"The sonofabitch lied!!"

[Flying_Pig]

Why aren't any of the candidates using "truthful" vernacular when describing Bush's deceitful tactics in the run up to the Iraq war? Just like the media, it seems they hedge when talking about Bush's "use of false information" to preface the war.

Yes, a couple of the candidates have come close, and I suppose one could parse their words to come up with the same meaning, but no one has yet come right out and said: "the sonofabitch lied".

What I am not seeing or hearing, is what actually happened: "the sonofabitch lied!".

Why can't anyone, except a few liberal columnists and writers, bring themselves to tell it like it is: "the sonofabitch lied!"?

They are doing the same thing in Britain. They accuse Tony Blair of "sexing up the dossier". That may well be good and true, but the fact is: "the sonofabitch lied"!. Why don't they just come out and say so?

In this country, that part of the media that is not in direct cahoots with this administration, but still supported the war, is there any sense of contrition? Will they be able to admit that "they" were used by this government to spread propaganda and lies? Will they finally come out and say: "the sonofabitch lied!"?

Is it an indication of undeserved respect and diplomacy towards the sitting "chief executive" on the part of the media and the political opposition, is it fear, or perhaps collusion, that is stopping all of them from saying: "the sonofabitch lied!"?

Until I hear the candidates and the media say something like the following, I simply don't have much hope for our nation, our political process, or the truth:

"The truth of the matter is that the Bush administration has lied about Iraqi weapons of mass destruction and the Iraqi links to Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda. The Bush administration worked the lynch mob up into a murderous frenzy by fabricating evidence and misrepresenting facts. In lying to the American people, the United States Congress, and the international community, the Bush administration has demonstrated flagrant disregard for the rule of law and the very virtues of American society." (Scott Ritter, from his book, "Frontier Justice")

The first candidate that actually comes out and says: "the sonofabitch lied!", or words to that effect, using the word "lie", will most likely get my vote.

Until we see the media, and the rest of the nation, embrace "the sonofabitch lied!" concept, I have little or no faith in the survival of our democracy. Until I hear a candidate discuss bringing to justice those who have perpetrated foisted this monstrous deception and conspiracy upon the nation and the world, I will have little or no faith for our future.

[mjb4]

1. mine too -- Al and Dean

come the closest. SLAP THAT MONKEY! 04

[budmo]

3. Yep!

Yep Al and Dean have come pretty close ...I guess there is this ridiculas "political descretion".
Hasn't done us much good has it!:puke:

[kentuck]

4. Welcome, budmo !

:)

[Flying_Pig]

7. The country doesn't need...

"discretion" right now. It needs to feel the cleansing bath of truth.

As far as not embracing the actual telling of truth, as a means to cater to the "middle", I call bullshit. It's not really a matter of catering to anyone. It's a matter of the survival of our republican democracy.

We can't count on politicians to be truthful, so the bigger crime, is that the Fourth Estate has foundered in its responsibilities to act as a foundation of democracy, by unearthing and publishing ...TRUTH!

[newyawker99]

14. Hi budmo!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[ewagner]

2. General rule

In politics the general rule is this:

Tell your opponent to "Go to Hell" in such a manner that he looks forward to the trip.

Both parties have "marginal" supporters. The trick is to strip off the marginal supporters and leave only the most hard core in the camp. (you're never going to change their minds anyway) If your rhetoric becomes too volitile, you won't strip off those supporters, you will only galvanize them to join the more hard core.

Remember this: the fight is always for the voters in the middle.

[gratuitous]

9. I tend to agree

Let's build this slowly. It's only been in the last couple of weeks that the presstitutes have seen fit to suggest that Chimpy may not be the Second Coming of Christ, and that idea is still quite strange to a lot of people who aren't tuned in. Questions are poking up through the soil of folks' minds, but if you try to force it, you might lose it, and we've seen how quickly the media will get back to servicing Chimpy as soon as they can (Chinese spy plane incident, Cheney's secret energy meetings, Enron corruption, and all those other times we thought we had him).

Bring it along, and when you see things like Toby Keith questioning the lies, you know that things are headed in the right direction. Encourage it, nurture it, and pretty soon we'll have the Bushistas packing their own bags for that all expenses paid trip to Hell.

[never cry wolf]

10. you are quite correct

if we lose it it will be gone forever. do it carefully, thoroughly and permanently. can't shock the sheeples all at once. drip, drip, drip!!!

[Bushknew]

21. Election 2000 proves the opposite

<<the fight is always for the voters in the middle.>>

Gore lost a lot of the left to Nader in 2000.

[indepat]

5. Maybe it's because only liberals are

sonsofabitches?

[lpbk2713]

6. The biggest obstacle is voter apathy.

People don't go out and vote because they "don't think they can make any difference". We need to promote a sense of outrage at the tactics of the likes of Chimpy and his co-conspiritors.

[FloridaPat]

8. They had no trouble doing that whenever they thought

Clinton lied. Yes, it's very upsetting.

[Walt Starr]

11. Lieberman could get my vote if he would say that

And I think DU knows how I feel about Lieberman!

[Flying_Pig]

12. That would be a tough one!!!

I completely share your dislike of LIEberman, but damn, if he came out and said, "The sonofabitch lied!", well, I might have to reconsider. NOT! As we know HOlyJoe won't be the one to say it, we have nothing to worry about Walt...
:evilgrin:

[Jacobin]

17. Um, Lieberman is a bigger supporter of Bush and the invasion

than anyone else.

He has recently reaffirmed the "righteousness" of the invasion.

[GreenArrow]

13. Kucinich did

on one of the Sunday Public affairs shows a few weeks back.

He didn't use "son of a bitch" but he did say the man was lying. He may have thrown Cheney in for good measure.

Kucinich supporters? Anyone remember this?

[Wetzelbill]

18. Yup

Kucinich has been vocal. Not sure exactly what he said (or has been saying) offhand, though.

[Narraback]

15. PM Kick

nt

[cthrumatrix]

16. some did...but media control in this country is out of hand....

DK spoke up and has continued....the media dare not ask questions of "shrub"...thier masters have spoken

[ElsewheresDaughter]

19. Kucinich was the first to say "bush lied" and has not stopped saying it!

also Sharpton and dean have said it

[BeFree]

22. Graham said it too!

"If the same standard were held to * as was to Clinton by the republicans, * would be impeached" said Bob Graham

The next time * says just about anything, the candidates should say "There you go again".

The sheeple dig humorous slams. They like the smirking joke with a punchline. We've got to give 'em what they want. "There he goes again, that shucking and jiving bush makes a hard target"

[Booberdawg]

20. It's because the media and most political machinery

is in the bush* crime family's back pocket and it would backfire, that's why. And a disgracefully uninformed electorate.

Great post, BTW

[leftofthedial]

23. Kucinich has said it

From a June 24 Kucinich press release:


"America faces a crisis of the legitimacy of the government itself, which lied to the American people to get approval for a war."