The Enemy Within...

[Solon]

Right now I'm watching Michelle Malkin on C-SPAN 2, a taping from September 8 about her book "The Defense of Internment". The thing I find disturbing is her disdain for civil liberties for everybody, but also her support for racial/religious profiling particularly against Muslims and Arabs. Her assertion is that if we had racial profiling at the borders and internally that 9/11 would have been prevented. The problem I have with this assertion is that it doesn't address our biggest national security hole, domestic Christian terrorists.

How soon have we forgotten the second worst terrorist attack on US soil, Oklahoma City? Just last year, 2 Christian Terrorists were caught by sheer luck in possession of an Chlorine/Arsenic bomb that could have killed, not thousands, but tens of thousands of people. This includes several thousand bombs of Arsenic and Chlorine, hundreds of pounds of explosives, automatic weapons, etc. etc. Not to mention all the terrorist bombings and assassinations that have occured in the '90s and will occur in the future. Yet these barely make page B12 much less front page as they should. This also bears in mind the media's treatment of these people, I call them terrorist, yet have never heard, outside of McVeigh, any reference to these people as being Christian (christanic?) Terrorists.

This to me is a big hole, because, guess what, most people won't look with suspicion at the White Guy taking photographs of a nuclear power plant, but if you look even slightly tanned, LOOK OUT, your going to get your ass arrested. Think about what would have happened if those two Terrorist above set off their bomb in a stadium, or another mass gathering, what would have happened then, will we ever hear calls from the likes of Michelle Malkin talking about rounding up all White Christian People, I don't think so.

The problem this MM makes is that, all the suggestions she makes wouldn't really work as well as she thinks. What better way to breed terrorists than to treat good citizens as criminals? With no definable enemy, this war on terror could drag on for lifetimes, and also could change focus as well. What if, as an example, Northern Ireland erupts again? What if it spilled onto our soil, lets say some British Embassies are bombed by Irish nationalists here? Will I be profiled because my name, first and last, are Irish? I don't think so. I'll be damned if anyone tried that shit on me, or on anyone else regardless of their nationality or religion.

The other problem is this, there were already tools and enforcement capability available BEFORE 9/11 and BEFORE the Patriot Act. The problem was that the warnings were ignored. She seems to think that we were hindered by the "Liberal" Media and ACLU. This is erronious, as she herself has stated, most of the terrorist in the planes on 9/11 were here illegally. The problem is that the INS is perpetually underfunded and can't be on the ball, they dropped it. Before 9/11, the INS had the power to expel ANYONE whether from Britian or Saudi Arabia that they thought was a threat, even if here legally. This excludes asylum seekers, and even then they have to go to court to prove immenent threat of harm from their home country.

Could we do more, yes of course, but not at the expense of our civil liberties.

[getoffmytrain]

1. It's pretty clear that.

with the OK bombing, there was a strong ME connection. Not to say you don't have a point... but just saying.

[bicentennial_baby]

2. ME as in Middle Eastern?

Please explain...I've got to hear this.

[getoffmytrain]

6. Here are some links.

http://www.jaynadavis.com/

http://www.apfn.org/OKC/middle_eastern.htm

http://www.apfn.org/thewinds/archive/war/a121296c.html

Here's a few quick links. There is plenty of info out there for anyone that would want to learn more about it. My only point is, the OK bombing story has a lot of holes in it and the concept of a Middle Eastern connection is plausible based on evidence.

[Solon]

10. I'm sorry, I can't take the apfn.org site seriously...

they claim OJ was never indicted, PLEEAASE!!!

Plus both sites are conservative and get facts wrong....(as stated above) Plus they rely a little too much on rhetoric, a little loose with the facts.

[bicentennial_baby]

11. Erm...A World Net Daily sponsored book and

a website run by members of the Patriot movement?? Uh, how about some credible sources? I'll be waiting...

[getoffmytrain]

12. oh...

and I guess LIHOP and MIHOP aren't at all worth looking into because it's not on the front page of the NY Times?

And for the record (in this thread there are allusions that McVeigh was some sort of Xtian terrorist), McVeigh while often times seen closely associated with Xtian identity type whackos, was a self-proclaimed atheist at various times in his adult life. To say that McVeigh was fighting for some sort of Christian cause doesn't appear to be totally true...

[Solon]

3. WHY would it need that connection?

It was a FERTILIZER BOMB for crying out loud. The Turner Diaries were in his damned car, he had a clean record, plus he was an nationalist, you think he would deal with those "Damned Ayrubs"? What could they have brought to the table that would have helped him in his act of terrorism, moral support?

[getoffmytrain]

4. And

Lee Harvery Oswald was a patsy and Jack Ruby was just a patriot.

[Solon]

5. OK, besides this useless sidetrack...

do you have anything concrete in evidence, besides the knee jerk reaction of the press that only AAARRRAAAABBBBSSS were capable of it within the first few days it happened.

[getoffmytrain]

7. When did

I ever say only Arabs are capable of terrorism?

Reread my first post where I said you have a point before you get your panties in a wad.

[Solon]

8. Oh damn, forgot to add the link...

to the 2 people arrested last year. Here's the link:

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/Southwest/01/30/cyanide.probe.ap/

[getoffmytrain]

9. what assholes...