"Welcome Home Reagan Democrats" and "Republicans for Clark"

[roughsatori]

Here is a link. I got this from a link at the DraftClark website. I am curious what other DUers think.
http://www.draftwesleyclark.com/gop.html

[mightywurlitzer]

1. uuuhhhhh

link?

[mightywurlitzer]

2. there it is!

n/t

[mightywurlitzer]

3. sounds like

a bunch of pandering to me.

"In 1980 and 1984, a group of Democrats had the courage to elect a Republican President, to help stir our country from its slumber."

"...and by turning the tide of two elections, gave us an American President who restored our credibility in the eyes of the world."

uh huh.right.
:eyes:

[roughsatori]

8. Of course I thought it ridiculous, but on the other hand

it may explain somewhat the reason Clark supporters feel he would bring in moderate Republicans. As for the Reagan Democrats: I have always wondered if that was a media invention. I will have to go and do a little research to find the facts on the Reagan Democrats.

[madrchsod]

18. reagen democrats

yes they were real..i worked with alot of these guys before the steel industry got sold off. all my fellow union buddies were sick of carter and inflation,interest rates,america be held hostage by those towell heads..of course after reagen took over the whole steel and metal working industry were gone or the cheaper plants overseas flooded the us with cheap steel..those were tough days back then..but cheer up- these days are so much worse.....

[roughsatori]

19. thanks for that, and the dark joke at the end of your reply, LOL

[jfkennedy]

21. Don't feel alone

I spoke to my mother who actually dated the President of the AFL -CIO of New york State for 30 years, and she said that unions in the time of Corbett's time were in theory for the poor and not the middle class. His name was Ray Corbett do a goggle on him. He was the one that got the Civil rights laws of the 60s enforced in our day to day lives. Now we have wannabe be fakes like Dean that just want to see how many votes they can get before Bush beats them in the election. And I think Corbett also put the CIO in AFL.

I was shocked when she said the poor like it was not a bad word.

For up to the minute news on Wesley Clark go here:

http://antiwarmonger.com

[loyalsister]

23. Reagan "stood tall"

I watched some political analysis that said that that was one of the most common reasons given for supporting him.
Body language considered, * looks like a hapless slob, a smart ass adolescent who got away with some kind of little prank other times, and he walks around like the stereotypical "jock" trying to impress cheerleaders. It takes a brainwashed believer to consider his appearance to be statesman like.
In contrast, the other candidates do "stand tall" if not literally, figuratively, in the sense of having the presense of a real statesman\woman. They stand up straight and show they take the people who they are talking to seriously.

[Kahuna]

24. Lord, have mercy. (eyes rolling around in my head)..

These are the words of the republican who is spearheading the Republicans for Clark movement. These are not Clark's words. Clark does not know Josh Margules and did not put the words in his mouth.

[JVS]

4. Nice preying on people's fears

I've also never seen a supposed democratic hopeful's supporters speak so highly of defection from the party to Reagan. This is the ugly gum on the back of the ABB coin.

[Abaques]

7. I am ABB....

And I think that you are reading too much into this. This looks to be pretty much the viewpoint of one guy. The draftclark people are doing a good thing (in my opinion), but don't take everything they put out as what Clark wants. I've based my opinion of the man on his interviews and biography, not on word of mouth.

[JVS]

11. This is the essential problem with a drafting movement

Is that the candidate cannot be held accountable. The closest thing I can get to what Clark's vision is what his supporters put out there. That is the sad but inevitable result of Clark hiding behind his supporters rather than actually becoming a candidate. I opposed ABB from the beginning, basically it think it is a crutch for the Democratic party that would weaken us in the long run. Democratic candidates must be able to win support that is not pre-pledged. The Clark movement seems an attempt the by moderates and Right of center to cash in on the blank check that many Democrats have written.

[Abaques]

17. For the record....

I have only recently switched to supporting Clark.

My prefrence list....


1. Clark
2. Dean
3. Kerry
4. Gephardt
5. Kucinich
6. Sharpton
7. Mosley-Braun
8. Edwards
9. Graham
10. Lieberman


Lieberman is the only one that would test my ABB stance. I really feel that he is a repub-lite, but there are circumstances in which I would vote for him.

I am a Wellstone-Democrat. I am probably to the left of Nader on many issues actually. But I am pragmatic. The way to achieve the goals of true social justice, economic justice, and political justice is to work for incremental change.

The arch-conservatives have co-opted the political landscape and moved the center very far to the right, but they did not do this overnight. It took time. We need to be patient and keep working hard. A messiah will not land in our lap and bring back the spirit of FDR to the nation.

I am mostly in line with Kucinich's views, but the man has not shown that he can be president. He does not impress in interviews and he has not gotten his message across well enough. The views that it is apparent Clark has are generally progressive in nature, but most importantly, he seems to understand that we need make policy in regard to how it will effect the future generations who will inherit its consequences.


So I guess the reason I am ABB is because of personal pragmatism.


Four more years of Bush scares me alot more then four years of someone who shares at least some of my beliefs.

[roughsatori]

9. Hey, it's my fear: and it is linked from their site

actually looks to be an extension of their site. If posting what they have put on the Internet is preying on fears, so be it. Fear can motivate.

[JVS]

12. So you don't believe that the other nine candidates can keep you safe?

[roughsatori]

13. Yes I do, there are five that I would vote for without a pang of guilt

They are declared and I would not have to hold my nose. My fear is that the Democratic Party may drift even more toward the right.

[JVS]

15. Good. Because these candidates are the ones who will keep us from going

right. Picking the Homeland security issue from the GOP playbook might hurt the repubs in the short run, but in the longrun it enhances their grip on the debate. It legitimizes their "Democrats are weak on defence" line

[JasonBerry]

5. Uh...Let's See If We Can't Have This Guy Be All Things To All People...N/T

~

[Abaques]

6. Well....

The guy writing those statements obviously has a thing for Reagan (gag), but he's right that alot of people who vote repub based on the (false) image of them being stronger on defense will be attracted to Clark because of his biography and personallity.

[roughsatori]

10. I agree, though

Clark is touted for his supposed ability to draw in the swing voters, I wonder if will he pick up, or lose the more progressive Democratic voters.

[Bertrand]

14. Yeah

because we all know how much of a liberal Howard Dean is and he seems to be doing fine with the progressive wing.

[roughsatori]

16. Clark is not Dean NT

[dfong63]

20. reagan, ugh

Reagan ruined the american economy. the last thing we need is another Reagan. i wouldn't have voted for Reagan if he were a democrat. it creeps me out that people who worship Reagan have a shot at determining the dem candidate.

[TreasonousBastard]

22. Doesn't bother me a bit. So far.

One Republican is pitching Republicans to vote Democrat for this guy, and for straying Democrats to come home.

It's a little wierd, but politics does get wierd. It is a Clark site after all, and they found a "traitor." Or shill, or whatever.

OK, so the theory is that the Republican PTB and the Permanent Government has decided that Shrub is a hopeless case-- he has decided that he is really the President so isn't acting in accordance with The Plan, and is rapidly destroying the country. So they put their ringer in to take out the damaged goods.

Can't just shoot him, like they did Kennedy-- that just doesn't fly any more, except maybe for the occasional Democratic Senator. Besides, then we get Cheney, and the cycle starts over again. Best to just squeeze him out the hard way, since he won't listen to reason and quit like Nixon and Johnson did.

Yeah, could be. Needs more work, though.