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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 07:48 PM
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Why does Teresa Kerry still use Heinz in her name?
I think she should drop it. After all, it's not her single or maiden (I hate this word in this context) name. Any opinions?
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Spinzonner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 07:49 PM
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1. Probably because she wants to

need there be another reason ?
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 07:50 PM
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2. because she loved her husband and it's her sons name
I see no problem
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Fescue4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 08:42 PM
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29. Yea, but her husband was a Republican
She needs to repudiate that part of her history.
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 08:55 PM
Response to Reply #29
32. Not all Republicans are cretins like * or Santorum
Edited on Sat Sep-11-04 08:55 PM by rmpalmer
John Heinz was a very good, caring man. A very good senator for PA.
Teresa loved him deeply, so did his children.

I see no problem with her honoring that man by keeping his name.

And John Kerry is a good man secure in his own masculinity that he doesn't have a problem with it, nor encourage her to drop it to further his political career.

I think your comment she should repudiate it was out of line!
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Fescue4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 09:31 PM
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41. Not trying to be out of line
Just that I find being married to a Republican...distasteful.
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JimmyHoffa Donating Member (17 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 04:28 PM
Response to Reply #41
119. What the hell is the matter with you?
Get to know a person and not a label. You will be much wiser.
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Fescue4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 08:53 PM
Response to Reply #119
123. A republican label
is not just a label.

Its self chosen label by those who expouse ideas contrary to that of freedom.

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PittLib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 09:09 PM
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37. Show a little f@#cking respect - the guy died!
And tragically I might add. She doesn't need to repudiate dick to make people like you happy. Well - maybe Dick. Jesus, what is wrong with you people? I thought we dems were supposed to be compassionate and tolerant and open-minded...
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Fescue4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 09:30 PM
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40. Everyone dies
Edited on Sat Sep-11-04 09:32 PM by Fescue4u
What matters is what they do when they are alive. He was a Republican, the enemy of the people.

Theresa is a fantastic women married to a smart man. But the fact is she made a mistake earlier in life by marrying a heartless Republican.

We all make mistakes, and its important that we learn from them. Fortunately Theresa did learn and when she remarried, she made a better choice.l

Personally I don't care what name she carries, but I am suprised that she carries the name of a Republican, but that is of course her choice.
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PittLib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 09:49 PM
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43. why don't we round that enemy up?
Animals ... there should be a law that allows us to keep them from infiltrating us decent folk. I shur am glad she found the righteous path - heck we almost lost her there. Had god not struck that plane down, she'd still be on the dark side!
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Fescue4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 09:57 PM
Response to Reply #43
46. just defeat them.
They'll take care of the rest when they go nuts from loss of power.
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PittLib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 10:04 PM
Response to Reply #46
52. good to know ...
you're on my side. I think.
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 11:24 PM
Response to Reply #40
66. Maybe you'd like to know that Dicky Mellon Scaife
went after John Heinz just like he did Clinton. He considered Heinz to be "too liberal". That's why Teresa hates that paper and that scum editor she told to shove it. She also hates Ricky Santorum with a passion.

Heinz was on the side of the environment, seniors, children, working people, etc.

Your as blind as the Freepers! Not all Repubs are the enemy.

I often wonder if John Heinz would've been like Jeffords and found the current direction of the Repug party so repugnant he'd have went independent or Democratic.
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PittLib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 11:55 PM
Response to Reply #66
68. The Tribune-Review? Why...
I wipe my ass with that rag!
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 12:23 AM
Response to Reply #68
69. I wasn't paying much attention back in those days
Edited on Sun Sep-12-04 12:24 AM by rmpalmer
but I can attest to Heinz being a moderate Repub. As to Scaife, I trust the reporting of the rival Pittsburgh Post Gazette who mentioned in a recent column that Scaife had gone after John Heinz for being "too liberal".

Here's some info I gleaned.

"People from outside Pittsburgh need to understand that as much as the Trib hates liberals, they hate moderate Republicans even more. So they had it out for . Teresa Heinz Kerry has a longstanding grievance with the Trib, in my opinion a justified grievance, which explains her behavior. We're just not seeing that reported."

http://www.philadelphiaweekly.com/view.php?id=7792

Scaife's newspaper has long been critical of Heinz Kerry although Scaife's wife, Barbara Ritchie Scaife, is a friend of Teresa Heinz Kerry and donated $2,000 to the Kerry campaign. Scaife, Heinz Kerry said, "was fixated on my late husband first."

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/04067/281739.stm

The innocuously-named newspaper has long served as the weapon of Richard Mellon Scaife, its founder and publisher. His name is now synonymous with the campaign of hate and calumny focused on the Clintons during the 1990's, but to Ms. Heinz Kerry, his methods were familiar long before he achieved any national notoriety. During the decades of her marriage to the late Senator H. John Heinz III, she knew Mr. Scaife as part of the rarefied circle of very rich local families whose names adorn museum galleries and university buildings.

Although both men were Republicans, Heinz tended to be moderate and occasionally even liberal, while Mr. Scaife was increasingly conservative, attracted to conspiracy theories and aggressive extremism. Years before her first husband's death in 1991, Teresa Heinz came to feel that Mr. Scaife had misused his newspaper to punish her and her husband for dissenting from right-wing Republican orthodoxy. Since her marriage to John Kerry in 1995, the hostility of the Scaife press and the outfits funded by Scaife foundations toward her has been nothing short of vicious.

http://www.workingforchange.com/article.cfm?ItemID=17376
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PittLib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 12:57 AM
Response to Reply #69
73. Thanks for the info ...
I'm a Pittsburgher, so this is more readily available to me than to the American public in general (if only for the Trib/Pgh Post Gazette rivalry).
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JimmyHoffa Donating Member (17 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 04:30 PM
Response to Reply #40
120. This is an asshole topic.
And so is the person who started it. She loved a man. He died. Who the fuck are you to judge her.
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Fescue4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 08:52 PM
Response to Reply #120
122. A voter
Voting is entirely about judging.

Im voting for Kerry, what about you?

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UNION.JACK Donating Member (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 07:51 AM
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96. Does Dick go along with head in this instance?
>And tragically I might add. She doesn't need to repudiate dick to >make people like you happy. Well - maybe Dick. Jesus, what is wrong >with you people? I thought we dems were supposed to be compassionate >and tolerant and open-minded...

You meanz like Republicans, If the guy has been issued with a harp a halo and a set of wings he'll hardly mind. But if he was a republican it's more than likely he'll have been issued with horns a tail and an assault rifle?

UJ
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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 09:38 AM
Response to Reply #29
106. As a Pennsylvanian Democrat I have to say that Sen Heinz was a good guy
and he was very well liked by Democrats and Republicans.

I understand her desire to keep his name.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 07:51 PM
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3. Perhaps out of
respect to her children. I don't think it is anyone else's business.
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Kimber Scott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 07:51 PM
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4.  What's your name? I think you should change it.
nt
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TrustingDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 08:40 PM
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28. heheh. good reply. Teresa has the mustard to relish her ketchup.
there is no reason she should be ashamed or hide from her name.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 08:54 PM
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31. I did twenty years after I got married.
It got too hard to negotiate the bureacracy of health care for my husband when he became ill, so I had to change to his surname for survival.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 06:50 AM
Response to Reply #4
91. I'll second that - Maybe Smith or Jones should be dropped also
to respect the parties interest?
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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 07:51 PM
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5. Hillary Clinton was origianlly refered to as Hillary Rodham Clinton by the
media
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PittLib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 08:01 PM
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16. I think she still would be ...
I imagine it's been shortened out of laziness and convenience, not because she necessarily chose to do so. But I could be wrong ...
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 12:35 AM
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72. I think she wwent by Hillary Rodham before the 2000 campaign
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Xavi Donating Member (17 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 10:02 AM
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109. That's still the name she prefers
I think.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 07:53 PM
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6. I dunno, it's an upper class thing I think.
I've seen this is quite a number of people. In some instances, the person was trying to retain some portion of their identity for professional reasons. Some for name recognition. In Teresa's case, I suppose it might have something to do the the Heinz foundation that she chairs.
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PittLib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 07:58 PM
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13. wow ...
Edited on Sat Sep-11-04 08:10 PM by PittLib
I certainly hope it's not that trite. She was married to John Heinz for 25 years. For 29 years she was Teresa Heinz. I think it might be a little more than name recognition ... it's her identity.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 07:54 PM
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7. Why should she deny her marriage to the father of her sons?
Why deny that she loved/respected her first husband? Why should a woman have to abandon one name which she has been known by for years just because she marries? What is wrong with adding to ones self without denying other parts?

Why is it anyone's business but hers, or anywoman's what she wants to be called. I know men who have taken their wives names at marriage. Nothing wrong with that either.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 07:54 PM
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8. Teresa Heinz Kerry is not running for any office
What she calls herself is her business and hers alone.
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cidliz2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 07:55 PM
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9. She is who she is
and unless people think that they need to "Stepfordize" Teresa, then I would suggest we let her be who she is so that we will retain the right to be what we are. Remember the big umbrella and all?
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 07:55 PM
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10. Because she truly loved the father of her children. I think it's not only
appropriate but refeshingly touching.
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PittLib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 07:57 PM
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11. Hmmm ... I don't know...
Could it be that she keeps it out of respect for her dead husband? Hello? She didn't divorce the guy - he died. It certainly doesn't suggest a lack of loyalty to Kerry. I would probably lose a little respect for her if she did drop it to appeal to people, as part of her allure is that she is a strong, intelligent woman in her own right. I'm kind of shocked that someone, especially in DU would suggest this.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 07:58 PM
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12. You are all right. It is none of my business, but
considering it has become such a lightening rod for criticism from the right and the idiots boycotting Heinz ketchup which she is not involved in, I was really wondering about it. No offense meant. It's just one of those "if you did it differently than this, why didn't you?" questions.
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PittLib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 08:04 PM
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17. Don't worry ...
H.J.Heinz Co. will certainly survive.
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Dorian Gray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 11:13 AM
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111. Heinz Ketchup
Of course Heinz will survive. Is there any other Ketchup (Catsup? However the hell you spell it?) that tastes good? It's all crap, except for Heinz.

As for her keeping her name, I agree with the majority of the posters here. To declare that John Heinz was just another Repug evil incarnate character shows what little you know of him. Sure, I disagree with most of his policies, but he was pretty well respected ACROSS party lines.
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 08:57 PM
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34. Teresa and the rest of us need to tell the idiots on the right
to "shove it". Preferably where the sun doesn't shine.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 09:00 PM
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35. Imagine the uproar if she changed it now, just because a few morans
are picking on her? Teresa's Heinz name is not the lightning rod. The right-wing smear bots would attack her for anything. If it weren't this, it would be something else.

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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 07:59 PM
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14. I dunno...why did Laura Bush kill her boyfriend?
:shrug:
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sportcat Donating Member (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 07:22 AM
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92. huh?
What the hell?
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Bunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 07:53 AM
Response to Reply #92
97. 17 year old Laura Welch ran a stop sign and crashed into
another car, killing its driver, Michael Douglas, who was her former boyfriend. Look it up. And of course, no charges were filed.
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 07:55 AM
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98. Dude, don't they talk about her murderous ways on "other" boards?
:spank:

Welcome to DU! Enjoy your stay!

:toast:
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LeftPeopleFinishFirst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 07:59 PM
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15. Because she wants to?
:shrug:

Doesn't matter.
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kskiska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 08:09 PM
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18. Why doesn't Maria Schriver call herself Maria Schwarzenegger??
Then there's Judith Steinberg Dean, whose shingle reads "Dr. Steinberg."
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 08:14 PM
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21. These women are using their maiden names.
Edited on Sat Sep-11-04 08:15 PM by Cleita
This was my question. Also Rodham is Hillary's maiden name. It struck me curious that Teresa used her first husband's name along with her present husband's name. I've just never seen it and considering that this election is so important, anything that could interfere with Kerry's election like a divisive dialogue about ketchup should be considered.IMHO
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 08:37 PM
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27. I can't say how much I hate the idea that a female spouse
Edited on Sat Sep-11-04 08:38 PM by JerseygirlCT
of a candidate needs to change her name in any way to help her spouse win elections.

I hated that Hillary had to become "Clinton" early on, then even often drop the "Rodham" entirely.

If Teresa wants to keep the name she went by for years -- the name of her first husband whom she loved dearly -- the name her sons carry -- then why the hell shouldn't she?


(edited to fix grammar a bit!)
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 08:51 PM
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30. I agree with you mostly.
I wasn't saying she absolutely should. I was just wondering what others thought about this. It's just that dire times sometimes call for dire actions. That's all.

I don't know if you play chess, but when your opponent trots out a new play you aren't familiar with and puts you on the defensive, it doesn't mean you still won't win the game by changing to a defensive one.

These neo-cons have thrown a lot of plays at us that we are still confused by. Not so much on DU, but I do noticed day to day that many Democrats just don't get what's going on and they still try to be fair about how they approach politics. Many of us realize now that the game has no rules anymore. We need to adapt.
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kskiska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 09:28 AM
Response to Reply #21
105. Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis?
It's customary for a woman to use her maiden name as a middle name when she marries. However, if she re-marries, her last married name would be used as her middle name.
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UNION.JACK Donating Member (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 08:02 AM
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99. Why doesn't Maria Schriver call herself Maria Schwarzenegger??
Because she still can't spell Schwarzenegger without a crib sheet?

Besides its probably to long to fit in the little box of her joint account checkbook?
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 08:11 PM
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19. It's her name, why should she drop it?
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 08:13 PM
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20. Maybe out of respect and love for her late husband?
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SW FL Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 08:25 PM
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22. I agree with the other posters.
It was her name for many years, and it ties her to her late husband and her sons. It is her choice and none of our business.
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UdoKier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 08:26 PM
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23. Don't know, don't care.
I don't care about convention, and it's a second marriage for both. Big whoop.
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southernleftylady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 08:27 PM
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24. its up to her.. i guess she loved him very deeply nt
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HopeIsNowHere Donating Member (27 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 08:33 PM
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25. Because she can and anyone against Kerry and her is an idiot
Thanks for asking.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 08:34 PM
Response to Reply #25
26. Welcome to DU.
Thanks for answering.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 02:19 AM
Response to Reply #25
79. Damn, I guess that was KaraokeKarlton!
She's been killed more times than Jason Vorhees
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 08:14 AM
Response to Reply #79
101. And here I was going to retire.
How many incarnations of this creature must be faced? I'm getting too old for this.

heheh ;)))))
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Piperay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 04:38 AM
Response to Reply #25
87. Guess that includes
you doesn't it.
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sportcat Donating Member (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 07:23 AM
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93. geez
That's a pretty big generalization!
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juajen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 08:55 PM
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33. My opinion is that it is her business and her choice
EOM
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 09:01 PM
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36. It most certainly is.
I just wish she would think about her choice for now. Now I love Teresa when she speaks her mind and I would never tell her not to say what she says. Kerry also agrees with this. Also, the Pugs have no defense for this because their women aren't allowed to express individual opinions, so talk away Teresa. I love you. However, giving the Pugs something to distract the voters with like ketchup somehow makes me think there is a better game plan.
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PittLib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 09:15 PM
Response to Reply #36
38. Would you sacrifice your identity ...
to stoop to the level of these idiotic Rwingers, just to keep them from an ineffectual boycott on ketchup?
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 09:20 PM
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39. Any woman who marries sacrifices her identity.
I never noticed it much except that when I passed through a town where I knew a former friend of mine lived, I couldn't find them listed because they had married, divorced and probably married again. Sometimes I found them through relatives still living, but these days, hardly any of may age group have relatives still living. So these women don't exist anymore except as Mrs. Somebody.
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PittLib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 09:51 PM
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44. so you agree with them then ... or?
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 09:55 PM
Response to Reply #44
45. Well, I have a problem with the concept of marriage although
I have been married for more than thirty years. Sometimes you have to do what the Romans do when in Rome, if you get my drift. For twenty of those years I kept my maiden name though until it became counterproductive. Again, giving into society. However, a discussion of marriage is a whole other thread.
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PittLib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 09:59 PM
Response to Reply #45
48. yes but it seems that you are suggesting that Teresa give in ...
to precisely what you seem to disagree with and/or resent. I really don't understand where you are coming from.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 10:04 PM
Response to Reply #48
50. From a political place.
I think this election is so important that no one should give the Bush camp anything they can use as a criticism or a distraction.
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PittLib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 10:06 PM
Response to Reply #50
53. but it shouldn't ...
turn us into hypocrites. If we lose integrity ... we're no better than them. No? :)
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 01:25 AM
Response to Reply #50
75. Cleita, Cleita, Cleita
The Repugs will MAKE UP shit if they can't find authentic "issues" to use as criticism or distration. IMO the only response to that is to do the right thing, the thing(s) you want, and as some other poster suggested, tell them to shove it. It's gotta STOP somewhere, and standing up to it is the best way to make it stop, 'cause rolling over for it just invites more of the same.

I don't want candidates and their spouses or ANY Dems doing things --esp. such personal things as you suggest -- for political reasons. Dear Goddess, that's the LAST thing we need right now.
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Mandate My Ass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 10:09 PM
Response to Reply #39
54. "Any woman who marries sacrifices her identity."
Are you living on the same planet as the rest of us? :wtf:
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 10:14 PM
Response to Reply #54
56. Would someone who had lost contact with you be
able to find you in a phone book if you had married in the meantime? Only if you had also listed in your single name, as well. I don't know of women who do it that much. That's a pretty big loss of identity in my book. I did a big search on geneology in my family and had a really hard time tracing sisters who seemed to not be around after a certain time, no deaths listed, nothing. Only the unmarried ones or old maids seemed to be still listed as someone.
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Mandate My Ass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 10:21 PM
Response to Reply #56
57. Who cares if someone from my distant past can't find me???????!!
Edited on Sat Sep-11-04 10:22 PM by Monica_L
Identity and self reference is a great deal more important than a phone directory listing.

So in your book, spinsters and old maids (patriarchal and derogatory terms for unattached women) are someone and every other woman is what, a nobody?
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 10:30 PM
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60. Whatever!
It's an observation and a valid one. It's deliberate too. In many languages, instead of just taking your husband's family name, you are identified as the wife of "surname", or the widow of "surname", instead of just Mrs. "surname". Your children take his name, not yours. If your child is born out of wedlock, until not so long ago, the child was called a bastard, especially if he had to take his mother's maiden name because no father would admit paternity. Our new conservative Christians want to take us back to that time.

When you marry and take your husband's family name, your identity is as his wife in his family. Your children will have his family's name not yours. Bye, bye identity. If a friend of your husband's wants to reconnect the friendship. No problem. All his documents are in the same name he was born with. You on the other hand have become someone's property.
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 01:28 AM
Response to Reply #56
76. What makes you think every woman changes her name
upon the occasion of getting married? Many do, but not all.
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oldcoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 01:30 AM
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77. The best game plan is to stop apologizing
Frankly, I doubt that Heinz Kerry's last name is really relevant to most voters. After all, there are more important issues (health care, employment, everything else) that effect more voters. The only voters who would care about something so trivial are Republicans who would attack her simply for marrying a Democrat. The best approach is not to back off but to get aggressive. If they bring it up, ask them why they care more about this woman's last name then they care about the fact that 1000+ Americans have died in Iraq.

If they want to boycott Heinz Ketchup, let them. Heinz Ketchup makes most of its political donations to Republicans.
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liberalpragmatist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 09:43 PM
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42. It's her name, not yours
If she wants to keep her first husband's name, let her. WTF should you care? She loved him - he was, she said, the love of her life. He's the father of her children. If she wants to keep that part of her life, that's her business.
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 09:59 PM
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47. Well, Damn, since you think so
I bet she'll get right on that...

:eyes:

RL
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Paulie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 10:01 PM
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49. I took my wife's name even though she voted for * in 2000
She said voted for Kucinich in the primaries. Quite a swing! ;)

What's a name anyways? It's the heart and mind that matters! :D
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dansolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 10:04 PM
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51. Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis
I'm sensing a double standard here.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 10:09 PM
Response to Reply #51
55. Did Jackie do that during the marriage?
I got the impression she did that after the divorce from Onassis. But I could be wrong. Also, my point is that the Kerrys must do anything they can not give the Bush camp anything to spin out of control, like the Dean scream for instance. The ketchup thing is getting legs like the freedom fries nonsense. Also, since Ari Onassis wasn't running for any office, it really wasn't an issue.
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Kimber Scott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 10:26 PM
Response to Reply #55
58. Yes, she did. It's none of your business. You're the only one making
Edited on Sat Sep-11-04 10:28 PM by Kimber Scott
it an issue.

Edited for spelling and to add:

If Teresa Heinz Kerry walked on water and John F. Kerry turned water into wine, Bushco would spin it. Probably say they were Satanists for performing such magic. Really, there are more important things to worry about.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 10:26 PM
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59. Business. She has input in many of the Heinz Foundations.
From what I've gathered, charity work has been her primary vocation for some time. If she's administering Heinz-funded charities, using the Heinz name seems to make sense.
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PittLib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 10:37 PM
Response to Reply #59
62. See post 13.
Why does she have to have some ulterior motive? It is how she identifies herself.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 10:39 PM
Response to Reply #62
63. Oh, I agree. I'm just presenting another legitimate possibility.
Edited on Sat Sep-11-04 10:39 PM by MercutioATC
Hell, a woman can call herself Frau Gumby for all I care. Her name is part of her identity (if she chooses it to be) and it's her choice.
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PittLib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 10:50 PM
Response to Reply #63
64. Okay - sorry.
I'm a little revved up tonight. I think I need a beer.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 10:51 PM
Response to Reply #64
65. Have one for me, too!
:toast:
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PittLib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 11:53 PM
Response to Reply #65
67. cheers!
:toast:
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Isere Donating Member (920 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-04 10:31 PM
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61. It's her choice!
This is the name that her children have. This is the name she chooses. Why the hell shouldn't she go by whatever name she pleases? She isn't Teresa Heinz. She is Teresa Heinz KERRY.

I have a friend who had 2 children with her spouse and established a career with her married name. She divorced, then remarried and has kept the name of her first husband. As far as I know, there have been no complaints.



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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 12:27 AM
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70. because that's her name , she didn't divorce her husband...he died
Edited on Sun Sep-12-04 12:30 AM by ElsewheresDaughter
she loved him and it is also the name of her children
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UpsideDownFlag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 12:29 AM
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71. because John doesn't own her?
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 01:15 AM
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74. Yes --- she's still head of the Heinz Foundation -- AND --
AFAIC, she gets to use whatever name she wants. I rather would prefer it that she not use Kerry.

I didn't take my second husband's name -- the second time around I was changing my lifestyle, NOT my identity. When I told him, as gently as I could, that I couldn't change my name, he asked me: "Well, doesn't changing your name signify the start of a whole new life?"

"Why, yes, it does," I responded thoughtfully. "So what are you changing yours to?" End of discussion. I did, however, decide after considerable thought on the matter that I could wear a wedding ring.

I thought it was ghastly that Hillary started using Clinton's name for political reasons. I think women should do what they think is appropriate for them, but I'd rather see them keep their own names (uh, well, their fathers' names, unfortunately -- always, always, always male-identified, aren't we?).
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 01:34 AM
Response to Reply #74
78. Just maybe she feels it's
appropriate for her. Since when did Democrats feel they should tell other people how to run their lives, much less what surname they should use. It's her name and she is the one to decide what she wants to be known as.
Apparently she feels her first husband is a part of her identity as is John Kerry. Leave it be.!
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smirkymonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 02:25 AM
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80. What is Theresa's maiden name anyway?
Just curious.
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GRLMGC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 02:42 AM
Response to Reply #80
81. It's
Simoes-Ferreira
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smirkymonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 03:27 AM
Response to Reply #81
83. Thanks. I am sure the freepers would have a field day
with that one. Sigh.
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GRLMGC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 03:29 AM
Response to Reply #83
84. Goddamn foreigners
with their unpronounceable names! I love how they think her pronunciation of her first name is some kind of affectation. Cuz if its not pronounced American it ain't right.
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smirkymonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 03:32 AM
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85. At least she's not FRENCH!!
:evilgrin:
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GRLMGC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 03:39 AM
Response to Reply #85
86. But but
She has an accent, she ain't American!!!
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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 02:50 AM
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82. You are so right!
Terry Kerry really ought to think about what she's doing to Senator John F. Kerry's chances of winning this election, and get her apron back on and whip up some cookies or do something productive like that to help HIM.

/end sarc/

dp
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 04:55 AM
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88. I use Heinz on my french fries...
...surely she can use it in her name.

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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 06:15 AM
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89. It's more impressive to have three names
Have you noticed that many famous american politicians have three part names - eg. John Fitzgerald Kennedy, Ronald Wilson Reagan, William Jefferson Clinton, Hillary Rodham Clinton, John Forbes Kerry etc etc.

Guess it gives them gravitas. Of course when they want to be more populist they shorten it, eg. Jack Kennedy, Bill Clinton etc.
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Bunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 06:38 AM
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90. I am astounded that this is even being discussed.
Teresa Heinz Kerry can call herself whatever she wants. I don't give a flying rat's ass what the Republicans think of this. Don't you think that it's just another way for them to set the terms of the debate?

Oooooh, look at her. She kept her first husband's name. AND took her second husband's name!!!! Well, if that doesn't prove that John Kerry is unfit for office, I don't know what does! How can we possibly elect a man who can't keep his wife in line?

Good God. There are times when I think I have finally heard everything at DU, and then a thread like this comes up. Unbelievable.
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juslikagrzly Donating Member (646 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 09:52 AM
Response to Reply #90
108. Absolutely!
I felt like I'd lost 20 IQ points after reading this thread last night.

WHO GIVES A RAT'S ASS??? Why does this post have 107 replies??? Why am I adding to that number???

My name is my name, your name is your name. It is no one's freakin business who what or why!
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peach720 Donating Member (62 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 07:37 AM
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94. Changing her name now would play right into the Pukes hands......
She would instantly become power hungry, with her own political ambitions to the media. They would have a field day and the election coverage would be focused on Teresa Heinz Kerry, as some new verison of Hillary Clinton, which will scare people off.
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UNION.JACK Donating Member (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 07:40 AM
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95. A rose by any other name will smell as sweet.
It's better than *BEANZ* I suppose?

UJ
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wellstone dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 08:03 AM
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100. ARGH
I was just going to post that and scrolled down and what is the last post on the thread......it is my "a rose by any other name...." Drat. Creativity a moment too late.
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amazona Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 08:22 AM
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102. Heinz was killed, they were never divorced, it's part of her history
I think if my husband was killed in a tragic accident, I would be pretty ticked if someone suggested I no longer had a right to his name. He's part of her history and the father of her children, right? Why shouldn't she keep the name?
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Bunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 08:34 AM
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103. Well, we can't upset the Republicans, now can we?
God knows they must be appeased, at any cost, apparently. (sarcasm off)
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Barbara917 Donating Member (109 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 08:38 AM
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104. Why did Jaqueline Onasis continue to use Kennedy in her name?
You think she should have renounced Kennedy's name? I think people should leave people alone instead of constantly picking on non-issues.
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GoldenOldie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 09:39 AM
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107. Common Practise in families and culltures
It is common for woman when they marry to drop their middle name and replace it with their place their surname and then their married name. Hillary Rodham Clinton. My daughters have have followed this family tradition and they do it because they want that sense of continuity. Also in the past the elite and well known families were known to follow this avenue because the name and connections that went with it were extremely important to maintain the power......what's in a name, everything. That is certainly not the case in this family but it started out this way.

Those who initiated the attacks against Hillary Rodham Clinton for using her surname are most likely the very same Republican power horses that did and do the very same thing within their own families. How would one's daughter be recognized if her father's name is not openly displayed.....would anyone recognize her, would doors be flung open for her. Don't think for a moment that this isn't a serious consideration within the power brokers.

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Bunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 12:06 PM
Response to Reply #107
113. Kay Bailey Hutchison ring a bell?
You are so right.
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 10:07 AM
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110. I call for a referendum
let's get a petition going, last I checked we live in a democracy, WE should get to decide what Teresa calls herself.

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Catt03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 11:38 AM
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112. Women do not have their own last names
they always have a males last name. They use the name of their father or their husband.

So she wants to be Theresa Heinz Kerry; that's her idenity. Two men in her life she honors and who made her who she is today. I guess it is a nice way of saying thank you.:-)
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 12:22 PM
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 12:29 PM
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115. Buh Bye
:hi:
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Yupster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 04:13 PM
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116. I hadn't thought of it, but
it is odd.

I don't know anyone who is married and still uses the name of her first husband other than her.

I know many who are married and still use their maiden name.

Unusual, but certainly her own business.
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Bunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 04:23 PM
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117. Do you know anyone who was married to a Senator, widowed,
then married another Senator?
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revree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 04:24 PM
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118. BECAUSE SHE LOVED AND HONORS HER DEAD FIRST HUSBAND
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Orangepeel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-04 04:39 PM
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121. she was Teresa Heinz for many years --
probably most of her adult life. "Why should she drop it" is a better question.
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