OK, I love Patti Smith, and if she votes for Nader then that's OK

[trumad]

but if I call her a Bush enabling twit for doing that, then that should be OK too.

[Dookus]

1. Yup

I *just* finished listening to the "argument" after reading everything here. It was tough, because I love Randi, and I adore Patti Smith. But I think the whole thing was overblown.

I think Patti was being overly sensitive and in fact, was ruder to Randi than vice versa. She just spoke more quietly. But Patti tried to make HER point and then shut down the discussion. It doesn't work that way, especially with Randi.

Anyway, it wasn't as big a deal as I expected it to be.

[UpsideDownFlag]

2. people should be allowed to vote for nader without criticism.

however, when they get drafted, or their job gets outsourced, here is what i'll say when they complain....

[tanyev]

3. or if they whine when

an unprecedented number of extremist right-wing federal judges and supremes are sworn in...

refer to the above post.

[jdj]

49. very good point about the judiciary!

when possession of dope becomes grounds for execution they'll have crow as their last meal.

[K-W]

30. No one has the right to do anything without criticism!

That's my motto... and why so few people talk to me.

[jdj]

48. I don't believe so. The man has no platform, no point, and

no passion. Taken as a separate issue from the enablement of Bush, it is definitely deserving of criticism.

[Character Assassin]

4. That's the spirit, boyo. Don't let the fucking idiots influence your mind

She votes for whom she wishes.

Otherwise, if someone doesn't, they's just ho's, ya dig?

Voting for Nader doesn't enable anyone except Nader.

[trumad]

14. Voting for Nader doesn't enable anyone except Nader.

That's about the dumbest thing I've read here in sometime. So if 20,000 vote for Nader in Ohio and Kerry looses the state by say a thousand, who benefits, Nader?

[Character Assassin]

15. No, but sorry, whining Kerry voters probably would get some crybaby miles

Tell me, if I vote for Nader, and Kerry expects my vote, but doesn't get it, can the gnashing of hypocritical teeth be heard farther than, say, the DEW Line?

[trumad]

20. No...but if 100,000 more of you morans did, then perhaps!

and besides, nobody really gives a shit what you do.

[Character Assassin]

23. Whaaaaaaaaa!!!!! I'll never vote for Nader, so I don't know

But then, I'll never vote for anyone from a major party, so at least I can slepp with a clear conscious.

Believe me, when it comes to not giving a shit, I'll trust you. Seems pretty clear to me where it's got you.

[trumad]

28. Of course you won't vote for anyone from a major party

You're nothing but hot air. Shallow, empty, hot air.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

29. You're being way too kind to CA, that's for sure.

[Character Assassin]

41. Yawn. Same old, same old.

I vote my conscious and my principles.

You vote convenience and power. But then, that's your America.

Never the 'twain shall meet, and I'm glad of it.

Remember, when one side of your head gets soft from beating it against the wall, just turn it slightly so the other side get's its turn.

[jdj]

51. If it werent' for bad attention, I'd get no attention at all...

[LoZoccolo]

16. Voting for Nader does not enable Nader.

If you don't win, you don't win, and are therefore not enabled to do anything by the election.

[Character Assassin]

18. Give the man a cigar!

Kee-reckt

[LoZoccolo]

19. So you're saying voting for Nader enables nobody.

Then why do it?

[Name removed]

21. Deleted message

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[Character Assassin]

26. That's rich, coming from someone who's never stood up to the challenge

I don't disrupt, or I'd have been out of here long ago.

But you know that, and still try to hide behind rhetorical BS.

The more things change....

[trumad]

31. NO..you disrupt

You're not voting for Kerry, you come in a forum of folks who fight for Kerry everyday.... And you disrupt.

[Character Assassin]

37. Oh, I'm sorry. Every single poster/member here is voting for Kerry?

Oh, that's right, they're not.

I'm all for Dem's getting out the vote and making the best of it, but in every instance that I can recall that you've attempted discourse with me, you've tried to paint this site as something other than what it is.

Might Kerry win? Sure. More power to him. I'll likely support him if he does win.

But that won't in the least make me over look the maniacal anti-nader voices around here who are the modern day equivalents of dogs in the manger. Or how they cry in their beer about how he 'steals' votes.

[LoZoccolo]

40. Uh, we do have an /opinion/ about Nader.

I'm tired of people saying or implying it's undemocratic to have the kind of opinion I do about Nader. I am practicing my democracy by having and stating an opinion.

[Character Assassin]

43. No one said it was undemocratic for you to have an opinion

And, equally, no one said it wouldn't be criticized.

[hiphopnation]

45. ....

But that won't in the least make me over look the maniacal anti-nader voices around here who are the modern day equivalents of dogs in the manger.

This is equally as defeatist as those very anti-nader voices who do, at times, over-do it. {enter lefty circular firing squad...}

[hiphopnation]

46. delete

[Name removed]

32. Deleted message

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[trumad]

34. A duel at Dawn?

:shrug:

[Forkboy]

36. I think long time DUers who know the rules

and still break them are disrupting things.

[Character Assassin]

38. Old conversations that T and myself have engaged in

It's water under the bridge to anyone other than he/she and I.

[LoZoccolo]

39. Trumad did too take the Pepsi Challenge.

You're just mad that he still picked Coke.

[Character Assassin]

27. I don't know. I never have voted for him, and I never will.

You'll have to ask a Nader voter.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

25. And that vote for Nader becomes one less for Kerry....

...ya dig, or did I go too fast for you?

[DrWeird]

5. Patti Smith is pure evil.

I don't know if what they say about her helping Eric Rudolph is true, but I believe it and its up to her to prove otherwise.

She doesn't have any rights so she should just shut up.

[Cheswick2.0]

6. she obviously went on the show to promote Nader

She was the one who brought him up, right?

She just got written off as another clueless follower in my opinion.

[Forkboy]

8. What a shock!

[Cheswick2.0]

9. what a useless waste of bandwidth

you couldn't even be bothered to have an opinion

[Forkboy]

10. Dont quit your day job

comebacks aren't gonna make you any money.

[lectrobyte]

7. I think we need more than 2 choices, but I am horrified at the

thought of 4 more years of *. And that's OK, too.

[mountainvue]

11. You said it! n/t

[RandomKoolzip]

12. Okay...Patti Smith..the singer?!

What's this all about? Did I miss something? If you can, somebody please link me.


Oh no...I see Character Assassin is still here. I guess I can expect my query to be repeated back to me in italics now, with a "You. Are An. Idiot." added, and a strongly, arrogantly worded suggestion to "do my own research, dumbass."

[blueblitzkrieg]

17. Randi Rhodes and Patti Smith got into it over Ralph Nader.

Patti is a good friend and supporter of Ralph, and Randi was talking about how she thinks Nader only cares about Nader, that he should work to form a party instead of just showing up every 4 years to run, ect. and Patti took it personally and shut down and refused to answer questions. Then they started sniping at eachother a bit. It was uncomfortable to listen to.

You can download the show here: http://www.whiterosesociety.org/ It's the Wednesday, Sept. 29th show and the bit with Patti is around the last 20 minutes of the show.

[blueblitzkrieg]

13. She came across as really flakey.

I don't know much about Patti or her music, but she didn't come off well. I thought Randi was just fine and Patti whining about Randi being "provacative" was kinda lame.

[LoZoccolo]

22. Come on now, try and understand...

The way I feel under Bush* command!
Nader lost, though he was my man,
He can't help us now, can't help us now, can't help us nooooooooow!

Because the world, belongs to BushCo
Because the world, belongs to them!
Because the world, belongs to BushCo
Because the world, belongs to them!

[blondeatlast]

24. Patti was my voice at 16-17-18, but the heroin has done its damage.

It was painful to hear this; and the first week Arizona had progressive radio, too.

Ah, well. I only heard the first 15 minutes of the Franken Factor this morning, and he was brilliant.

[Vickers]

33. Fuck anybody who votes for Nader

Not because I don't think you should vote for whoever you want...

Not because I think a two-party system is just great...

Not because I dislike the guy...

No, it's because he took money from the Republicans, and so I consider him a Republican and if you vote for him then you are a fucking Republican and you are part of the fucking problem, FUCKWAD.

Hope this helps.

[ronnykmarshall]

35. Now don't be so hard on her!

I LOVED her with Scandal? Remember that cool song "Good Bye To You"?

[hiphopnation]

42. LOL!!

That was before the hard drugs, I guess. Ah, what wasted talent...

[ronnykmarshall]

44. There were so ahead of their time.

Just look at the hair!

[hiphopnation]

47. is that a young Kip Winger on the right?? n/t

[pelagius]

50. Wrong Patti

That's Patti Smythe.

And, yes, that hair is remarkable.

[ronnykmarshall]

55. I know

I was trying to lighten this thread up a bit.

Ahhhh 80's hair. It defied the laws of gravity.

[pelagius]

56. Must be humor-impaired today ;-)

I'm a bit of a rock 'n' roll pedant. Carry on!

[RetroLounge]

52. "Bush enabling twit "

I think you're being far to easy on her, although the phrase certainly fits her, any asshat who votes for Nadir, and a nameless few on this thread whom we know to be disruptors.

RL

[hiphopnation]

53. I spy a farker. n/t

[Forkboy]

54. Ironically

One (not you) accusing others of being a disruptor probably holds the DU record for most threads locked.Huh,go figure :shrug: