Need info on draft law forbidding going to Canada...

[Javaman]

I read about this a while back, but I need a link. Anyone have this info?

[Bluebear]

1. It's the "safe thrid country" agreement

Canada will take political refugees from every country in the world except the USA in an agreement from late 2002.

http://uscis.gov/graphics/publicaffairs/newsrels/SafeThird_03_08_04.pdf

[Maple]

2. There isn't one

"Canada accepts more legal immigrants relative to its population than any country on Earth.

In the past two years, almost half a million immigrants arrived, a shade less than half of them in one city alone -- Toronto. The largest numbers for the country as a whole, amounting to almost 40 per cent of the total, came from China, India, Pakistan and the Philippines.

The federal government, responsible for immigration targets, heralds these waves on humanitarian and economic grounds, the argument being that immigration shows Canada as a caring country whose new arrivals will fuel future economic growth."

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/index.html

We have two Americans here now, seeking status in court, that left because of the Iraq war.

[annabanana]

3. Be SURE to let us know how THAT comes out

IMWTO!
:scared:

[Maple]

4. Yeah, we're keeping an eye on it

Canada and the US have never taken each others 'political refugees'...since they were deemed not to exist...but just as Trudeau let in the 60s draft dodgers, look to our new PM Martin to do it openly too.

Meantime we have 'underground' movements that bring Americans into the country quietly.

[Bluebear]

5. What about the Safe Third Country exemption?

nt

[Maple]

7. What about it?

Won't prevent 'draft dodgers' from the US.

[AspenRose]

21. Wow. Underground Railroad, 21st Century style.

That's good information to know.

[Javaman]

6. No, this involves the a new law regarding the draft....

which includes not being able to go to canada and mexico, but also the drafting of college students after the current semister is completed. That's the one I'm talking about.

[theKnave]

8. It's not law...

... yet.

[Javaman]

9. I know it's not law, but there is a bill in congress regarding this action

that's what I'm looking for

[theKnave]

10. Congressional bill reference site...

http://thomas.loc.gov/bss/d108query.html

[Javaman]

11. Found it! Here's the link for anyone interested...

http://www.vancouver.indymedia.org/news/2004/01/105146.php

[theKnave]

12. HR163

here's the text, but there's not mention of canada or third country stuff... http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c108:H.R.163:

[Javaman]

14. As it turns out, it's part of Homeland security...

[theKnave]

16. additionally...

it calls for a mandatory national service, but it doesn't have to be military.

[Javaman]

17. yeah, right...

I'll believe that...

[theKnave]

18. It's key author is...

Charles Rangel (D) from New York. I'm not sure what his aim is.

[Javaman]

19. From what I understand...

His point is, to re-institute the draft so as all sectors of American society has to serve and make a sacrifice, not just the poor or the minorities. This is so all Americans have a vested interest in what decisions are made in the white house.
So it's not, "I know the son of a friend who's actually my 3rd cousin once removed on my mothers side, but he's really not a direct relation, that is serving over there."

[theKnave]

20. I can understand that...

... and wouldn't even be opposed to a universal service commitment as it can serve as additional skills training past high school. but if Kerry campaign keeps yelling, "DRAFT! DRAFT! DRAFT!", then this could backfire as the legislation was introduced and sponsored by fellow democrats.

[Maple]

15. Same thing

and it won't keep out draft dodgers.

Btw Manley was in our previous govt, and is now gone.

[KurtNYC]

13. Just to add to the confusion, A memorial in British Columbia

http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2004/09/08/draft_dogers040908.html

B.C. activists plan to erect a bronze sculpture honouring draft dodgers, four decades after Americans opposed to the Vietnam War sought refuge in Canada.

[BiggJawn]

22. I understand there is a treaty from 2001-2002...

Where the US will request that Canada return any person seeking asylum that the US declares to be a "Person of Interest".

Connected to the PATRIOT act...
Betcha Arschloch would want to see each and every "interesting" draft resistor as they are returned...