a legal microscope. the telling tale will be whether the bushies just whine about it or if they actually spread their legal wings. of course, this puts them between a rock and a hard place. sue kelley and prop up her book some more or grin and bear it??

<me with a big ass grin on my face>

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

4. Oh, I don't know...

I cannot help but wonder how...enriched we are gonna be knowing all this. I mean, it is delicious dish, with that extra spice of schaedenfreude and, of course, perhaps that little smidgen of Divine Retribution, but...well...it's Kitty Kelley.

Knowhuddamean?

At the end of the day, I would buy into a lot of this a lot more if it was coming from Mike Signorile.

[koopie57]

9. I see your point

but when I look around at those people at the RNC and how they were ignorant, tunnel vision critters and then all those who believe Kerry shot himself in Vietnam and all that other SB garbage I can't help but feel this will be quite damaging to *. The average person doesn't know who Mike Signorile is but I think they do tend to trust Miss Kelley.

[progressivebydesign]

26. We're not the people that matter in this..

.. we actually read intelligent things. It's the Enquirer buying, gossip-mongering, voters that are the target market for this.. not the Democrats. They're the ones that count. I'll buy and read it for the entertainment value. What the Bush family does or doesn't do makes no difference to me.. Bush's policies and agenda as president are what matters. But.. I can't help but feel some delicious satisfaction seeing the Bush's "blue dress" hung out for the world to see (true or not).

[louis c]

103. The book will certainly push the Swiftliers for Bush

off the front page.

[roguevalley]

133. I find such hair splitting beyond the point. It could be God almighty

writing this and it wouldn't matter. If it isn't true, they have nothing to worry about. Facts are facts and the message is the point, not the messenger. If the bushies want to try and minimize the truth by killing the messenger, they will fail. A lot of pundits that we all really like have had their heads up their asses for four years, even signorille. Kitty Kelly is showing MASSIVE guts here doing this, a project I believe she has been working on since dimwit was a governor. I for one salute her. The message matters. I know all that blather about the messenger cred and all but so what? If they don't think she's four square, sue her. No one has ever proven ONE THING was false that she's ever written. I've read her books. She's amazingly careful about what she commits to paper. Where is Signorille? He has probably drawers full of stuff but no book. Give me the truth from whatever messenger we can get. The truth must get out.

[madmax]

6. Steel Magnolias

To Kitty Kelly - I worship the quick sand she walks on. ;)

[Jackpine Radical]

81. Bless yo heart, MadMax.

[radwriter0555]

100. I love her more than my luggage...

and "I wear a size 6, but a 7 feels so good, I buy an 8."

(shoes)

[Mad_Dem_X]

136. You are too twisted for color TV! LOL

I love that movie.

[still_one]

8. it will only preach to the crowd

[bahrbearian]

10. I'm trying to visualize those 3 together? Excuse me I think I'm getting....

[mbee]

12. It would put the icing on the cake if Neil Bush's wife released

her book at the same time. Does anyone know the date for that one?

[TXDemGal]

115. I think Sharon Bush's book may have been killed

but I bet she was one of the main sources, if not THE main source, for Kelley's new book. Can't wait 'til it comes out! :evilgrin:

[DemNoir]

13. It meets the Brit Hume standard of

"Some people say" It may even rise to the level of "Questions have been raised"

[City Lights]

16. It also meets the poopy bush standard, of

all these people can't be lying.

[WilliamPitt]

17. Raise your hand if you see this as a disaster in the making

*raising hand*

Just a gut feeling. I know I am going to get swarmed by people who want all of this stuff to be true, but I don't know...this reminds me of the 'other' 9/11 book that came out at the same time as "Forbidden Truth."

Call me crazy, but I'm cringing.

[vetwife]

18. Hand raised.......

They don't get backlash but we do !

[monobrau]

111. exactly

Anybody that says this is good hasn't been paying attention. There is more than enough dirt on this chump already and it doesn't stick because people are blinded. Votes are going to swing on the economy and the war.

[eeyore]

22. Hand raised over here...

The right wing attack dogs are going to apoplecticly discredit this. Kitty Kelly has never dealt with the likes of O'Reilly and Hannity.

The Dems will be wise to step far away from her when this comes out. The media will lie and say that Kerry is behind it, and the sheep will baaaah loudly in agreement - truth or not.

-eeyore

[sendero]

57. And all the while....

... more and more people will hear of the "scurillous allegations" and it will be all over the news for weeks.

Nobody is going to be able to make any credible claim that Kerry is in any way connected to this, quite unlike the swift boat ads.

I'm keeping my hand down. If you think the "vince foster", "travelgate" etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, bullshit didn't hurt Clinton, think again.

It's time for SOMEONE to blow a gaping hole in the ridiculous veneer of respectablity enjoyed by the Bush family. If it takes KK to do it, well that is just fine. We live in a tabloid world, get used to it.

[goclark]

107. It's what Enquiring Minds want to know...

You are so right.
The average voter is not reading the WSJ and the NY Times.
Some are reading the Enquirer in the grocery line.
Most are looking at Fox News.
Some are looking at the Born Again Christians stations.

I met a man today that said that Jesus is for Bush! That is what we are up against. These people are not reading anyone's book. They are just waiting for their Minister and GW to tell them what to do.

[chookie]

67. Ms Kelley is not political

She can honestly say that she has no agenda.

She chose them as a subject because they are so secretive, have created such an elaborate public person that has zip to do with reality. Their persona masks a most fascinating story.

Kelley is in this for the fascinating story. This book will be breathtakingly revealing. Yes, there will be disturbing details, but prepare to finally understand what the life of these people is really like.

The reason the book is being released at this time is not to affect the election, but simply good marketing. And that's the truth.

The Dems can also honestly claim to have no involvement in this book. Honestly. They may be secretly delighted that revelations -- at long last -- of the iniquities of the Bush Crime Family will cause the BCF to lose support throughout the country -- but they will NOT be able to associate themselves with this book because, as we will shortly see -- it is NOT political. It's going to be purely human. It will be fascinating. It is not meant to be damaging. It seeks only to tell a fascinating story.

[Junkdrawer]

25. Hmmmm....Babs as a practicing witch...

*raises hand*

Wouldn't be the first time Rove has diluted damaging information by getting *someone* to wrap the bad news in a wrapper of over-the-top lies.

BTW: Babs is something that rhymes with 'witch', but I don't think she practices much.... :evilgrin:

[tblue37]

70. I think you are mistaking

a metaphorical reference for a literal one. The poster isn't saying that Babs is being called a practicing witch in the book, but that the way the book depicts her show her to be such a bitch that people will be astonished.

There is plenty of evidence to support her nastiness. It isn't "over the top" to describe it.

[Junkdrawer]

74. From an earlier post (which appeared in GD just before this post)...

It reveals how former first lady Babs Bush is almost a practicing witch.


http://colombia.indymedia.org/news/2004/09/16349.php

[tblue37]

102. Again,

that is a metaphorical reference, like saying, "She is almost a praticing ax murderer."

[Junkdrawer]

75. PS: as I said, rhymes with 'witch' IS accurate. Check out Salon...

Apparently, Jimmy Allison's advice was not appreciated. In Hobe Sound, Bush senior kept trying to avoid talking with Jimmy about the RNC, Allison said. Then later, as the Allisons took their leave, Barbara "thanked" them for their Christmas present with unexpected cruelty. "She said, 'I'm so sorry, but we've been so busy this year that we didn't have time to do anything for our political acquaintances.' I swear to God, I'll never forget those two words as long as I live. For her to say that was absolutely appalling. Mind you, Jimmy was an old, old friend. And I had stayed as a houseguest with the Bushes, been invited in my pajamas into their bedroom to read the papers and drink coffee while Bar rode her exercise bicycle.

"Big George was just stricken by this," Allison continued. "There was a wet bar in the hall on the way to the front door. He grabbed this moldy bottle of Mai Tai that he said had been given to him by the president of China, and he said we just had to have it. Then he plucked this ostrich egg in a beaded bag from a shelf that he said had been given to him by the ambassador to the U.N. from Nigeria or someplace, and gave it to us. Can you imagine how embarrassing that was?" (The alcohol was likely a bottle of Mao-Tai, a strong Chinese liquor.)

...

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2004/09/02/allison/

[aquart]

146. Astonished that Babs is a bitch?

No.

[MikeG]

30. After the swift boat shit - let her rip.

A certain percentage will believe it.

Those are the Rove rules.

[Mad_Dem_X]

137. I agree - go, Kitty!

It's time get in the ring and FIGHT!!!!

[Joanne98]

31. Kerry doesn't have to endorse it. He can't control kitty Kelly.......n/t

[TacticalPeek]

41. Kerry can even cleverly distance himself.

"I would urge the President to join me in calling for an end to ALL books."

(and their shadowy publishers)

[GiovanniC]

54. Bush and Rove Have Been Itching For a Book Burning

Don't give them any ideas.

[bvar22]

77. "Put an end to all books!" Good one!

This will be read by the mushy middle crowd that are primarily republican voters (and myself for fun). Doesn't matter if it is mostly gossip or unsupported accusations. bush* counts on his constituency being uneducated and susceptible to gossip.

This will hurt him*, so I support it.

(4 years ago, I would have condemned it!)

[Joanne98]

97. LOL good one

[nolabels]

123. Even the one about the goats?

\

Ja olien er lige frem DYREBAR for Bush og hans venner

http://bush.1go.dk/bush/bush03.htm

[Jackpine Radical]

138. Udmaerket! Det var meget lystig.

Mange tak.

[Stephanie]

128. LOL!

"That's why I signed the Patriot Act, so we would know which books people were reading. But if they're going to keep printing new books, I think we ought to agree to put a stop to it."

[grasswire]

34. Dems in leadership...

....should disavow any knowledge of the book.

"I haven't read it" works pretty well.

Dems in leadership are going to be baited to respond to the allegations.

"Senator Kerry, do you think it's hypocritical for your opponent to make policy denying homosexuals certain rights while he's involved in a gay relationship, as Kitty Kelley says?"

Our team had better get ready to brush it off.

[oldcoot]

59. Kerry's response

Kerry should point out that just because someone makes an allegation does not make it true as the recent lies told by the "Swiftboat Veterans for Truth" indicates. Kerry can talk about how he thinks that Bush is a moral and honest man while one of his relatives can follow the example of Daddy Bush and talk about how the book is compelling.

[Generic Other]

36. When Kitty Kelly speaks

the Enquirer, the Globe, the Star and all their bon bon eating, yo-yo dieting, Jerry Springer watching readers have orgasms.

Anything that pulls Bush down to the level of Michael Jackson or OJ Simpson in the public's eye is a good thing.

I will not raise my hands, because I know that every grocery store in America will carry the headlines which will be placed prminently before the checkout stands. Whether they read the magazines or not, they will see the accusations. And everyone knows that where scandal and dirty linen are concerned, the Enquirer usually gets it right.

[Joanne98]

99. My mother believed every word of the Enquirer and she was a Repub..

OH GOD I CAN'T WAIT. Will Oprah Winfrey have her on? She had ARNOLD ON. Maybe Dr. Phil can explain the mother, father, son Freud stuff. 12 more days 12 more days........

[goclark]

130. I met Opray will not touch it with a ten foot pole

She would have to get permission from her girlie friend Maria S, and Marie would get permission from AAArnold.

[IdaBriggs]

37. Ah, but she's neither in the campaign, or a 527 --

So what can anyone do? She's simply an extremely popular, well loved, best selling author! She's going to get A LOT of publicity for this -- and it should be FUN! Personally, I'm looking forward to it Much More than I really Should.

Bottom line is there are some things we can't do anything about, and Kitty Kelley is one of them. Time to sit back and enjoy the ride!!!

[madfloridian]

76. Hands down. We can not censor Kitty Kelley . Sorry.

If it backfires it backfires.

[Jackpine Radical]

82. Backfires on whom?

Kitty? Her publisher?

[madfloridian]

85. Does not matter.

I don't think it will backfire that much on us, if that is what you mean. A person said hands up if we thought it would backfire on us, and I don't think it will.

I mean that she has a right to write her book. We can not worry if it backfires.

Oops meant to reply to Jackpine.

[chookie]

80. Buck up, Will

The wacko Frenchies who wrote "the other book" were unknown. Kelley is, however, very famous and her books are extremely popular. She has credibility and a wide readership here and abroad.

Second, there will be no overlap between any of the serious books written about the Bush Crime Family and this one. This will strictly deal with their fascinating personal lives. Many people who would never read a "serious" book will read this one, because it is going to be incredibly interesting and entertaining.

Those of you who are too "pure" to read Kelley may be surprised to find out that she is not politically motivated. In fact, you might be surprised at the kind of social circles she hangs out in -- and believe me, they are not Democratic activists. She is a part of their social set -- *that's* why she is able to get all the facts that she does, because she is very close to "them".

She is not a patriotic hero. She's not doing this for her country. She is not out to expose them for political reasons. She's just a writer who has a nose for fascinating human stories. This book will not be scurrilous, it will not be cruel, it will most of all not be judgemental.

I can't wait for this book. For as much as I have studied the serious issues surrounding this administration, I also have an intense curiousity about their inner motivations and personal lives. The fact that this book will deal with their personal lives does not in any way distract from or dilute any of the serious issues; it may actually help elucidate the disfunctions that propel them to a surprising degree. I know that Ms Kelley has very close contacts in conservative social circles, does excellent research, and that I can rely on her to answer questions I have had about the Bush Crime Family for years. I do not expect it to be a "hatefest" -- Kitty Kelley is no Ann Coulter or Laura Ingraham. Ms Kelley does not live in a Manichean world -- she has always done justice to the complexities of the characters she analyzes.

A little off-topic: just a reminder that despite the manufactured appearance of solidarity, there are grave divisions in the Republican party. The Bush family have a LOT of enemies. I continue to predict, as I have always done, that it will eventually be sane people in the Republican Party who ultimately destroy and discredit them, not Democrats.... The evangelical Bushistas might refuse to read this book -- just as "pure-hearted" Democrats will refuse to -- but a LOT of traditional Republicans will. A lot of traditional Republicans are in fact primary sources to Ms Kelley....

[tblue37]

104. I have never read a KK book,

but I plan to get this one and read it. Morbid curiosity, I guess.

Someone should encourage her to do one on Ann Coulter. Wouldn't that be fun?

[Stephanie]

129. Ann Coulter is not worth the trees, or KK's time

Ann Coulter is a non-entity.

However, if you wrote the book I would buy it!

[goclark]

106. It's a free country and she can write what she wants to

Each reader is free to judge it like they want to.

[aquart]

144. Yeah, but it hits the same time as Ben Barnes on 60 Minutes.

If 60 Minutes is saying the Bush family is a bunch of liars and users, doesn't it make Kitty pretty?

[AlCzervik]

20. OK, i promised myself i'd take a brek from anti-* books for awhile

but for this one i may break that promise.

[progressivebydesign]

23. Hello? Does the popularity of Enquirer and their ilk sound familiar?

Americans LOVE the dirt. The more trashy, the better. Remember.. the target market for those trash papers are mostly nice republican ladies... I can't wait till the book comes out. It'll be hilarious! It may not change any minds, but it will give me sweet revenge seeing so much dirty laundry aired for the world to see. Even if it's half-true, it'll be shocking.

I'm trying to decide HOW the Bush's will keep it from being published... lawsuit? plane crash? anthrax?

[nostamj]

29. if bushco *could* have stopped it, they WOULD have...

and, no one has EVER successfully sued KK. if she were to die (or be killed) now, it would only make the book that much bigger...

[AnnInLa]

32. I think that Sinatra tried, the Prince of Monaco tried, but failed...eom

[Joanne98]

33. That's a thought. They can't kill her. That would just prove it's true.

lol :)

[The Flaming Red Head]

38. they can't? over dose, suicide, plane crash

heart attack, mysterious assailant, food poisoning, etc.

She 'll probably die at the hands of a prominent democrat in a weird bondage sex act.

[nostamj]

40. the POINT is not *could* they

of course they could, but IF she were to die suddenly or suspiciously it would INCREASE interest in the book...

they can kill her, but they can't kill the BOOK...

[Jackpine Radical]

43. What good would killing her do at this point?

It would just drive up sales & provide more fuel for the Grassy Knoll Society's next membership drive.

[seemslikeadream]

39. Victor Ashe Ambassador, Poland

Victor Ashe
Ambassador, Poland
Term of Appointment: 06/23/2004 to present



http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/biog/34697.htm

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

50. George Bush named Victor Ashe to the Fannie Mae Board Of Directors

in July, 2001, before making him the Ambassador to Poland.

http://www.usmayors.org/uscm/us_mayor_newspaper/documents/07_23_01/ashe_fannie_mae.asp

[LoZoccolo]

44. Wow, that makes the Larry Flynt book look like /nothing/!

Though it's still damaging to Bush*.

[seemslikeadream]

46. Looks great side by side on the book shelves!

[LoZoccolo]

47. Ha wouldn't it though? n/t

[seemslikeadream]

51. I wouldn't say that

There's alot of friendly people around those book stores. I hear great stories from my daughter who works at one.

[Chovexani]

45. Ha ha

That reminds me of one of my favorite lines from Steel Magnolias. I think it was Olympia Dukakis' character that said it when they were snarking on people at the wedding.

[Zomby Woof]

52. Theodore Roosevelt's daughter

Alice Roosevelt Longworth, had it embroidered on a sofa pillow at the White House when her father was president. The expression has been around a long time.

[Norquist Nemesis]

53. I'm just wondering if BFEE will shoot the messenger(s).

:evilgrin:

[PROGRESSIVE1]

56. If this crap hurts *'s poll numbers, I AM ALL FOR IT!

:kick:

[Andy_Stephenson]

60. Ummmm....

it is not crap. I have been saying this for years now.

Researched it a long time ago.

[Cha]

145. I would't expect it to be coming from

Kitty Kelley who has "never been sucessfully sued".

It's about time it came out from an independent source.

[aquart]

148. Which "it"?

All of "it"? Bits of "it"?

[Bridget Burke]

61. Let Kerry continue to take the high road.

I want him (& Edwards, etc.) to continue to share their vision for America. Negative campaigning? I don't regard serious criticism of the current regime's policies as "negative"--just campaigning.

Kitty Kelley announced plans for this book several years ago, long before Kerry was chosen. She's totally independant of his campaign. I don't believe she's ever been successfully sued for any of her previous controversial works.

How about a saucer of Kahlua & cream? Meow, meow!

[Citizen Daryl]

63. Puts the GOP in a Catch 22 position:

If they intentionally ignore it, and the talk radio pundits ignore it, the tabloids won't, and people will wonder what the hush campaign is all about.

If they have an aneurysm over it, and the talk radio pundits go nuclear about it, people - even diehard Bushites - will have their curiosities piqued. Even if they cluck their tongues about it, nobody - not even the most pious Republican - can resist lascivious dirt.

EDIT: All Kerry needs to do is condemn attack books in general, and encourage George Bush to do the same.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

65. HaHa - I love your last statement

"...All Kerry needs to do is condemn attack books in general, and encourage George Bush to do the same..."

[private_ryan]

71. Ok, I admit

me and Pickles had sex once. Nothing to write home about, but for $7.50 you can't complain

[dazzlerazzle]

88. Kitty "smelly" Kelly book

A more distinquised author Kevin Phillips in "American Dynasty"
writes a scathing history of the Bush family, and doesn't need
to use any sexual references...I waited 8 weeks to get this book
from my library, and was amazed at how little I knew about the
family history.

[Jackpine Radical]

92. The Phillips book is well-known in these parts.

The problem is that the Lumpenproletariat will not read Clarke, Phillips, Brock, or anyone else that strikes them as too serious. They will read scandal sheets & books cut from the same cloth as the Nat'l Enquirer. In the case of Kelley & the Enquirer, they may be low but they're generally amazingly accurate. The Enquirer actually broke some of the seamier aspects of the Enron story, for example.

[Disturbed]

94. K. Rove..

of course knows about this book and it's a sure bet that he has already laid out the counter attack for it. This book and others may stir some controversy but my guess is that it will not put a dent in the Neo Fascist steamroller. The Neo Fascist machine is more clever than the Dems by far. They are at war and are more serious than Dems at winning this war at any and all costs. They have Corporate Amerika behind them and will do whatever it takes to retain power.

[Cha]

147. Yeah, and it's gonna be real

Sweet when they LOOSE!

[aquart]

149. Yeah, fascists always win. Ask Mussolini. Ask Hitler.

Their success is legendary.

[Cleita]

95. Yeah, they got sued too many times, so they do back check

their facts. They just concentrate on the sleaze though and leave the mainstream news to other print media. They also hire writers with degrees from some of the better journalism schools. I check the National Enquirer quit often, especially if I'm looking for stuff about Assnold.

[Veggie Meathead]

98. If I understand it right, Kitty Kelley is claiming that Father and Son

were involved in a threesome with Pickles.Now, the MOST IMPORTANT QUESTION OF THE DAY AND FOREVER:WHAT HAPPENED TO CONDI?Did she get in any of this action? I demand that Ms.Kelley satisfy the curiosity of a redblooded American.Like the Declaration says,we are entitled to Life,Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.I won't be happy until I know the answer to this earthshaking question.Although I have a sneaking suspicion that Ms.Condi, while searching for Saddam's WMD's, the intrepid National Security Adviser that she is, happened to discover that we had potent WMD's of our own right in the oval office!

[tinanator]

109. remember what they like to talk about, those two...

didnt GW say something about "pussy"?
who's got that quote?

[Veggie Meathead]

112. Question is how do they like their coffee:Black and hot or white and sweet

[jefferson_dem]

113. pussy quote from potty mouth chimp boy goes like this

At the 1988 Republican Convention, Hartford Courant associate editor David Fink struck up a conversation with chimpster:

Fink: “When you’re not talking politics, what do you and talk about?”

George W.: “Pussy.”

[UTUSN]

110. Here's the Scuttlebutt from Another Pro Old Gossipteer

*******QUOTE*******

http://www.nypost.com/seven/08302004/gossip/cindy.htm



August 30, 2004 -- ....

THE gossip around: Kitty Kelley's Bush family vivisection gets published right after the convention, when residents return to civilization. It allegedly "has five major revelations." Supposedly, familial indiscretions naming names, places, times, etceteras. Plus W's documented missing year and service record.

********UNQUOTE*******

[kskiska]

131. I've often wondered how Cindy Adams and Liz Smith

get away with writing their columns for the NY Post. Neither are wingnuts.

ON EDIT: After thinking this over a moment or two I've realized it would be impossible for a wingnut to write a show biz gossip column at all. Cindy's got contacts to die for. What show business personality would ever talk to a right winger? Pat Boone?

The Post has no choice but to keep Cindy and Liz on staff.

[kentuck]

114. Think. If we say we don't believe it , the freeps will believe it...

So..... :)

[althecat]

135. Michael Douglas, Gore Vidal, Quentin Tarantino now Kitty Kelly...

...seems everybody with a creative bone in their body can't stand *. That is except Briney Spears...

Reading that list of revelations amazes me.... Kelly clearly dislikes * even more than me. I too had heard about this.... "It reveals alleged sex offenses against minors by Dubya's father"... and from a good source. But I didn't for the life of me think anyone would ever print it. Least of all a best selling writer who is almost guaranteed to get her book in every bookstore in the US.

From what little I can glean about this book I would say that Miss Kelly has had a large team of investigators working with her on this. Even Kelly wouldn't make allegations of that nature without being able to back em up. Some of these are easy.... others damned hard to stand up. But as several people have suggested... if anyone goes after anything in this book i.e. the threesome allegations which I should imagine are unprovable then they just draw attention to other bits like Bush family Nazi connections which are indisputable facts.

Truly beautiful...

[Joanne98]

139. Poppy's sex with minors.......

That reminds me. In that CNN puff piece with Paula Zahn, at the end Poppy is visting an island and the host sends a teenage girl to greet him and he grabs her and smacks her on the butt and says "Nice girl". Did anybody else see that? It was creepy.