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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-17-04 02:16 PM
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Poll question: Does any member of the DLC accept money from rightwingers?
This is a simple yes-or-no poll designed to test the knowledge base of DUers in regards to DLC funding.

Expanded answers very welcome.

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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-17-04 02:19 PM
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1. It's not a fair question.
Uber-wealthy right-wingers (and left wingers, for the matter) tend to fund things on both sides, just not equally well.
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Droopy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-17-04 02:24 PM
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2. I don't know
But to be honest, I wouldn't turn down money from any source especially if I were a Democrat running for office. Just because a right winger may give you money for some unknown reason doesn't mean you'll turn to the right. Bush gave me money in the form of tax cuts and I'm still going to vote for Kerry.
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HFishbine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-17-04 02:27 PM
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3. How do you define "rightwingers?" (eom)
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MisterP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-17-04 02:38 PM
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4. David Koch & brother fund it;
fascistic Milt Friedman libertarians
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-17-04 09:31 PM
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5. Ding ding ding! That's one of many examples, yes.
And the one I was specifically thinking of.

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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-17-04 10:25 PM
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6. Bradley Foundation
The best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves. -- Lenin

And here, for those who may want it, is a LOT of information on the DLC:

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A NEW link (with an excerpt), not previously included in my usual link dump:

RIGHT WEB: http://rightweb.irc-online.org/org/ppi.php

Overview of DLC
http://rightweb.irc-online.org/ind/marshall/marshall.php

PPI
http://rightweb.irc-online.org/org/ppi.php

WILL MARSHALL: http://rightweb.irc-online.org/ind/marshall/marshall.phpAlthough Marshall calls himself a "centrist," he has associated himself with neoconservative organizations and their radical foreign policy agendas. At the onset of the Iraq invasion, Marshall signed statements issued by the Project for the New American Century calling for the removal of Saddam Hussein, advocating that NATO help "secure and destroy all of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction," and arguing that the invasion "can contribute decisively to the democratization of the Middle East." (7)

Marshall's credentials as a liberal hawk have been well established by his affinity for other PNAC-associated groups, including the U.S. Committee on NATO and the Committee for the Liberation of Iraq. Marshall served on the board of directors of the U.S. Committee on NATO alongside such leading neocon figures as Robert Kagan, Richard Perle, Randy Scheunemann, Paul Wolfowitz, Stephen Hadley, Peter Rodman, Jeffrey Gedmin, Gary Schmitt, and the committee's founder and president Bruce Jackson of PNAC. (8) At the request of the Bush administration, PNAC's Bruce Jackson also formed the Committee for the Liberation of Iraq, which, with DLC chairman Joseph Lieberman serving as co-chair together with John McCain, aimed to build bipartisan support for the liberation, occupation, and democratization of Iraq. Marshall, together with Robert Kerrey (who coauthored Progressive Internationalism), represented the liberal hawk wing of the Democratic Party on the committee's neocon-dominated advisory board. (9) Other advisers included James Woolsey, Elliot Cohen, Newt Gingrich, William Kristol, Jeane Kirkpatrick, Joshua Muravchik, Chris Williams, and Richard Perle.

On February 25, 2003, Marshall joined an array of neoconservatives marshaled by the Social Democrats/USA-a wellspring of neoconservative strategy-to sign a letter to President Bush calling for the invasion of Iraq. Marshall and others asked the president to "act alone if that proves necessary" and then, as a follow-up to a military-induced regime change in Iraq, to implement a democratization plan. The SD/USA letter urged the president to commit his administration to "maintaining substantial U.S. military forces in Iraq for as long as may be required to ensure a stable, representative regime is in place and functioning." Others signing the SD/USA letter included Hillel Fradkin, Rachelle Horowitz, Bruce Jackson, Penn Kemble, Robert Kagan, James Woolsey, Nina Shea, Michael Novak, Clifford May, and Ben Wattenberg. (10) (11)

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LINKS - What every DUer and every Dem needs to know about the DLC
http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/duboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=4443&forum=DCForumID22&archive=

Let's be REALLY honest about the DLC
http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/duboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=23262&forum=DCForumID60&archive=


Outing the "New Democrats" -- Pukes in Progressive Clothing.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/duboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=1435&forum=DCForumID34

Everyone who is a fan of the DLC, needs to read this post,
(Devils Advocate NZ's post is included)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/duboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=11323&forum=DCForumID60#114

Kerry, the New Democrats, and American Military Hegemony
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=326015#326061
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 02:34 AM
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8. Eloriel, I love ya. You always come through for us!
GREAT info. Exactly the kind of stuff I'd hoped others would bring forth.

Hopefully, some who are reluctant to see why many of us are not fond of the DLC and some of Kerry's advisors, like Marshall, will now understand a little better what we're concerned about.

Thanks for sharing this information. You're a keeper.

:)

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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-17-04 11:01 PM
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7. Evan Bayh gets HUGE coin from the Drug Industry...
But don't "Ask your Doctor", unless he reads Project VoteSmart...
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 02:35 AM
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9. Intriguing. Can you flesh that out a little?
NT!

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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 08:18 AM
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10. Go to vote-smart.org
They put out a pamphlet last cycle that had the drug industry giving over 100 kilobucks to him. Lawyers and finaciers were gave more, though.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 03:23 PM
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11. Ah, gotcha. Thanks for the tip!
I hope people are reading Eloriel's awesome links upthread. Good, important stuff there.

Kinda sad there wasn't more discussion on this. I guess Parlock trumps all. :D

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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 04:09 PM
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13. Eh well, I'm happy that we have a dem senator from Indiana
If he ran for president I would never vote for him in the primaries or would I support him gaining any leadership position, but he's better than a Republican in the senate seat.
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 05:45 PM
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15. He's there for us on the Enviroment,
But in other social issues he leans conservative. And on Health Care, he rides snugly in Eli Lilly's jock.

I don't like the ReTHUGlican party, but I don't like DLC DINO's either, and Evan has no fire. Still thinks there's a million gallons of Anthrax hidden in some Republican Guard officer's smokehouse or something...
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 03:54 PM
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12. Kick for "flamebait".
:P

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resident bunnypants Donating Member (55 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 05:15 PM
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14. kick. n/t
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