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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 07:11 AM
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Hatred of Bush payback for hatred of Clinton ?
Republicans keep asking, "Why do the Democrats hate George Bush so passionately?" They see it as some type of disease of obsession. They do not understand why Democrats find Bush so despicable. It's their failure to deal with the loss of poltical power in the 1990's, they say. After controlling the Congress for almost 40 years, Democrats now find themselves outside in the dark.

But for Democrats, it is some consolation that the hatred is only temporary. No one could hate Bush as much as the Republicans hated Clinton, and they seem to have recovered from their obsession after George W Bush was selected to run the Executive Branch. So we can anticipate the hatred to dissipate as soon as the Democrats can reclaim the White House.
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 07:15 AM
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1. personally, I'm not that shallow
I've never liked Whistle Ass and it has nothing to do with how the repukes feel about Clinton. That logic is par for the course coming from the GOP, though. They're just that petty.

No, Whistle Ass gives me an endless number of reasons to think that he is something slimy and reptillian.
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rock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 08:27 AM
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21. Yep. The fact that they see that as a possible motive
(which would motivate then) tells you a lot about Repukians.
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StClone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 12:06 PM
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49. Republicans Hated Clinton for no reason
He was good looking, smart, successful and married to a Hillary. He did well for this country and it did well under his world view leadership. They invented scandals and lied because he beat them and they hated that: and they hated him for it.

Bush can be despised for being a total *%?# up. He is a catastrophe and a failure. Republicans invented the Clinton they hated in their minds. Bush can be looked at with hate and pity because he is a "driven disaster."
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Pepperbelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 05:47 PM
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69. not quite ...
they hated them because he whipped their collective asses in two elections, accomplished a great deal, beat them in their smear wars and left office far more popular than the sainted Ray-gun when he doddered off to California.
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terryg11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 07:16 AM
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2. I wouldn't think so
most dems tht I hear talking dislike him because he's so undeserving. The man is not smart and it's sad to think tht the leader of America doesn't have to be intelligent anymore. plus, his policies are bad business
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Democrats unite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 07:17 AM
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3. The reason I hate Bush has nothing to do with President Clinton!
I hate Bush because he is not only destroying America, he's destroying what America stands for! Any more questions?
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meti57b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 07:26 AM
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7. no questions. I think you've covered it in one sentence.
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bahrbearian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 07:18 AM
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4. I will always hate him, for murder and mayhem
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JPace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 07:21 AM
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5. I don't think so.....
"So we can anticipate the hatred to
dissipate"

It is rumored that elephants never forget,
but personally I think the JackAss is so
stubborn because he remembers even more
when he is abused. An angry Donkey knows
exactly what to do with a bush and it ain't
pretty!
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jumptheshadow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 07:23 AM
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6. Wow, great topic
I can think of several reasons why Bush would be despised: 1) The way he came into office; 2) He's an arrogant, self-righteous person who has gratuitously and peevishly alienated allies and who tends to generate strong, polarizing reactions; 3) He listened to nobody in the world except his inner circle about Iraq and many of us are sickened by this war; 4) We are also sickened by the doctrine of pre-emptive strikes, by the devastation that is being wrought on our environment, by his utter incompetence at economic management, by the ascendancy of criminal corporate behavior, etc., etc., etc.

At least we are reacting to life and death issues and not to some decades-old rehashed real estate scandal.
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CBHagman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 09:00 AM
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31. Beautifully put, jumptheshadow.
After listening to the likes of Michael Barone screaming about how Gore tried to "steal the election" (when Gore had gotten more votes than any candidate since Ronald Reagan), watching the Bush administration operate with little regard to accountability and an overt hatred of transparency, I can only pray that people will wake up to the sort of behavior practiced by Bush and his supporters.


It goes beyond political positions -- I can, for example, disagree with an Orrin Hatch but not feel moral revulsion towards him -- and into the very nature of American democracy and foreign policy. Bush has a frighteningly autocratic, secretive administration, and it's taking actions for which the country will pay dearly for decades to come.
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demnan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 07:27 AM
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8. I hated Bush from the start, before the selection
his flippant attitude toward the death penalty and obvious enjoyment of killing people is why I hate him! I told my friends, "this is an evil man - only an evil man would enjoy putting other people to death."

I don't hate McCain. McCain is an honorable man who served his country. I don't believe in his policies and I wouldn't vote for him, but I don't hate him.

I never hated George Senior - although I didn't know everything about him that I know now.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 08:19 AM
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18. It is not wrong to hate "evil" ?
And many people believe George W Bush to be an evil man... Good point, demnan.
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indigo32 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 10:03 AM
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37. 100% agreement Denman
what he was was obvious to me from the start and his obvious glee in the death penalty made me want to puke.

I will say this... while the right wing hatred of Clinton has no bearing in my feelings about *, I do occasionally remind them of it when they start whining.
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liberalmuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 07:28 AM
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9. I think there's much more to it...
Edited on Thu Aug-28-03 07:35 AM by liberalmuse
It's his policies. Every time I read something he's done, it's like being punched in the stomach, or spit in the face, and this is pretty much a daily event. It started with his stealing the election via the despicable maneuverings of James Baker III. I knew the 'pubs were going to steal the election, only I thought I was getting overly paranoid. It was awful to have it actually happen, because that meant they were as desparate to get back their grip on power as I had believed, and it wasn't going to be easy getting rid of them this time.

Also, I could not stand Bush I by the end of his term, or to look at the faces of the arrogant, war mongering Cheney, Baker and Rumsfield, even though I supported Gulf I (in retrospect, that was an unjust war IMO). Bush I was a thin-skinned man who always complained about the press 'persecuting' him. I used to like the guy, but that was before I saw how weak he was in character. His son is a watered-down version of him. The thought of another Bush in office made me physically ill, and we all knew exactly what Bush II was before he was elected because we didn't take our pastor's word for it that he was a 'godly man'. By the way, this wasn't personal with Bush I or even Reagan--it was about their policies. They did a lot of damage while in office, and gave birth to the meanness, childishness and pettiness that seems to pervade the Republican party today.

We all knew that Bush II was going to find any excuse to invade Iraq again, and that he was going to once again open the public treasury for the greedy oil pigs to pillage, like Reagan and Bush I did in the 80's. To know exactly what's going to happen, but be unable to stop it has been very frustrating. Bush has done exactly what most of us thought he would, and much, much worse.

I think the problem 'pubs had with Clinton was his 'immorality'. A lot of them have a problem with getting overly involved in other people's sex lives. They also made up stuff about Clinton--the Falwell body count, the Vince Foster thing, etc. It's personal with them.
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Catshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 07:29 AM
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10. Why I Hate Whistle-Ass
10.Rice
9. Enron & Kenny Boy
8. Wolfie
7. Rummy
6. The Iraq Crusade (Bring it on, baby)
5. Environment
4 Tax cuts
3. Cheney
2. Ashcroft
1. It's the economy, stupid!

Not to mention he's stupid.
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 07:34 AM
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11. On the surface logic of this would apply except…
It isn’t just Democrats that hate Bush. Look around the world has there ever been a more despised American president?
As for me I hate republicans for their attitude during the Clinton years and the Nixon years and the Carter years and the Regan years.... well you get the idea. I just hate republicans.
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nannygoat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 10:04 AM
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38. For those of you who didn't see this the first go-round...
I hate republicans
http://www.bushflash.com/ihr.html

This pretty much sums up how I feel about the repukes and the destruction they've wrought in our country.

Also, the Daily Howler takes Byron York and Rich Lowry to task for their lying:

LYING LIARS OF THE WORLD, UNITE! Byron York came up with a puzzling “fact.”
http://www.dailyhowler.com/dh082203.shtml
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 07:36 AM
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12. "We have to support and respect the president"
Edited on Thu Aug-28-03 07:38 AM by Gman
The right wing has some serious short term memory problems. They somehow forget that they never claimed Clinton as their president. They get puzzled looks when you remind them Trent Lott said "you can support the troops and not support the president" which many of us did during the Iraq invasion.

Of course the right wing has always had memory problems with things they would rather not remember.

p.s. How nice to see a GD post that is more than 3 words and one sentence and not about Dean in some form or fashion.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 07:40 AM
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13. To Me It's Not About Hatred
but crimes against humanity.
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Sperk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 07:44 AM
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14. So if Clinton didn't exist, we'd LIKE Bush?
I think our feelings for Smirky are well founded and based on HIS actions and that of his criminal administration.
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 08:14 AM
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16. To validate your point...
we hated Nixon for his policies long before there was Bill Clinton. We hated Reagan & Bush I for their policies. But we probably hated Bush I the least, but strongly disliked him nonetheless.

Also, there's a school of thought that says there's strong indications that Whitewater and Bill's impeachment was payback for Watergate.
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efhmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 08:35 AM
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27. I hated the little smirky creep when he was lounging around, destroying
Texas. He made Texas hated around the country and now he is making the USA hated around the world. I expect he will find someway to piss off the universe also. With all the evil that has happened to us with or without his help since he has been in office, it would seem that bad universal karma has already happened.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 12:26 PM
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55. Ha!ha! Best short answer! It's Clinton's fault we hate W, obviously!
The mighty clenis.
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 02:51 PM
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65. Wow, yet another reason for them to hate Clinton
"It's Clinton's fault the Dems hate our great President so much!"

I'm sure the Omnipotent Clinton Penis had something to do with it too.

Bake
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 07:51 AM
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15. Almost insanely hilarious
pResident Whistleass would be a corrupt disaster who deserves nothing but the contempt of decent people even if the GOP had had a love-in with Clinton...

But by trying to cover up his many instances of wrongdoing and failure as "just Bush hating like what we used to do" they're admitting that their horseshit during the Clinton years WAS horseshit.

Meanwhile, I have to take exception with one part of your post: "they seem to have recovered from their obsession after George W Bush was selected to run the Executive Branch."

Not so...there is still a hard-core cadre of Goebbels-wannabes trying to blame this unelected drunk's every failure on Clinton.
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paulsbc Donating Member (314 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 08:19 AM
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17. i thought we hated
all conservatives? :)

well, I don't *hate* any of them, I just disagree with many of their policies and thought processes. Especially the religious dogmas they follow and want to impose on the rest of us...
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Gin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 08:28 AM
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22. I can't stand the man and his policies and his close advisors..
I understand how the Clinton haters feel..I have a deep revulsion of shrub ...if he wasnt so awful..I may not feel this way.
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 08:26 AM
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19. I was all over Clintons ass
when he wagged the dog, signed away on Gay Marriage (DOMA), and welfare reform..he pissed me off too...


But Bush??? Hell, his group Ive NEVER liked, and never will..from the day the election was stolen til now its been one long nightmare from hell of Illegal Thuggery , Lies, and destruction of this country.
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ninkasi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 08:27 AM
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20. I hate him for the harm he's caused
Whistle Ass has done so much to cause pain to people, not just in this country, but throughout the world. I can find absolutely no valid reason to have anything but disgust and contempt for him and his gang of thugs. My feelings have nothing to do with any treatment of President Clinton, I can honestly say that when I read about the latest simian atrocity, my revulsion is for the atrocity, not treatment of the former president.

Maybe he never accomplished anything else on his own, but Whistle Ass has damn well accomplished something now...the undying loathing of civilized people world wide.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 08:28 AM
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23. ABSOLUTELY NOT
I HATED BUSH WHEN HE WAS MY F***ING GOVERNOR BECAUSE HE'S A G.D ILLITERATE PUPPET.
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 08:31 AM
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24. Nope....not a bit.
It's not at all payback, although I have been a bit more vicious in my anti-Bush tactics perhaps as a result of the viciousness of the right on Clinton.

The simple fact is that when it became apparent we would end up with Bush I resigned myself to the idea that I have lived though Nixon, Reagan, and Bush 41, so I could put up with another republican in the White House.

I was totally unprepared for the unmitigated arrogance of Bush and the disaster of his presidency. My hatred of him and his administration stems from his deeds in office which I have found reprehensible and anti-American, not as payback for the right wing's behavior toward Clinton which basically seems pathological in nature to me since he was more conservative and middle of the road than most republicans will acknowledge.
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bearfartinthewoods Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 08:32 AM
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25. i'd like to give an NO answer to this but i have seen the phrase
payback's a bitch posted way to many times here to do so.

it's a minority, thank goodness, but it's here.
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 08:34 AM
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26. I Don't Hate. I Loathe
And, i don't even care about the Clinton thing in this regard. It's what he stands for and the vacuousness of the ideas of the neocons that i loathe.

At the same time, payback is hell. Tough!
The Professor
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 08:54 AM
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29. I reject the notion this shrub is a plain speaking good ole boy
who has the Nations best interest in mind and heart.

Selfish, narrow visioned, and inept is more like it. This dufus gigantus is a menace to the future of our children and the planet. The man clearly is lacking.
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Zero Gravitas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 08:45 AM
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28. Nothing to do with Clinton-hating
I loathe and despise Bush* and it has nothing to do with the Piggys hating Clinton or the fake "scandals" they used againt him. I never liked Bush* when he ran because he was an empty, arrogant Aristocrat who felt he was entitled to be POTUS because of his family and because he was an utter failure on his own merits. Not exactly Presidential material especially when compared to a Rhodes Scholar from a humble background like Clinton.

Then came the thrft of the 2000 election, the appointment of Aschcroft, and the overwhelming cocky arrogance of Bush* and his cronies. The dislike blossomed into something much more. The combination of arrogance, a sense of entitlment, the bare faced brazen lies and the utter incompetence of these people never fails to anger me.

And it just keeps getting worse: Bush*'s incometence before 9/11 when briefed on the threat, his cowardice on the day, Ashcroft's draconian measures following the attacks and Bush*'s arrogant squandering of the goodwill of the entire planet all go to show that the wrong man (in more ways than one) was sworn in as Pres. on Jan 20, 2001. And thats not to even mention the massive corruption of this misadministration.

Of course History will remember bush* as the man who invaded Iraq, and that will be punishment enough so long as he is kicked out of office in the next Election.
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Brian Sweat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 08:56 AM
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30. This is just another example of right wing projection.
Republicans exhibited a highly irrational hatred of Bill Clinton even though most of his policies were center-right. I believe much of this hatred stems from Democratic "attacks" on Reagan. Reagan and his administration broke the law quite a few times and made lots of blunders. As a result, they were constantly being pilloried in the press and by Democrats who still had a spine at that time. The Republicans didn't care that the attacks were justified. It infuriated them that we did not worship Reagan the way that they did.

When Clinton became president, they decided to get even. Now, they are just inpuning the same motives on us. The truth is that Bush and his policies are completely anathema to everything that Democrats believe in. It is only natural that we would bristle at his every move. The same cannot be said of Clinton and the Republicans, but they would have attacked him if he had towed the GOP platform.
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Zolok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 09:12 AM
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32. Yes...
I don't see anything wrong with revenge.
Unless it's revenge ineptly executed.

www.chimesatmidnight.blogspot.com



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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 09:28 AM
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33. I didn't like the Bush family before (long before)1988
so it's got nuttin to do with Clinton.

It's just a case of Republicans pointing their fingers at others for their own actions. Whenever a republican blames a democrat for anything, it's because the republican did it-or did it for that reason-so they attribute their motivations to others.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 09:33 AM
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34. No I would Hate bush even if they loved Clinton!
bush is a destroyer.
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FloridaPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 09:48 AM
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35. I wondered for 8 years why the repubs went after Clinton.
Now I know. He interrupted their plans to take over the country. I've hated repubicans since Reagan. The repubs spent 12 years covering up Reagan-Bush illegal items, then spent 8 years trying to uncover anything against Clinton. And here we are again, them covering up at this point everything about Bush.

I have met a lot of people who think the worse thing in the world a president can do is have sex. Or at least get caught having sex. It floors me. Lying about war is OK, destroying a government is OK, destroying the Consititution is OK, but sex isn't?

And actually, BIll's claim he didn't have sex in the Biblical sense was true - which is more than one can say for just about anything Bush says.
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sujan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 09:49 AM
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36. I hated Clinton's policies and Bush's
so what's their fucking point?

Nothing personal. When it's wrong, it just is...
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Marymarg Donating Member (773 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 10:19 AM
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39. Hatred of Bush
Has nothing to do with Clinton.

Hatred and contempt may be the only thing the child President has earned on his own. He can take full credit.
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 10:29 AM
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40. You mean, poor little Bushboy
did nothing at all to merit all that Democratic scorn?

I'd find that arrogant, ignorant preppie intolerable if Clinton had never existed.
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ArkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 10:31 AM
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41. I hated Reagan and Bush 1 just as much.
Didn't we all?
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ikojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 11:57 AM
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48. I so hated Raygun and Bush the First
that I switched the television channel anytime they were on. I would almost hurl at the sight of their faces and the sounds of their voices.

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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 10:52 AM
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42. we hate him because he doesn't care
about anyone but himself and his rich friends. From the moment he took office he has made that clear. When he didn't win the popular vote, I thought he'd extend an olive branch to the majority of Americans who didn't vote for him. I really did. Then he nominated Ashcroft. I was stunned by the arrogance. Then he told the rest of the world he didn't care about their air quality because it might cost American businesses some money to keep it clean. Then he said Americans can commit war crimes by saying I won't join your stinking treaty. We are better than you are.

He makes us all feel like we don't matter. And he makes the rest of the world feel the same way. That's why we hate him.
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HFishbine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 11:21 AM
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43. For the same reasons
I imagine that the republican hatred of Clinton felt very much like my hatred of Bush feels (excluding any reasons for justification) -- he's a damn lier.
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MODemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 11:31 AM
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44. My disdain for Bush has nothing to do with Bill Clinton
In the first place, there isn't even a slight comparison between the two. Bill Clinton is intelligent, and won two elections legally. On the other hand, Bush is an arrogant rich white boy who has, all of his life, had everything handed to him, including the presidency. I'm sick to death of the news media in this country stooping so low as to cover Bush's screw-ups 24/7/365, and propping him up before the public to make him seem as if he is just the ordinary Joe, who is working on behalf of the people.
It really makes no difference to me how much the republicans despise Bill Clinton, because they're just a bunch of crooks and liars anyway.
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Generic Other Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 11:47 AM
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45. Already our hatred of Bush is nearly universal
I know people who supported Bush, the war on terror, Iraq, the tax cuts.

A lot of them are changing their minds too. And making a point of telling me so. I have a feeling this is happening to a lot of us.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 11:48 AM
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46. No, hatred of Bush* is not payback for Clinton.
Whistle-ass Bush is in a league of his own. He's a major league asshole.
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catzies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 03:49 PM
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67. Big time.
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ikojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 11:55 AM
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47. I hate, loath and despise Bush but not because of how
the pugs treated Clinton. When confronted by Bushistas about respecting the office and the office holder I remind them that their very Republican heroes in the House and Senate did nothing but ride Clinton from the day he took office to the day he left and they really haven't let up. I don't recall a whole lot of rank and file Repugnicans showing Clinton any respect even before he won the presidency.

I hate, loath and despise Bush because he epitomizes all that is wrong with American culture. Here is a brat who was to the manor born and had access to the best education America offers and still did nothing. People talk about the sense of entitlement among welfare recipients but never about the sense of entitlement among upper middle class and rich kids.

He cares nothing about those who are not rich and/or well connected. He cares nothing about the future as is proven by his environmental and educational policies not to mention the tax give away to the rich.

He comes from a family rife with corruption and crime. It is true when Mike Malloy calls it the Bush Crime family that is for sure.

I do not owe this imposter, this charlatan any respect.
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tokenlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 12:13 PM
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50. They just don't get it!...
Edited on Thu Aug-28-03 12:15 PM by tokenlib
The distain many of us feel for Bush has very little to do with Clinton. It is simply that he not only pursues traditional Republican policies--he more or less personifies them. Anti-environment, anti-worker, arrogant in pursuit of class warfare, social darwinist in domestic policy, the selfish and greedy magic kingdom of Grover Norquist... There is so little not to despise.

Other republicans have tried to hide their ultimate policy goals such as destruction of social security and the New Deal/Great Society legacy. Scratch beneath the skin of this man and the horror is so clear to see.

If the repukes think it is just Bush--they are badly mistaken. It is policy and philosophy--or at least it should be.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 12:13 PM
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51. nope, Whistle Ass deserves it all in his own right
waste of skin

piece of shit

evil, stupid, ignorant fascist.
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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 12:14 PM
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52. If McCain had won - for instance
and he had been reasonable - and didn't get us into a war that he and his friends were profiting from. I certainly wouldn't have hated him.

He didn't smirk so and I probably would be able to stand to listen to him speak.

Republicans - my brother - for instance - like to think it is payback hate - because they don't want to admit to what a corrupt idiot Bush is.
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DealsGapRider Donating Member (650 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 12:17 PM
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53. I disagree somewhat...
I think in many ways the hatred of Bush by Democrats is just as pronounced -- and irrational -- as the hatred felt by Repugs toward Clinton. Bush is an awful, awful president to be sure. His policies are incredibly destructive and he is deserving of our contempt. But some who really detest Bush take it to a level that is not only unreasonable, but reminiscient of the venomous right-wing assaults on Clinton. All this business about comparing Bush to a Nazi, trying to establish connections between the Bush family and the Nazis, suggesting Bush was behind the 9/11 attacks, etc...it's precisely the kind of crap that the far right pulled with Clinton. It's immature, destructive and unbecoming of progressive thinkers.

If Dems and progressives would focus on the actual harm Bush is doing to the country instead of make believe conspiracy theories and petty bullshit, we would resonate with a lot more swing voters who recoil at posters depicting Bush with a Hitler mustache.


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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 02:01 PM
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58. So you don't think Bush is "evil" ?
Because we should hate "evil", correct?
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DealsGapRider Donating Member (650 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 02:06 PM
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60. No, I don't think he is evil. Stupid and incompetent, but not evil.
I think he is: galactically unqualified to be president; unintelligent; naive; able to be manipulated by unscrupulous people; ignorant; callous; unsophisticated; greedy. And I think many of his policies result in horrific results. But no, I don't think he is evil per se. Few people are.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 02:08 PM
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61. Not evil like Saddam Hussein ....
Right?
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DealsGapRider Donating Member (650 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 02:09 PM
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62. That's correct, Kentuck.
I don't think the two can be compared.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 12:20 PM
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54. Latest talking point - more GOP projection.
I am not sure about now, but I was not hating W - only his policies at the time of the major Clinton bashing (during Clinton's presidency I was barely registring). It's only since the 9.11 sploitation, the war, the preemption thingy that I am not sure I can still say honestly "it's only the policies that I hate"
I am a NYC-er - one of those who breathed the air W lied about, one of those for whom W couldn't intrerrupt his fundraiser to pretend he cares about the blackout, one of those who'll have the shameless hoopla next year making 9.11 a GOP accomplishment. So, you tell me - do I need Clinton to hate W?
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 12:27 PM
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56. I hate Bush because he is a drunk, a moron, and a drug user
Not to mention the way he is screwing the country
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 12:29 PM
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57. Huh???? "recovered from their obsession"?
Edited on Thu Aug-28-03 12:31 PM by SoCalDem
Not in a million years.. If anything , it only emboldened them..They have chosen to demonize Hilary, and torment her now.. They are so afraid of losing their vitriol target, that they must hang on to them like a lucky rabbit's foot that they cannot part with, even though they know it's not really lucky..

The venom that they have been forcefed for years through all the rabblerousers like Rush, that effectively brainwashed a segment of the population, is still there and it has made them, well.... NUTS..

They respond to the "trigger words" like so many pavlovian dogs...They probably don't even know they are being manipulated, but the hate that they feel is real, and it did not go anywhere.. Like some insidious spore, it's just dormant from time to time, waiting to come to life when they "hear the call to action"..

FR is a prime example of this.. It was established during the Clinton years so that the Clinton haters could have yet one more venue to demonize them.. According to everything that I understand, THEY WON.. They demonized him, the ones in office impeached him and smeared his reputation permanently, their guys took over all power in DC, and yet, every day they carry on as if they are still in the "bunker"...

If they had truly moved on, they would be reveling in the glory of their "masters" instead of still trashing the Clintons, and making out that milquetoast Daschle into some kind of Machiavelli.. It's almost comical the way they go after him and Gephardt..:).. These guys are lightweights when it comes to the meanspirited pittbullish behavior or "their" guys..

The anger I feel has less to do with Bush , personally, than it does with the "VRWC" who pushed him across the finish line.. If he had "won fair and square", most Dems would be hurt and upset, but would manage, like we did during Reagan and Poppy ..

It's the smarmy, sleazy "way" that he became president, and the fact that, if they "got away with it" once, they would surely do it again, that truly eats at my soul..

Bush is a stupid little man surrounded by dangerous men..

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mandyky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 02:05 PM
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59. No dumbya has earned every bit of what
he is getting. Maybe Clinton did from the other end, too. I often wished he had apologized once it was all over with. And I love Bill Clinton. I can only guess how BC haters feel....
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 02:16 PM
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63. It's just the new talking point--they're trying to discredit us by
portraying us as "haters"

Never mind that our hatred of this democracy thief is righteous and based on democratic principle and relevant to our lives as US citizens, NOT shallow and personal and based in envy, like the base hatred against the Clintons that so besmirched the last decade. .
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 02:18 PM
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64. Well said, librechik ....
There is definitely a distinction.
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kaybea Donating Member (129 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 03:43 PM
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66. Not by a long shot...
My hatred of Republicans began with that f*ckstick Ronald Reagan, who blighted my adolescence with fear and loathing after he joked about starting nuclear war--remember that?? I do. I also remember my dad losing his job, and my parents losing their house.

Fast forward to Bu$h the first, I was in college when that tool was in office. When I graduated in 1991, there wasn't a job to be found for recent grads, unless you wanted a career in fast food. I feel sorry for grads now, so reminiscent of my experiences in the early '90s. Is it any wonder, with Tool Two in charge?? Just like his old man, Tool One.

Now, Bu$h II, my hatred of him and all he stands for knows no bounds. Indeed my longstanding hatred of Republicans has been burnished to a high gloss under this ultimate tool.

I can say in all honesty that what they did to Clinton is but a footnote in the long history of my simmering hatred.

Thanks for the opportunity to share. End of rant.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 05:43 PM
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68. Kick!
:kick:
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corarose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 05:52 PM
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70. The hatred of Bush is all over the world
The republicans were jealous of our great President Clinton and they hated him because of it.

People hate the PIECE OF SHIT for his stealing the Presidency, starting a war and killing people and especially being a LIAR.

I have never hated anyone in my life before but I have been taught how to hate by the Bush crime family.
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gulliver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 05:58 PM
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71. Bush hides; Clinton doesn't.
That's how you know which one is really worthy of hatred. It's that simple. Bush does everything in his power to avoid scrutiny for exactly one reason: even his own people know he's a twit.
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Sterling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 06:18 PM
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72. I wish.
Unfortunately Bush inspires hatred quite well.
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