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jbm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 06:52 PM
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Chinas opinion on the state of our military..
or at least I think that's what this is. I stumbled across it while in search of something else, but I thought it was interesting...and chilling. I do not accept that the U.S. MUST fall, but I absolutely believe that it will fall unless we are willing to make drastic changes in the way that we think. Those kinds of changes require brilliant leadership. I believe John Kerry is up to the job. Bush ain't nuttin but a bad joke.



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"The United States, the world's sole superpower, developed a 'Vietnam syndrome' on account of its defeat with heavy casualties in the Vietnam war, and became careful and cautious for a time about getting involved in overseas conflicts. Success in the 1991 Gulf War produced a 'Gulf War syndrome' in the United States and it became enthusiastic about military intervention activities." (162) One article noted that, "Since 1990, the United States has dispatched troops more than 40 times, and 10 of them were strong military interventions." It concludes, "Given the large amount of indisputable evidence, the United States has become the world's major source of war by its arms expansion and implementation of hegemonism and power politics, and it has become a major threat to the world's peace. It is predictable that more countries will become test spots for the high- and new-technology weapons of the United States and the victims of its war machine." (163)

For Chinese analysts, the question is not whether the U.S. will once again interfere overseas, but where. In its pursuit of global hegemony and a unipolar world order, U.S. military intervention is expected to continue to occur throughout the transition period. According to Colonel Zhang Zhaozhong of NDU, "Gangster logic is now emerging ever more prominently. We should realize from this that at the turn of the century we are in an extremely unstable strategic pattern, and the United States is also testing the water. At present it is in midstream, not knowing if it can get to the opposite bank and whether there will be any dangerous rocks or reefs. I believe that this testing of the water will go on for several years, and we need to observe whether Chechnya or the Korean peninsula will be next." (164) An article in the Liberation Army Daily, after asserting that U.S. "gunboat policy will inevitably lead to endless wars and disorder all over the world," predicted that U.S. military interference may not be limited to smaller nations in the future. "The target today may be a small nation, but it could be a big country tomorrow! The target may be Kosovo today, but it could be any country that does not meet U.S. desires tomorrow. . . . War increasingly will become the major means adopted by the United States to establish a polarized pattern. Wars are not far away from us." (165)



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http://www.ndu.edu/inss/books/books%20-%202000/China%20Debates%20Future%20Sec%20Environ%20Jan%202000/pills2.htm#CDFch2


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number6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 06:58 PM
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1. yep,...was interesting...and chilling
:o
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KT2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 07:35 PM
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2. Wow! Thanks for this
we are crashing headlong into dependence upon China for our consumer goods. I did not find reference to that in this report but you can be sure that the Chinese have factored this in to their future plans.

Just as Bush defined a myth of the Iraqi's clamoring for democracy - our leaders assume that China desires democracy too. They believe this by missing the history and culture of China that demands not just independence but superiority.

Yes America will fail because it insists on viewing the world as they say in this report, as a mirror image of the US. And they take entirely too much comfort in pointing out how they fail to meet our myths about democracy.

China is HUGE in our future. They are to be approached with respect based on an accurate understanding of their successful history and culture.

PS - those most familiar with China, such as Japan, think the US is a fool in dealings with China.
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GodHelpUsAll2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 08:15 PM
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3. Don't forget
We now owe China a shit load of money. We borrowed from them to cover the Bush tax cuts. We are in to China for piles of money and the debt continues to rise.
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KT2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 08:20 PM
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5. Had not thought of that
but good point. Great issue for Kerry but it just does not have the cache.
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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 08:33 PM
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7. Repukes always look at me funny when
I tell them we are borrowing from China. I believe this is a GOOD point for Kerry to dwell on, since it must be emasculating to those red-blooded American boys....
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stavka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 08:19 PM
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4. I am trying to remember the last time China beat anybody except themselves
I'm sure there is a fortune cookie saying in there somewhere, but they lack military depth, experience, technology, and willpower.

Their airforce is where ours was in 1965

They may be able to threaten neighbors, but Tibet is about as big a foe that they can best.

Ask India, or Vietnam, or the South Koreans
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MostlyLurks Donating Member (738 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 12:48 PM
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8. Perhaps true...
If the specs on the sunburn missile are accurate, our air superiority is highly vulnerable, considering much of it would be provided by aircraft carriers which are, in turn, pretty much defensless agin' the sunburn.

http://www.fas.org/news/taiwan/2000/e-03-28-00-11.htm
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Cats Against Frist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 08:21 PM
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6. China's REAL opinion on the state of our military
"We OWN them, and we have one trazillion soldiers."

BWAHAHAHAHAHAH!

Thanks, corpo-fascists.
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