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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-28-03 10:32 AM Original message |
I beginning to get very suspicious of the dichotomy: socially liberal and |
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glarius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-28-03 10:34 AM Response to Original message |
1. Seems to me he's more like 100% opportunistic! |
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PurpHaze69 (110 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-28-03 10:41 AM Response to Original message |
2. And the masses are |
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newyawker99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-28-03 12:29 PM Response to Reply #2 |
37. Hi PurpHaze69!! |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-28-03 10:42 AM Response to Original message |
3. 'Economically conservative' is a label |
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WhoCountsTheVotes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-28-03 10:44 AM Response to Reply #3 |
5. It's a code word for pro-corporate |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-28-03 10:46 AM Response to Reply #5 |
6. Yeah, except Dean calls himself |
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WhoCountsTheVotes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-28-03 10:49 AM Response to Reply #6 |
9. same difference |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-28-03 10:58 AM Response to Reply #9 |
15. So you're equating fair trade |
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ryharrin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-28-03 01:24 PM Response to Reply #9 |
45. It wasn't just one interview. |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-28-03 10:51 AM Response to Reply #5 |
10. I believe Keynes liked a deficit when you |
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IrateCitizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-28-03 12:51 PM Response to Reply #10 |
43. Keynes advocated spurring growth through deficit spending |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-28-03 11:11 AM Response to Reply #5 |
21. Exactly |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-28-03 10:49 AM Response to Reply #3 |
8. I think the meaning has been firmed up in the last 4 years |
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StandWatie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-28-03 10:44 AM Response to Original message |
4. Arnold would probably get a great ADA rating if he was a democrat.. |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-28-03 10:52 AM Response to Reply #4 |
12. Only if you give no weight to what really makes a conservative-- |
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Liberal Classic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-28-03 10:47 AM Response to Original message |
7. Let me pose a couple of simple questions |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-28-03 10:57 AM Response to Reply #7 |
14. Higher taxes doesn't even address the whole issue. |
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redeye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-28-03 11:04 AM Response to Reply #14 |
16. Those're not the only points of economic consevratism |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-28-03 11:16 AM Response to Reply #16 |
25. What I'm arguing is that, today, it IS easy to place economic |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-28-03 11:16 AM Response to Reply #16 |
26. What I'm arguing is that, today, it IS easy to place economic |
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Liberal Classic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-28-03 11:12 AM Response to Reply #14 |
22. How can someone be against "the benefits of society?" |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-28-03 11:21 AM Response to Reply #22 |
30. The issue is not whether you have them, but who gets them |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-28-03 10:52 AM Response to Original message |
11. economically conservative means you're going to cut taxes,and cut service? |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-28-03 11:10 AM Response to Reply #11 |
20. exactly. It's shifting burdens and benefits. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-28-03 11:17 AM Response to Reply #11 |
27. It also means making sure money is spent wisely |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-28-03 11:25 AM Response to Reply #27 |
31. That's the Keynsian angle. Debt is good if it's being invested |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-28-03 12:34 PM Response to Reply #31 |
41. Yes, but we still need a couple of guarantees |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-28-03 01:22 PM Response to Reply #41 |
44. The guarantee would be in having an informed public debate |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-29-03 01:00 AM Response to Reply #11 |
69. Exactly. Means don't waste the good you've got. |
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redeye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-28-03 10:54 AM Response to Original message |
13. First, let's agree on one thing: |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-28-03 11:08 AM Response to Reply #13 |
19. Don't get me wrong. |
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redeye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-28-03 11:14 AM Response to Reply #19 |
23. Gephardt is close to 100% economic but sucks socially |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-28-03 11:29 AM Response to Reply #23 |
32. Gephardt is 100% labor. That isn't the same thing. |
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redeye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-28-03 12:33 PM Response to Reply #32 |
40. Would you mind proving your theory... |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-28-03 01:25 PM Response to Reply #40 |
46. It's a theory based on obeservation |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-28-03 11:05 PM Response to Reply #19 |
58. That is just plain false |
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redeye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-28-03 11:41 PM Response to Reply #58 |
60. The BNP in Britain... |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-28-03 11:43 PM Response to Reply #60 |
61. I admit to never having heard of them |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-29-03 12:02 AM Response to Reply #61 |
67. When were ther communist governments? 30 years ago? |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-29-03 12:00 AM Response to Reply #60 |
66. the BNP are avowed fascists. |
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Terwilliger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-28-03 11:06 AM Response to Original message |
17. its not possible |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-28-03 11:20 AM Response to Reply #17 |
29. "Sparing no expense" is a sure way to fiscal Hell |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-28-03 11:33 AM Response to Reply #29 |
34. See, this is where the real public policy debate should |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-28-03 12:35 PM Response to Reply #34 |
42. I think you picked an atrocious example but generally agree |
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Terwilliger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-28-03 01:46 PM Response to Reply #42 |
50. way to change the subject, slack |
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Terwilliger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-28-03 01:45 PM Response to Reply #29 |
49. thats all well and good in your capitalist system |
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jos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-28-03 11:08 AM Response to Original message |
18. Agree |
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Cat Atomic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-28-03 11:15 AM Response to Original message |
24. It's a response to the religious element in the Republican Party. |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-28-03 11:38 AM Response to Reply #24 |
35. I think Republican wedge issues have to vary by geographical region |
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newyawker99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-28-03 12:30 PM Response to Reply #24 |
38. Hi Cat Atomic!! |
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ProfessorGAC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-28-03 11:17 AM Response to Original message |
28. Your Penultimate Paragraph is The Problem |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-28-03 11:42 AM Response to Reply #28 |
36. OK. Except you never hear a politician or a voter describe |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-28-03 02:05 PM Response to Reply #28 |
51. I consider myself an economic moderate and fiscal conservative. |
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Liberator_Rev (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-28-03 11:30 AM Response to Original message |
33. We believe in "Tax and SERVE" Liberalism |
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TreasonousBastard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-28-03 12:31 PM Response to Original message |
39. You should be suspicious. |
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JohnKleeb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-28-03 01:28 PM Response to Original message |
47. its not just DK supporters who know this |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-28-03 01:32 PM Response to Original message |
48. Todays anniversary of March on Washington offers good example of my point |
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mandyky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-28-03 02:08 PM Response to Original message |
52. Nice try |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-28-03 09:55 PM Response to Reply #52 |
56. Actually, it's motivated by Arnold and California politics, |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-28-03 02:25 PM Response to Original message |
53. Thomas Frank's "One Market Under God" |
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DemBones DemBones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-28-03 03:01 PM Response to Original message |
54. It's amazing to me that so many people buy into candidates who |
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JohnKleeb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-28-03 03:12 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. yep |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-28-03 11:57 PM Response to Reply #54 |
65. spoken as one |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-29-03 12:05 AM Response to Reply #65 |
68. Abraham Lincoln gave lots of people legal rights. Didn't matter til FDR |
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hedda_foil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-28-03 10:33 PM Response to Original message |
57. Coming from our prime proponent of Blairism and "Blair Dems" |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-28-03 11:52 PM Response to Reply #57 |
63. "knickers in a twist" do you mean. You know, Hugo Chavez's |
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RowWellandLive (531 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-28-03 11:29 PM Response to Original message |
59. I disagree with your premise |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-28-03 11:55 PM Response to Reply #59 |
64. You haven't been paying attention if you think most Republicans |
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RowWellandLive (531 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-29-03 01:16 AM Response to Reply #64 |
70. I've looked at it all |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-29-03 10:34 AM Response to Reply #70 |
71. How in the world is any of the things I've listed |
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SharonAnn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-28-03 11:47 PM Response to Original message |
62. Bush is 100% thief. |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-29-03 10:38 AM Response to Original message |
72. I'm with you on this. |
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