I honestly blame Satan's Baptist Cult for America's conservatism...

[Zell in Hell]

It's no coincidence that your largest "Christian" denomination was founded in support of slavery, has defended racial segregation, and is now dedicated to misogyny, homophobia, and theocracy.

[Sailorman]

1. Satan has definately been a factor

in the current administration!!!!!!!!

[RevCheesehead]

2. Don't forget the Fear factor

God won't like you if you dont think like us...and you'll go to hell.

But please be careful in using "Baptist". In some areas, this is akin to saying "Muslims". I can read between the lines, but some may be offended. (Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter are pretty decent Baptists, aren't they?)

[Zell in Hell]

4. Ummm?

There's a lot of different Baptist sects.

Didn't Clinton and Carter become American Baptists later in life?

[ret5hd]

7. if i remember correctly...

clinton is a methodist and carter renounced the southern baptist congregation.

i could be mistaken though.

[Jane Eyre]

12. Hillary Clinton is a Methodist, Bill is a Baptist

I don't know if they actually belong as members at any particular church, but their upbringings and religious backgrounds are in two different Chrisian denominations. And I do believe that both Bill Clinton and Al Gore claim to be Southern Baptists.

Jimmy Carter was a Southern Baptist until fairly recently when he came out against the SB's harsh right-wing politics. I believe that he is still a Baptist, but now claims allegiance with a more liberal branch.

[ogsball]

18. I met Bill Clinton's Pastor from Little Rock

about six years ago. He had retired by then and we did a funeral together. Anyhow he said that Bill Clinton didn't really fit the Southern Baptist profile, even thought he attended there. Oddly enough that pastor did say that he felt that Hillary was much more in line with Methodism.

Both Clinton's (& Chelsey too I presume) attended the Methodist church in D.C. when they went.

BTW Both Dick Chaney and GW Bush are members of the same Methodist church in Dallas Texas. The Methodist's are considered pro life and the Methodist Council of Bishops specifically petitioned GW not to go to war with Iraq.

[Ripley]

3. Oh, it's you.

You and that other guy keep showing up in the same threads. Kind of like you're trying to up each others post counts. Because you keep cutting and pasting the lines with heavy handed verbiage.

[T Town Jake]

15. What's THAT supposed to mean? n/t

[Ripley]

19. Well, if you'll notice...

This particular poster has a way of repeating his lines in multiple threads. I find that odd. I also find it odd that he starts inflammatory posts and never responds to anyone posting in his thread.

[T Town Jake]

21. Ah...gotcha. Sorry, I'm kinda slow on the uptake...

...at times. :+

[skooooo]

5. particularly southern baptists..imo n/t

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

6. Southern Baptists

were the ones who broke away from the Baptist Church over slavery. I believe the American Baptist Church is now the name of the northern (anti-slavery) branch.

Like all things, one cannot really generalize about things. I know Southern Baptist ministers who absolutely hate Bush and are strong Kerry supporters. I know of Southern Baptists who will use the Bible to show you that Bush is the anti-Christ. Bill Clinton is a Southern Baptist, I believe, and Jimmy Carter was one while President.

And let's not forget that Bush is nominally a Methodist, although he has snubbed visits from bishops from his own denomination before the war. I know many Methodists who are quite progressive, and many who are Kerry supporters.

[RevCheesehead]

24. Bill Clinton, Al Gore, and Jimmy Carter are all Southern Baptists

[Nimrod]

8. My only bigotry

I DO believe SB's to be pure evil incarnate, other Baptists don't seem much worse than the rest. I think the problem lies with organized religion sitting around on huge piles of tax-free cash and little to no genuine restrictions on what they can do with it.

First religion to turn America into a theocratic dictatorship wins. Bonus points for public executions of homosexuals, blacks, atheists, and anybody who doesn't go to your church every Sunday.

[readmylips]

Not the Baptist...man-made Evangelical Pentecostals

religion of racists which began in the south and spread through the country. Evangelical Pentecostals is the first christian religion ever founded in the USA, in the middle 50s just when Civil Rights Laws demands were spreading. The Latter Day Saints were members of the Pentecostals but they wanted no part of politics. The Pentecostal religion was founded for political white supremacy purposes.

On the christian political channel, they've been asking members to mail their vote ballot to them...some address, some where in the south. I was not able to write down the address. They end their commercial with 'our vote will secure God's kingdom.' I said to myself, we are really in trouble with these nuts.

[bobbieinok]

13. pentecostals ('holyrollers) started at the end of the 19th, beginning of

the 20th century (see Azuza Street Mission and black minister William Seymor ca 1907)

Latter Day Saints (Mormons) were founded by Joseph Smith in the early 1800s......there is no connection between the 2

the pentecosatals are heavily influenced by the black preaching style and there are many black and mixed pentecostal congregations

I do agree, however, that many white pentecostals are at the least oblivious to racism and at times racist themselves

[readmylips]

9. Not the Baptist...man-made Evangelical Pentecostals

religion of racists which began in the south and spread through the country. Evangelical Pentecostals is the first christian religion ever founded in the USA, in the middle 50s just when Civil Rights Laws demands were spreading. The Latter Day Saints were members of the Pentecostals but they wanted no part of politics. The Pentecostal religion was founded for political white supremacy purposes.

On the christian political channel, they've been asking members to mail their vote ballot to them...some address, some where in the south. I was not able to write down the address. They end their commercial with 'our vote will secure God's kingdom.' I said to myself, we are really in trouble with these nuts.

[bobbieinok]

14. pentecostals ('holyrollers) started at the end of the 19th, beginning of

the 20th century (see Azuza Street Mission and black minister William Seymor ca 1907)

Latter Day Saints (Mormons) were founded by Joseph Smith in the early 1800s......there is no connection between the 2

the pentecosatals are heavily influenced by the black preaching style and there are many black and mixed pentecostal congregations

I do agree, however, that many white pentecostals are at the least oblivious to racism and at times racist themselves

Click here to go back to the main forums.

[readmylips]

10. Friend from Colorado gave this to read on....

Christiani. He said, we got oo many battle to fight and one should start with falce christian racist political religions. bush is no christian, he's just an opportunist.

www.sojourners.org.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

11. Actually, the original Baptist Church

was founded on the principle of absolute religious freedom and the ability to seek God without the mediation of a formal structure.

Rhode Island, founded by a Baptist minister, was the first colony to grant religious freedom.

The American Baptist Church, one of the branches, is still quite liberal. I taught in a small town where the minister of the American Baptist Church performed a wedding ceremony for a gay couple. The Southern Baptists picketed.

[salin]

16. I believe that the American Baptist church

I was once affiliated with - recently kicked (or put pressure upon) my old church to get out of the conference (or whatever the correct term is) due to holding a gay marriage ceremony at the church. Happened within the past two years. Yes the American Baptists are more liberal than the Southern Baptists, however it - along with many mainstream protestant denominations - has drifted towards a more conservative place in the past 20 years.

On edit - I think my recollection is incorrect. I think that the offense committed by the congregation was overseeing the ordination of a minister - who had been connected with the church in earlier times - who was gay.

[GreenPartyVoter]

17. Blame the

conservative evangelicals in general. There's lots of other denominations that have contributed to the insanity of the RW today.

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[mitchum]

20. Southern Baptists are never held under long enough...

Thanks for pointing out that they were indeed founded in support of slavery.
I really hate the fucks (Hey, I never said that I was a Christian!)

[bobbieinok]

22. there were 3 denominations that split over slavery

Baptist and maybe Methodist and Presbyterian

after the civil war, the other 2 reunited but the baptists remained/remain split

[mitchum]

25. You're right

However, The Southern Methodists came back into being in the 50s in the wake of Brown V Board of Education. I often suspect that Chimp's "Methodist Church" has ties to these mid-century bigots since I see little similarity to the United Methodist Church in which I grew up.

[RevCheesehead]

23. About "Baptist"

There are many varieties of Baptists in the US. The largest "sect" is the so-called Southern Baptist Convention. A liberal SB friend in seminary told me it's quite ironic, because theoretically, each Baptist church is an independent congregation. The idea of a "convention" is antithetical to being Baptist.

I have encountered both liberal and conservative SB's. There are also other "sects" such as "true gospel," "king James," and many others. As a clergywoman, I found some were accepting of my ministry, and many were not. (I am United Methodist)

Baptists really weren't politically active in the mainstream until Jimmy Carter announced he was "born again" (this simply means you had an adult "conversion experience", a conscious decision to believe AND FOLLOW the teachings of Jesus.) Then came Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, Ralph Reed, the Moral Majority, and its minions.

Please keep in mind that there are very liberal Baptist churches, especially in the African-American community. Remember that the full title of the Civil Rights leader is The Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King.


So please, folks, don't lump all Baptists into one category!