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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-04 01:32 AM
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The most moral act of this whole nightmare...
I'd like some opinions on what people think true morality is, as opposed to Republican morality (I need some cheering up)

For me, one of the most moral acts was Larry Flynt refusing to publish the nude photos of Jessica Lynch. That is what I call morality, and I'd like other examples to hold up to pukes who really have no concept of what it is, the more ironic the better (time period is beginning with the stolen election 2000)
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mark414 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-04 01:33 AM
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1. the soldier in F911
who said he refused to go back to iraq to kill more poor people
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NJCher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-04 01:37 AM
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2. that image
is forever seared in my mind. Great example.


Cher
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MsConduct Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-04 01:43 AM
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3. Well, it's......
patting someone on the back and NOT looking for a place to stick a knife in.
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LiberalVoice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-04 01:48 AM
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4. It wasn't moral of Larry Flynt.
It was smart. She is one ugly person.
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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-04 02:01 AM
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7. Yes it was, and no she isn't
He could have made shitloads of money off that, but didn't 'cause he said it would have brought him down to Bush's level of exploiting her in Iraq.

That's pretty bad, when Larry Flynt won't sink to George's level.
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LiberalVoice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-04 02:19 AM
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13. lol..I was thinking of someone else...
This is what 12 hours a day on DU will get ya.
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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-04 02:48 AM
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16. I'll bet it was Amber Frey, wasn't it.
I can't argue with you on that one.
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LiberalVoice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-04 02:51 AM
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17. Nope
It was whats her face from the Iraqi Tortue Scandal. My ADD is kicking in and I can't quite remember her name. Christy Englend?
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progdonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-04 03:11 AM
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18. Lynndie England
... and I agree completely that she is one ugly piece of work. And she was sent home from Iraq because she'd gotten pregnant! Reminds me of Jeff Foxworthy's bit: "Oh my God, she's got kids? Someone had sex with that woman?!!"
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LiberalVoice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-04 03:34 AM
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20. Thats it!
There goes one classy broad!
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Gore1FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-04 02:02 AM
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8. Ugly????
Edited on Sun Sep-05-04 02:03 AM by Gore1FL
I think JessicaLynch is Hot!!

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goodwalt Donating Member (199 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-04 01:49 AM
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5. I've Got One, But Not Happy About It
I have an example- from Larry Flynt even- but I'm not happy about it. According to a reliable friend, Larry Flynt published a book a couple of years back that included a passage about the Bush family coercing a young woman to abort shrub's baby before Roe v. Wade was the law of the land. Flynt wouldn't publish the name of the woman, though he had the Dr.'s name and that of a witness. Now how sad and desperate has our national debate become when the publisher of "Hustler" stands as a shining beacon of integrity?
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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-04 02:00 AM
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6. Robin Lowman Garner. The Flynt book came out last month.

She's in there. There was a witness, but she was threatened by James Bath (he just pops up everwhere) Her husband is FBI

The Flynt book is "Sex, Lies and Politics" and it is great.

No press to it, which shows how "not liberal" the media is.
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Nikia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-04 02:04 AM
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9. Properly weighing the consequences of things
Bascially doing things that are not harmful to others or society in general, doing helpful things when possible, and not doing things that will personally lead to guilt or going down the wrong path, not taking unfair advantage of people or situations. I don't know if I forgot anything. There are some things that are part of society that I accept as part of society that I feel are immoral. Even if I accept that other people do them, I don't personally approve. I don't think that everything that I feel is immoral should be illegal. We all make our own decisions to live morally or not. Despite my best intentions, I cannot always live morally and some decisions may present only immoral choices. I think that perserving lives is always the most moral choice.
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The Traveler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-04 02:07 AM
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10. How 'bout Ms Lynch saying
she didn't know why people thought she was heroic and thought that the whole thing was being used improperly for political purposes?

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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-04 02:10 AM
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11. yes, that was brave as hell.
"it's wrong"

and admitting her gun jammed, and that it was not her but Lori Piestewa that acted heroically, and that she hated all of it because if none of it had happened "Lori would still be alive".
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ConsAreLiars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-04 03:28 AM
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19. Speaking truth to power
Just a kid from the stix, no deep studies about geopolitics and neocon agitprop. No calculations about personal gain. Just basic human decency and honesty. She did the right thing simply because it was the right thing to do. That puts her in good company, and I wish her well.
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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-04 02:15 AM
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12. Dennis Kucinich's stand against the
invasion and occupation of Iraq and his call for a cabinet level Department of Peace.

The half million people who marched in opposition to the Bush/Cheney regime on the eve of the RNC and the millions who marched to protest the Iraq war.

The Congressional Black caucus standing up for democracy and those disenfranchised in the stolen 2000 election - an important historical event so hidden by the media that even some DUers hadn't seen it until Michael Moore included it in F 9/11.

Michael Moore having the courage to take on the right wing thugs with his books and films and never backing down.



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laura888 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-04 02:36 AM
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14. congressional black caucus
I was incredibly moved during this part of the film, and wondered why I hadn't known about it before.
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DerekG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-04 02:46 AM
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15. The campaign of Dennis Kucinich
I often compare Dennis to Henry A. Wallace, who led a valiant fight against the cold warriorism of Harry Truman in '48. In a sane, loving world, Kucinich would be the candidate. Oddly enough, I am glad he isn't: he would have been either railroaded by his own party (George McGovern) or murdered by the Right (Bobby Kennedy).

Mark my words: he will be the future leader of the progressive cause.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-04 05:13 AM
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21. Morality doesn't exist. Don't let anyone tell you what is moral or not.
A person cannot be judged fairly based on morality as it is an entirely subjective construct. I prefer the concept of "ethics" or "ethical standards" as a measure of what may be appropriate in a given situation.
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diamond14 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-04 05:39 AM
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22. Richard Clarke apologizing to the American people...
and revealing the truth about bush*, shortly after his apology....

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diamond14 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-04 05:44 AM
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23. and Ambassador Joe Wilson's editorial in the NYT....

STANDING UP to bush*'s yellow-cake lies which took us to war...

he could have lived a nicer, quieter retirement, and saved his families' perilous position, if he had simply decide not to bring up the bush* yellow-cake lies...

silence is complicity....I truly hope more and more insiders will step forward...
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-04 05:44 AM
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24. Jessica Lynch refusing to be used for a lie
That's a young woman who will most likely never recover fully from her war wounds. The last time I saw her in the news she was struggling to walk on crutches and living with incontinence related to the injuries she sustained.

Did she marry her sweetheart? Will she ever be able to have children? Will she be able to complete her education and be a schoolteacher?

The Pentagon and Bush Admin tried to turn her into a female version of Rambo -- firing wildly at the enemy until her ammo was gone, going down fighting like a wildcat, trying with her last breath to save her comrades-in-arms. Endorsements, book tour, talk-show circuit -- cash that would have come in mighty handy for a disabled vet from a non-prosperous rural community.

At first Jessica was enough in shock that she couldn't exactly remember what she did, but as she began her long road to recovery she pieced together what happened, and she was not Rambo. Her friends were mostly dead; one of them helped save her life; and apparently the Iraqi doctors did their best for her and offered no resistance when US troops broke into the hospital with their camera crew in tow...film at eleven, propaganda docudrama next month.

So she spoke out and told her version of events despite intense pressure from many people vastly higher on the food chain than she ever will be. She did write a book with a co-author, but otherwise has sunk from public life.

I wish her all the best. She has done our country proud; she's done her uniform proud.

Hekate
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DemExpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-04 06:32 AM
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25. Senator Jim Jeffords switching to Independent is up there on my list!
Michael Moore's courage

Dennis Kucinich

Wesley Clark


Some of my shining examples for inspiration.

DemEx
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FormerOstrich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-04 06:50 AM
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26. Senator Byrd
and his moving speach before the vote to give Bush the authority for Iraq.

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Catfight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-04 06:58 AM
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27. Michael Moore giving up the video footage for FH911 of Berg to his family.
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