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salinen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 11:07 AM
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Parents should slaughter their children
Set radio to scan and it stopped on a born again station. The preacher was saying that in biblical times, if a child disobeyed their parents, those children would never see tomorrow (all said in that fake hollow cathedral sound). He went on to imply that this practice needed to be brought into the 21st century.

I forget. When did Christianity become the most vile institution known to man?
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 11:10 AM
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1. But, if we abort them we can prevent them from causing trouble
Edited on Wed Sep-29-04 11:10 AM by GreenPartyVoter
in the first place!

(WHERE do all these zealous fruit loops come from, anyhoo?)

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Would Jesus love a liberal? You bet!
http://www.geocities.com/greenpartyvoter/liberalchristians.htm
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 11:11 AM
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3. but if we abort them, then we can't beat them...
these people are sick!
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Tyler Durden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 11:11 AM
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2. The Crusades, then the Inquisition come to mind.
I wonder when these "preachers" decided to skip over the New Testament and run straight to Leviticus?

Here's a verse for that fuck: "Jesus wept."
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demnan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 11:12 AM
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4. If a child was killed for disobeying their parents -
Do you think there'd be anybody here?
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 11:13 AM
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5. Seriously, mine would not be simply because I never would have made it
past the age of 2.

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"Critically examine everything. Hold on to the Good." 1 Thessalonians
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http://www.geocities.com/greenpartyvoter/liberalchristians.htm
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salinen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 11:15 AM
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7. "But I don't wanna eat my peas"
NO TOMORROW!
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catmandu57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 11:14 AM
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6. I think it was
immediately after paul staged a takeover, or john ate mushrooms and had a bad trip. Really all you need is the gospels.
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 11:17 AM
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8. "When people curse their parents, it unquestionably is a capital crime"
This is what Gary North, a leading Christian Theonomist, believes:

"The question eventually must be raised: Is it a criminal offense to take the name of the Lord in vain? When people curse their parents, it unquestionably is a capital crime (Ex. 21:17). The son or daughter is under the lawful jurisdiction of the family. The integrity of the family must be maintained by the threat of death. Clearly, cursing God (blasphemy) is a comparable crime, and is therefore a capital crime (Lev. 24:16)."
http://www.serve.com/thibodep/cr/cursing.htm

Think such people could never take power? They already have.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 11:19 AM
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11. Unless, of course, the parents are heathens
in which case North would say "Curse away, brothers and sisters! Tell yur evil non-spirtual parents to get behind thee!"

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"Critically examine everything. Hold on to the Good." 1 Thessalonians
5:21

Would Jesus love a liberal? You bet!
http://www.geocities.com/greenpartyvoter/liberalchristians.htm
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 11:43 AM
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13. Agreed M.B.
Thye have more power than people know-
the corporatists have understood all too well
how deliciously well the dominionist cult can serve their
fascistic agenda.
They have their brown shirts.
BHN
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DeadHead67 Donating Member (529 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 11:18 AM
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9. Dude, that isn't christianity. . . .
. . .Don't listen to the radio/TV bigmouths. For every one of the assholes you heard, there are literally thousands who will vote for Kerry/Edwards,and in our state Barak Obama, and who live by what Jesus taught. Jesus' teachings (the Sermon on the Mount etc.)were largely a total departure from the Old testament, and are what got him crucified. These guys ie. Robertson, Fartwell, are literally todays equivalent of the Pharisees. PLEASE don't judge all of us by an idiot who thinks people should kill their kids for disobedience.
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 11:18 AM
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10. When man decided to make christianity an institution.
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soleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 11:40 AM
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12. Great line from Woody Allen movie
"If Jesus ever came back and saw all that had been done in his name he would never stop vomitting."
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snoogins Donating Member (63 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 11:45 AM
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14. im sure he exaclty meant that
parents should murder disobedient children.
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 12:50 PM
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16. Some of these fundies
Are closet sociopaths I think.Their religion is a tool of the sadism that is inside their heart already.Religion is a "space" to act out abuse with children..in public.

Who does the most of the child abuse in the world? Adults,Parents and caretakers.Who teaches kids abusing others is a way to get power? Adults who learned it from thier ignorant parents.
Children in our culture are too often seen as property of who birthed them and/or pay for thier upkeep.
Kids are a product of parental loins and so it's assumed said kids are owned by said parents.Parents because of this ownsership mentality underlying children are expected to expect a return on thier long term investments,they want Jr.to conform suceeed and please the parent more than Jr to be happy in his own way.Some parents are wising up to thier own selfishness and I give a kudos to them..

Parents will do what they want to thier kids in the home or in private,as long as they can get away with doing it. I have seen kids mistreated and people bystand or run away and refuse to get involved.
When it was a clear cut case an adult really hitting a little girl and abusing her. At a mall parkinglot,I stood up against an out of control parent.First I approached the guy told him to stop it,after that,I tried to restrain him,That didn't work,so I hit the guy to make him stop hitting her,and I yelled to useless bystanders to get off thier asses and call the cops.The cops came,took statements and all.Alot of the useless bystanding people who saw the incident were cowards and fled before the cops arrived because they didn't want to get involved.

I also have seen people call social services over bullshit claims that didn't need state to get involved with too.(this happens to parents with alternative lifestyles,apperance or religions that differ from "mainstream" expectations that have nothing to do with being a bad parent..)

Until more parents (and parents participate in creating the tone of this society more than kids get do)get thier shit together psychologically enough to handle partenting and citizenship without bullying.Until parents get the emotional intellegence to not be beating the kid or neglecting them or some other bullshit,and get the courage to interfere and stand up concerning other parents who are abusive, they don't deserve to have any kids IMHO.

The curse of the Fundie Parents falls upon kids!!!
See which curses you or your parents are guilty of inflicting upon yourselves..

Parents who abuse kids and cover it up because they know what they do is wrong, deserve to be cursed totally.

Parents who neglect kids they bring into this world need to be cursed.

Parents who use thier kids as bargaining chips for revenge against a spouse need to be cursed.

Parents who belittle kids and berate them day after day, because of thier own issues ,that kind of hypocrite emotionally bullying parent needs to be cursed.

Narcissitic parents,need to be cursed.

Parents that have kids because they want a kid to take care of them to love them, who have kids to fufill thier own lost dreams of 'sucess'through the child,because they themselves lost thier chance,need to be cursed.

Parents who bully a sensitive child to make them more "tough" need to be cursed.

Parents who bully child to make them automatically obey authority figures without question need to be cursed.

Parents that teach a kid might makes right and the weak exist to be stomped need to be cursed.

Parents who teach kids racism, hate and homophobia need to be cursed.

Parents who do not reach out emotionally to thier kids need to be cursed.

Parents who do not try to listen to thier kids when they are in distress need to be cursed.

Parents who minimize real abuse in the home to"keep peace" in the family and maintain secrets to keep up apperances,need to be cursed.

Parents that force complex or threatening religions on kids too young to understand metaphors or to ask why need to be cursed for manipulating a vunerable kid's psychology.

Parents that sell or use children for money,power,sex or whatever need to be cursed.

Parents that demand obedience and conformity out of a kid over notions like the families sanity or good relationships and values of honesty cooperation and fairness because they see kids as THIER Property deserve to be cursed.


These are the curses off the top of my head I am sure there are many more. Ask a kid ,they'll think of ones I could not imagine..
Parents don't like what kids demonstrate in thier talk and behaviors that is in thier parents own personalities sometimes.That "bad" behavior reminds parents they also have ugly sides and ugly truths they don't want to be reminded of. Kids can be ethical/behavioral mirrors for parent by default..So if parents avoid looking inside themselves,and avoid admitting they are not perfect thier kids will demonstrate they aren't.The kids embody the shadow imprefections of parents just as they were taught by the parent.
And no kid needs to be beaten or killed for relecting reality unflatteringly.
I curse denial.

Parents who are in denial have control issues,fragile egos and unresolved or denial issues with THIER own parents,childhood and home life..have no right to put it into an innocent kid.

I think "family values" are a curse on humanity.
A exclusive nuclear family stucture can be used to meet fascist ends..Homeschooled kids: some get a better education,some get a better indoctrination.Depends on the Parents doesen't it?

Sometimes being a good parent means not being one.
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skygazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 11:46 AM
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15. pretty much immediately
Since one of the first things done when it came into vogue was to discredit and disperse any other religion there were, stealing the rituals and customs of those religions in order to entice their proponents to join the new club.

Since then, it's been used to control the masses and justify mass slaughter while it continues to teach intolerance toward other beliefs.

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