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oldcoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 11:20 AM
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Bizarre Game Targets Women
The following article describes a bizarre new form of “adult entertainment” where men come to Las Vegas for the opportunity to hunt and shoot naked women with paint ball guns.
Warning: there is 99.9999% chance you will find this "game" extremely offensive.

http://www.klastv.com/Global/story.asp?S=1356380&nav=168XGqk0
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 12:06 PM
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1. No eye protection?
Edited on Fri Jul-11-03 12:10 PM by slackmaster
That's pretty sick. The targets should at least wear safety goggles.

I don't really have a problem with consenting adults engaging in pretty much any activity as long as nobody is permanently harmed, or with people getting paid to be victims and get shot with paintballs.

This game is terrible because a woman could lose an eye.
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oldcoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 12:33 PM
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20. I do not think that the "person" behind this game
really cares about the safety of the women. He claims that he tells the "hunters" not to shoot the women above the chest but admits that the "hunters" do not always follow the rules. This indicates that he either does not care about the women or that he has no control over his customers.

In Las Vegas, business owners can be held accountable for what happens on their property. For example, the police have closed down bars because the bar owners did not do enough to prevent illegal behavior on their property. I wonder if there is a way to make this jerk's life more difficult through licensing or zoning.
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MisterP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 12:07 PM
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2. will the situations be reversed?
naked, unprotected men being shot with paintballs?
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 12:09 PM
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3. The targets would insist on a jelly mold
n/t
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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 12:09 PM
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4. We live in weird times... I betcha they're a bunch of Repukes.
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stopthegop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 12:32 PM
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19. why do you think they're repukes?
Larry Flynt works against the GOP, and his stuff is as demeaning as it comes without actual snuff films...
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Orangepeel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 01:26 PM
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38. They are -- or at least the company owners are
I should be ashamed to admit this, but I went to the website mentioned in the story. There is a list of women they think ought to be hunted -- Oprah Winfrey, Jane Fonda, Rosie O'Donnel, etc.

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stopthegop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 01:54 PM
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45. thank you n/t
.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 04:09 PM
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53. Untrue...
interesting to see that old myths never die
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PunkinPi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 05:29 PM
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104. what dem could (or would) pay "anywhere from $5000 to $10,000 per "hunt""?
The only people who could afford that are the ones that rec'd a tax break and this is what they do with their money.
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Drifter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 12:23 PM
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11. Oooooowwwwwwwww
paint BALLS.

Cheers
Drifter
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WhoCountsTheVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 01:13 PM
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33. Don't worry, rich gay men will be doing it to poor young boys soon...
bet on it.
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lazarus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 01:40 PM
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43. If enough people
demand it, the market will provide it.
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Blue_Chill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 12:09 PM
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5. Some people are simply too odd for me to understand
Edited on Fri Jul-11-03 12:11 PM by Blue_Chill
Why would you want to fire paintballs at naked women?

I'm not sure my instincts wouldn't kick in causing me to jump on the first guy that shot one.
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PretzelWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 12:11 PM
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6. Bizarre is not the word for it. SUBHUMAN misogynistic torture.
what a sick bunch of folks inhabit our society.
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Ekaterina Donating Member (213 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 01:20 PM
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34. Amen
whether they have protection and whether some women for whatever reason decide to participate seems to be beside the point....it's not enough that we sit 8 year olds in front of TV sets armed with violent video games to occupy their time and mold their sense of the world....now we send their dads out with "real" weapons to hunt naked women as if we were just another species of game animal.
How much longer til life imitates art and we find folks recruiting for "vacations" along the lines of the Ice T / Gary Busey movie "Surviving the Game"....
Personally I think we have ENOUGH sports without adding this obscentiry to the list of appropriate pasttimes.
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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 12:17 PM
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7. what kind of woman would participate in something like this?
Who could crave attention that much?
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Blue_Chill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 12:18 PM
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8. Not attention its the cash they crave.
Edited on Fri Jul-11-03 12:19 PM by Blue_Chill
1000 if you get hit.
2500 if you don't.

I feel bad for anyone that has to stoop to this level for money. Society as a whole suffers when this kind of activity that promotes violence against women is permitted, accepted, and enjoyed.
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 12:33 PM
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21. I don't know who I'm more disgusted at...
The men who actually want to pay money to hunt down women as if they were rabbid animals or the women who are willing to feed into this sick, psychotic fantasy for a quick buck. I don't know what I would do if my daughter did something like this.
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baffie Donating Member (362 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 01:39 PM
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42. Many women could use a "quick buck" to survive
The way things are now, and have been since distant memory for me, a lot of women are making so little that the "quick buck" might be grocery money, or might keep them from homelessness.
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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 06:04 PM
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68. I'm sorry
I just don't buy that. They looked all too happy to talk about what they were doing.

I'd load UPS trucks before I did that.

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baffie Donating Member (362 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 12:35 PM
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22. Having been so long in the "Pink Ghetto"
I can see where some women would be desperate enough for money to do that. I'm sure we all would like to think we would choose dignity over money, but sometimes the stress of lack of money is overwhelming - and sometimes it's down to a question of survival.
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maynard Donating Member (514 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 01:36 PM
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41. TV coverage of paintball
I was unlucky enough to see the report last night on TV since I live in Las Vegas. The one gal that was hit, showed her injury. It looked like it broke her skin. After she was hit, I believe she just had to lay there while the shooter went over and "stroked his prize". Of course, items being stroked were blocked. The guy doing the shooting looked so perverted. People doing the shooting get a video tape of their "hunting experience". The women knew what they were getting into. They were interviewed and a few had been there many times before. They were all looked like that life had not been good to them and this was quick cash for rent and bills.

It was sick. I'm sure we will see more today on the news.
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Heddi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 04:31 PM
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57. not only that, but after the paintball
you get to fuck them. Check out their website (huntingforbambi.com)-----

this is their 'booking' policy:

Hunt
If you would like to fly out to wonderful fun filled Las Vegas, Nevada for the hunt of a lifetime now is your chance. You can actually hunt one of our Bambi sluts and shoot her with paintballs while we film the whole thing and tape it for your own home video. We will send you a complete list of wall hangers to choose from once your reservation is confirmed for your hunt. With over 30 women ready to be chased down and shot like dogs we guarantee a wide variety of Bambi’s to choose from. Whether it is a fat ass cow or a perfect 10 we have an abundance of these beauties. So if you are the ultimate sportsman and are seeking the ultimate adrenaline rush then come out to our ranch and shoot one of these nagging whinny bitches where it hurts and shut her the fuck up. Then mount her like a "Real Man".

Private hunt includes:
· Round Trip Airfare for hunter
· Lodging for hunter (3 Days 4 Nights)
· Meals for hunter
· The Hunt
· Video of the Hunt
· Mount (not for virgins, you figure it out)

Price: $10,000.00 U.S.
Deposit: $2,500.00 U.S. ** NON- REFUNDABLE**
Name Product Description Price
Deposit Book A Hunt Deposit $2500.00
Balance Due Upon Arrival $7500.00




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ibegurpard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 05:16 PM
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63. Heddi, is that for real?!!!
Un-fuckingbelievably disgusting!!!

:puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:
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Heddi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 05:27 PM
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66. unfortunately, yes, it is real. Go to the website
and click on 'book a hunt' or whatever---that is what they have on their bookings page.

this CANNOT be legal
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Ripley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 12:20 PM
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9. The men are told to shoot above the chest????
Uh, doesn't that mean: AIM AT THE HEAD.

This is really unbelievable. And just because the women say "oh, it's great money" doesn't make it right. It's also great money to sell your children to pedophiles and some poor Mexicans do that too.

Vegas will be attacked, no doubt now.
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Dead_Parrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 12:26 PM
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13. I thought it was...
...NOT to aim above the chest, but either way the aim on those things is so lousy it doesn't make much difference.

Friends, you live in a very weird country.
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Ripley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 12:31 PM
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17. Aye, you are correct.
snip:

Burdick says hunters are told not shoot the women above the chest, but admits not all hunters follow the rules.

So it's still okay to shoot the head because not all hunters follow the rules (and obviously there is no penalty). And frankly I think you could do some pretty serious damage to a woman's spinal cord, or ovaries for that matter if hit directly there by a 200mph paintball.

No, this country is past weird...it is FUCKED UP.
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 12:23 PM
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10. Normally I'm inclined to defend paintball games...
Edited on Fri Jul-11-03 12:23 PM by JHB
...as well as "bawdy" ones, but they just don't go together.
:wow:
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 12:27 PM
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14. Have you seen the paintball gun duels?
I recently saw a video of some college students doing duels with paintballs (and full protective gear) to blow off steam. It looked pretty reasonable.
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It was not a pretzel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 12:24 PM
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12. i went paintballing in May.
The whole group had to wear protective gear and masks covering the whole face.

If you get hit in the eye and are blinded you are LUCKY!! The chances are you will die or need the a couple of inches of your brain removed.

I saw a docu a few weeks back about the Royal Marines completing their raining and the celebrations with their families afterwards.....they had 5 year old kids firing paintball weapons without any kind of protective gear too.

'kin freaks
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WhoCountsTheVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 01:10 PM
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30. If any women are injured the shooter should go to jail, period
That would be purposeful injury! And the business owners should be jailed for intentionally putting these women in harm's way.

The whole idea is sick, but not using protective gear makes this criminal.

Did you read what the guy said? He said that the women can't wear helmets because it wouldn't be realistic enough like hunting deer.

HELLO? What the hell planet are these people from?
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Brian Sweat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 12:28 PM
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15. It won't last long
The first woman to get hit in the eye will own the company.
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WhoCountsTheVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 12:29 PM
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16. Rich people using working class people as entertainment
It's an old story. These rich guys are paying $5,000 to $10,000 to do this, and the women are getting paid $1000-$2500 dollars.

Because of the sexual component, it's offensive. I imagine we'd all be offended if black men were being shot at by white men.

In any case, this is rich people using regular folks for their own deviant entertainment. Absolutely disgusting. I wouldn't want these people in my neighborhood, that's for sure.
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TXlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 01:06 PM
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29. Bingo.
There's that, and the misogynistic element. I think this could easily desensitise somebody regarding violence towards women.

It's sick.
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theemu Donating Member (531 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 12:31 PM
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18. Completely abhorrent
But really, I'm not surprised. What, with the dawn of 'reality porn' on the internet (controversial sites such as Bang Bus and MILF Hunter), I'm not surprised that literal HUNTING of women is the next step, especially in the ultra-sexualized form it's taken here.

It's an increasingly sick world we're living in. Damn it all.
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WhoCountsTheVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 01:01 PM
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28. 14, 15, 16 year old boys are watching that kind of filth
What the hell do you think that garbage does to a boy's sexual development? These kids are going to be monsters when they grow up and gain social power. Degradation of women is being promoted as sexual, and boys are being taught to treat women that they are sexually attracted to as prostitutes.

If I were a women, I'd be getting real scared right now. I'd also get myself a pistol and learn how to use it.
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Generic Other Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 12:44 PM
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23. How much does she get if she grabs him and beats the crap out of him?
Or do they just give her a starring role in a all-girl Prison Flick?
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stopthegop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 12:57 PM
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27. why would she?
she's there voluntarily...maybe some of the women are twisted enough to enjoy it
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Generic Other Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 01:32 PM
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40. It reminds me of the pilot for the old tv series "Fantasy Island"
In the original pilot (way toned down for the eventual series) actor Hugh O'Brien played a bored millionaire who came to Fantasy Island to hunt humans. He used a real gun.

Ricardo Montalban was the gracious host then as he would be later when all the "Love Boat" rejects started arriving on the island.

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primavera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 12:50 PM
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24. What sick fuck would dream up this nightmare?
I've heard of some twisted behaviors before, but this pretty much trumps them all. I tremble to think what the malformed, diseased brain must be like that would come up with a sport like this. :scared:
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Ignoramus Donating Member (610 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 12:55 PM
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25. Penis envy for joe bob
Look at the size of those uh paint guns.
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sierrak9s Donating Member (60 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 12:55 PM
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26. shrug
Let's see, adult women choosing to earn a couple thousand dollars a day, coming back 4 times, 7 times because the money's so good...
Nope. Not the least bit offended.
What's offensive about this?
Public nudity? I've never been offended by skin.
Shooting paintballs? I've shot more than a few myself, and been hit by several. Nothing offensive there.
To be perfectly frank, I'm more likely to be offended by an implication that these adult women are somehow being "exploited," meaning that they are incapable of choosing for themselves how best to spend their time and earn money, and that only the men involved are freely choosing this activity.
Would you find it offensive if it were women shooting paintballs at naked men?
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TXlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 01:10 PM
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31. Yes.
Would you find it offensive if it were women shooting paintballs at naked men?

If the roles were truly reversed, and women were paying $5,000-$10,000 to shoot at naked men who were being paid $1,000 - $2,500 to participate.

It's exploitative.

In reality, the reverse situation would prolly be men paying to have the women shoot at them because they got a sexual kick out of being 'hunted' by the women.
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Mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 01:22 PM
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35. The thing I see is that newer recreational choices are de-evolution
Edited on Fri Jul-11-03 01:23 PM by Mountainman
Instead of say, playing a coed softball game these guys are shooting women. I find that de-evolution.

I watch the promos of the up coming TV shows and they are all about doing something to someone and not caring one dam bit about them.

The amount of hate in our society is growing with all the political battles. People are OK with preemptive attacks on weaker nations.

We are becoming numb and in sensitive to suffering and pain. I can see a time where there are only the haves and have nots in this country and all the have nots will be killing each other to get material things because there will be no way they can increase their incomes. This type of game is preparing us for those times.

I could go on and on but I think you get the message.

If you think this is OK then I think you are someone who has been de-evolutionized by what I have talked about
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WhoCountsTheVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 01:24 PM
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37. It's the difference in power and money
Surely you can understand this.

Actually, there are plenty of people, like Libertarians, that think this is all part of the natural "free market".

If these women could make the same kind of money in a different job, do you think they would be doing this? Every single woman I know wouldn't.

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sierrak9s Donating Member (60 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 01:29 PM
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39. Pro'ly not, but...
There aren't too many jobs out there that pay $1,000-2,500 per day. Not for men OR women. That's some serious cash.
By way of comparison, I've been a lawyer for more than ten years. I've never in my life made that kind of money. A thousand bucks a day?
Wonder how that works out per hour?
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ButterflyBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 04:41 PM
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59. I have no problems with nudity or paintballing
but the two don't mix. It is very dangerous.

I don't think any guy who would want to do this is neccesarily a misogynist, since it just combines two things many guys like: hunting and naked women. but i imagine most of the people doing this probably are because of some misogynistic fantasy because of the high cost. Whatever the case I would oppose it simply because of the safety issues.
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stanwyck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 04:47 PM
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60. If you aren't offended by this
I certainly hope you don't have daughters.
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sierrak9s Donating Member (60 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-03 03:27 PM
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77. And if you are...
I return the hope back at you.
I assume from your comment that you are offended by the actions of the men involved. Your offense at the men demonstrates that you do not consider the women involved to be full adults, capable of deciding for themselves.
These women choose this activity. And let's not have any red herrings about "economic coercion;" these women are paid handsomely. Forget comparing this money to waitressing, or grocery-store clerking -- these women make literally hundreds of dollars an hour, more than most professionals. They don't turn to this work because they're starving, and a quick look at the video ought to put that concern immediately to rest.
I do not have daughters. But I am one. And as I said before, the only thing that offends me is the presumption that women must be protected from their own choices, that in a freely-chosen arms-length economic transaction in which they are lavishly compensated, they are nevertheless being "exploited" if somehow they end up doing something that pleases a man.
Gaaaaah. Women are not weak. We are not children. We are ADULTS.
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oldcoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 04:20 AM
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80. How do you feel about "Bum Fights?"
As you probably have heard, there is a controversy over the "Bum Fight" videos. At least one court wants to prosecute the producers responsible for making these videos. Should these men be prosecuted or should they be acquitted? After all the homeless men and women who starred in these videos are adults.
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Catt03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 09:37 AM
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94. Well.....
I think this "game" is disgusting and sick. However, on one point I do agree with you; women will continue to be treated as morons as long as they are willing to accept the behavior.

There are degrees of allowing one to be treated as such. When this behavior is allowed to one woman, all women suffer.
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oldcoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 05:22 PM
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64. Yes!!!
I would find this game offensive if women were "hunting" naked men. I am offended by this "game" for two reasons: 1) it dehumanizes the women and 2) the lack of concern for the women's safety. The "hunters" are encouraged to view the women as deer instead of people. After the hunt is over, the "hunter" poses with his "prey" like a real hunter might pose with the deer he just killed for a photograph. In the original interview, one of the hunters was holding a woman's arms and describing what a "nice rack" she had while she pretended to be dead. The hunter then gets trophy (a videotape of the hunt) to take home to show his friends.


I also found Michael Burdick's indifference to his employees' safety shocking. Burdick claims the he tells the hunters to only shoot women below the chest but admits that some of the hunters break the rules. Despite this admission, he still won't let his "girls" wear any sort of protective gear. If he does not want them to wear protective gear, he should make every effort to control his hunters. For example, he could immediately throw any "hunter" out who does not follow his rules and ban that person from participating in future "hunts. I feel very strongly that every business, whether it be a restaurant, convenience store, or and adult business, should make an effort to ensure workplace safety.
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philosophie_en_rose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 11:06 AM
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101. Sorry, you can't hide abuse behind feminism.
This issue has nothing to do with whether or not women are strong enough to endure this exploitative assault. This has nothing to do with whether prostitution is a personal choice (and I ask you what women with other options would honestly choose to be treated worse than a hunted animal).

1) Fair labor practices - these women are entitled to safe working conditions. Being hit with a paintball hurts, especially on bare skin. Are these putrid sacks of shit who want to pay to rape a woman tested for diseases? Do they have medical treatment?

2) Why is it so easy to sympathize with workers at Walmart or Enron who are economically abused and so easy for some to believe that women choose to be abused? Even if someone "chooses" to be a prostitute, pimping should be illegal.

3) What kind of empowerment comes from this situation? Isn't the idea that the women are animals that are hunted and raped? Isn't the idea that the women will just lay there and do nothing? How in the world will she be able to assert her rights?

4) This is far beyond naked pictures in Hustler or even porn. As degrading as they are, this literally forces a woman to submit to anything.

5) What would happen if she changes her mind? No matter how "up front" they are about what happens, the women can't understand how bad it is until they do it. Will they be able to back out?

6) How much does it cost to sell your rights away? Is it okay kill you, if someone pays you a dollar?
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AlienGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 01:12 PM
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32. This is absolutely unsurprising
Not long ago there was a strip club making phat cash by having a "Rambo wet-panty night" where men could shoot Super Soakers at women with panties on. It was all OK until the men started loading their guns with liquor, which stings when it hits sensitive parts.

I remember thinking that the appeal would be even greater if the guns shot some kind of paint, so the men could see that they were having an effect on the women.

Since the male sexual pathways in the brain tend to bleed over with the aggression pathways, drawing a little blood along with making their mark is probably ultra-satisfying to some percentage of men for whom the sex/aggression link is especially strong.

It's sad and disheartening--humans really *are* THAT fucked-up--but not at all surprising to me.

Tucker (a student of Tiptree's observations on human behavior)
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primavera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 01:23 PM
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36. Damn, and I thought I was cynical
I find this kind of aberrant behavior extremely distressing and suggestive of a serious malaise on the part of participants. Do you really think this is just typical behavior?
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Sentath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 02:04 AM
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79. I do
and as much as its not my cup of tea I'm almost glad to see it being made into a business propisition. The cooperation of the women is then valuable and the worst excesses will be blunted to preserve that capital.

Or I could turn it around and look at it from the other end and vehemently despise it for giving this kind of sick fantasy any shred of legitimacy.

But, either way I do not see it as being terribly uncommon. I'm something of an internet text porn hound and such themes are not the most rare by any means.

*bleh*

{rlg}
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AlienGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 05:38 AM
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82. Not "typical" exactly...
This is simply what happens when the normal social inhibitions against open expression of aggression break down. The males whose sex drive and aggression drive overlap the most *will* express the linkage between drives any time there is no social inhibition. Same thing happens in war.

Absolute power doesn't corrupt; it merely *allows* what is already corrupt to emerge...

Tucker
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Darth_Kitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 08:36 AM
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87. I think it's pathetic......
Just THINK about how screwed up these guys are in real life. UGH.

Let me see, husbands, FATHERS, sons, employers.....how do they treat women in their everyday lives?
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indigo32 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 01:44 PM
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44. Sigh
it's horrifyingly disgusting and yet somehow not at all surprising.
People will do terrible things to eachother. I don't know what else to say, it's VERY SAD, and yet I wouldn't tell consenting adults they can't do what they want.
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WhoCountsTheVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 01:57 PM
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46. $1000 is too much money for these women, we can get the price down!
If the game proved popular at all, with more women competing for the job, the price will go down. We could probably get them to work for $200 if they get shot, and $500 if they don't.

We could get the price down even more if we had a sort of H1B visa for women who want to do this. We could import poor women (temporarily) from third world countries, pay them maybe just $100 a day, and then send them back to their impoverished country when we are done with them.

This would even drive the price down for American women, thus making the market more efficient.

Enterprising companies can add all sorts of additional fun and games. Prostitution is legal in Navada yes? If you get a hit, you get to have sex with the women. Hell, make it a movie and it would just be pornography, not even prostitution. The game for rich gay men will be next.

I think that sexual degradation is a growth industry. Be smart and buy stock in the sex industry today!
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Muddleoftheroad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 02:04 PM
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48. Scary
But I thought of most of what you had in your post, especially the prostitution angle. I can't say the women shouldn't do this, but it's just warped for all involved.
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Aaron Donating Member (489 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 02:59 PM
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50. Check out the website (link)
http://www.huntingforbambi.com/

I thought this seemed really nuts but it didn't turn my stomach until I saw the way they advertise it. It's awful.
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Heddi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 04:29 PM
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56. god--that is awful
some quotes from the site:

http://www.huntingforbambi.com/category/2/
This is our "Liars, Cheaters and Whore Bags" Photo Gallery. Every single "Bitch" got what she deserved!

http://www.huntingforbambi.com/category/4/
Here are just a few "Bimbo's" we shot and mounted. Then we hung them on the wall.....


----
here's what it takes to book a 'hunt'

Hunt
If you would like to fly out to wonderful fun filled Las Vegas, Nevada for the hunt of a lifetime now is your chance. You can actually hunt one of our Bambi sluts and shoot her with paintballs while we film the whole thing and tape it for your own home video. We will send you a complete list of wall hangers to choose from once your reservation is confirmed for your hunt. With over 30 women ready to be chased down and shot like dogs we guarantee a wide variety of Bambi’s to choose from. Whether it is a fat ass cow or a perfect 10 we have an abundance of these beauties. So if you are the ultimate sportsman and are seeking the ultimate adrenaline rush then come out to our ranch and shoot one of these nagging whinny bitches where it hurts and shut her the fuck up. Then mount her like a "Real Man".

Private hunt includes:
· Round Trip Airfare for hunter
· Lodging for hunter (3 Days 4 Nights)
· Meals for hunter
· The Hunt
· Video of the Hunt
· Mount (not for virgins, you figure it out)

Price: $10,000.00 U.S.
Deposit: $2,500.00 U.S. ** NON- REFUNDABLE**
Name Product Description Price
Deposit Book A Hunt Deposit $2500.00
Balance Due Upon Arrival $7500.00


Copyright © 2003. Please read our Returns Policy.

--------------

SO---not only do they shoot them, but they DO fuck them. It's not JUST about being shot for or not shot for $1000 or $2500. It's about being shot or not shot and then FUCKED for $1000 or $2500

There is a special place in hell for pigs that enjoy this shit
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WhoCountsTheVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 04:34 PM
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58. Everyone's a consenting adult
Doesn't make it any better does it? I cannot understand why calling women bitches and degrading names is sexy. What the hell happened to these people?

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Heddi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 05:25 PM
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65. no, it doesn't make it any better
given the right conditions, I agree with legalization of prostitution.

this is not prostitution. this is degridation and humiliation in every sense of the word.

the fact that they will not allow the women to wear any kind of protective gear because it cuts down on the reality, since 'deers don't wear football helmets" just proves that these pigs (they're not even worthy of the title 'man') see not just THESE women--but ALL women as nothing more significant than a fucking deer.

Shit--they even PROMOTE "hunting down the bitches like dogs"---what the FUCK is that?

someone said it above--this is de-evolution. sickening
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 06:11 PM
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70. Some prostitutes engage in equally degrading and violent activities
Edited on Fri Jul-11-03 06:15 PM by slackmaster
I'm sure you can find one who will let you flog her with a cat o' nine tails if you have enough cash. Is that any different than getting paid to be hunted and shot at with a non-lethal weapon?

I'm very disturbed by the lack of protective gear in this "game". A set of safety goggles would bring this activity into the marginally acceptable range for me. As presented it's definitely unacceptable to me.

I don't understand the mentality of any man or woman who would participate, but do not feel qualified to make those decisions for other people.
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Heddi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 07:00 PM
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74. the difference that I see
is that with flogging, there isn't the inherent danger associated with having a paintball hit you in the chest (will stop your heart if hit in the right place), in the ovaries, uterus, kidneys, head, eye, ear, face, neck, knee....hitting ANY Of those spots and you're risking NOT ONLY internal injury to a significant degree, but it can be deadly as well.

That is why ALL legit paintball places REQUIRE protective clothing, masks, goggles--SOMETHING to prevent uncessary injury and/or death.

I'm sure that someone could be whipped to the point of bruising, but i'm not familiar with any inherently dangerous outcomes should one consent to being whipped (perhaps an eye injury).
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Darth_Kitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 10:48 AM
Response to Reply #58
100. Small penises.
There. I said it.


You have guys that are very stupid, very weak, and have NO concept on what real men act like. They are morally bankrupt, angry, and socially inept.

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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 09:12 AM
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91. If that's the case (that they have sex at the end), then it is 100%
ILLEGAL in Las Vegas . . .

Is this located in Clark County? Prostitution is illegal there.
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It was not a pretzel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 01:58 PM
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47. what next?
"Suriving the Game"? The film stars rapper Ice T has Mason, a homeless man who is taken off the streets and hired to help out a group of hunters in the Pacific Northwest. Shortly after the team arrives at a cabin in the woods, Mason finds out that he isn't the hunter, but in fact, he's the one who's being hunted. The hunters give him a head start before giving chase. Soon enough, Mason is using his wits to trap the hunters and even the odds.
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REP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 04:56 AM
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81. "The Most Dangerous Game" Predates "Surviving the Game" by 60+ Years
The 1932 movie is based on the 1924 short story by Richard Connell.
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no_arbusto Donating Member (548 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 02:15 PM
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49. Here's one that tops that.
Edited on Fri Jul-11-03 02:22 PM by no_arbusto
When I was in high school, I had to shadow some guys in an investment firm for 3 days as part of my Entrepreneurship class. I turned 18 during the shadowing so one of the guys felt that he could show me some photos of the company "golf outing". The "outing" was attended by all the men in the company and two strippers. One of the "contests" involved the strippers sitting spread eagle on the green and the guys would put closest.... you get the idea. That was probably one of the most disturbing things I've ever seen, and believe me, I've seen alot!

Oh yeah. I've heard of another one that is REALLY disturbing, retold to me by a Vietnam vet. It involved a hooker, 3 soldiers, and an airplane windshield. I REALLY can't repeat the story, but you may be able to figure it out. Sick, sick stuff!
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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 09:40 AM
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95. I've seen the golf thing on tv news reports
and it was reported as just another story about another recreation possibility for men.

The implications are huge, though. Would a woman be promoted into a position that would require the men asking HER to go on such a golfing trip?

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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 03:49 PM
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51. Ahhh Vegas
what a cesspool.
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 03:53 PM
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52. we live
In a hatefilled, patriarchal, misogynist country. Hatred of women and anything having to do with women is prevalent. Substitute the word Jew, or Black, or Gay, for the word women being hit with paintballs..
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 04:11 PM
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54. Maybe I'm weird, but I like to have sex with naked women...
not shoot them. These guys are pathetic.
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stanwyck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 04:16 PM
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55. You're our kind of weird, then
because we women prefer men who like to have sex with us. Not shoot us. Proves Freud right: Men with big guns don't have to go out and play with guns.
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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 06:21 PM
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72. "These guys are pathetic."
No one who looks at this video can argue with that!
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 06:23 PM
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73. mitch you arent weird
normal as anything as a matter of fact. These guys have the oddest fetish.
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GumboYaYa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 04:50 PM
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61. I can't believe the lengths my gender will go to
in order to embarass me. Stries like that one make you shake your head in shocked disbelief. There are an awful lot of Neanderthals out there.
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WhoCountsTheVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 05:09 PM
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62. thank you for saying that
I couldn't have said it better myself.
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Darth_Kitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 08:39 AM
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88. Well, thanks goodness for men who think this is horrible behaviour...
Edited on Sun Jul-13-03 08:40 AM by Darth_Kitten
and thank goodness there are more decent men out there than screwed up paint shooting f**kups

:)
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maxanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 05:57 PM
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67. the next best thing
to actually hunting, raping, and shooting women. Guys who would do this would do that, too, imo. These are sociopaths who believe themselves to be superior to women.

This is abhorrent - truly abhorrent.
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HellKat Donating Member (28 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 06:10 PM
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69. Dang
These are some crazy ass mofos. Is this legal? Where is Attorney General asscrack still decorating his torture chamber.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 06:13 PM
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71. By default any activity is legal
Unless specifically outlawed. There is no law against this AFAIK.

It's outrageous and irresponsible that anyone would consider hosting or participating in such an event without protective gear on all participants. Read the owner's manual for a paintball gun some time.
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Isome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 07:31 PM
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75. I haven't seen...
a post in which anyone addresses the nexxus between this "game" and psychosexual components in the methods of male serial killers who target women (or gay men). Hunting/stalking, sex, objectification, infliction of pain, dehumanization, humiliation, rage, power, trophies from the event (the video)... those are the things monsters like Ted Bundy and John Wayne Gacy got off on.

It occurs to me that not only the inventors of the game, but the participants may constitute a "watch list" of men who may become or are already serial killers or rapists. Think about it! The marketing is far too perverse for the normal man to find appealing.
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Sterling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 07:55 PM
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76. The police would be wise to add any customer
to a database of potential sex offenders and serial killers.
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Darth_Kitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 08:44 AM
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90. No, it wouldn't be a stretch........
to see a link between these behaviours and potential "REAL" violence. These men see these women as objects, as things, and just what kind of pleasure or satisfaction one could get out of this is beyond me.

"I got the one with the largest rack"?????

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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 09:20 AM
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92. I think the marketing saspect disturbs me the most--
Very twisted.

Even "organized hunting" trips don't refer to the prey the way this does.

If these women want to do somthing I find incredibly degrading, that's their business. I hope they know the risks they are taking. And I hope the first one who gets seriously injured takes oveer the damned company and shuts it down.

I wish there was a Hell.
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iangb Donating Member (444 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 12:59 AM
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78. "They hate us because they.....
....are jealous of our freedom"

Nope, they hate you because they think you're sick and depraved.
.....and they're wrong.......aren't they?

This is the society that the rest of the World should aspire to emulate?
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AllYorBaseRBlong2USA Donating Member (22 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 05:59 AM
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83. At least there is a choice being made
I'm not saying these guys are not sick F#cks, but at least the women are given a choice to do it. There are a lot of places where women don't have a choice. You must remember that in America people are entitled to live whatever freaky lifestyles they want. These women are adreniline junkies in all liklyhood. People are entitled to learn from thier mistakes, and they would resent any moral code forced on them.
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iangb Donating Member (444 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 07:04 AM
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84. ".....they would resent any moral code forced on them"????
Like I said.

Analyse your statement.....

I say it proves my point. That sort of sounds like Rumsfelds justification for the murder/looting and mayhem in Baghdad: "They are free to make mistakes"...leaving unsaid that those 'freedoms' are a destructive force.


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Fatima Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 10:45 AM
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99. Thank you
I am tired explaining this to people. It's not our "freedoms" they hate, it's our decadent culture and our power to crush and manipulate other peoples, especially poor and developing nations.

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Jonte_1979 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 08:01 AM
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85. Disgusting
This has got to be the most depraved, misogynistic and decadent thing I have ever heard of! I hope that every Nevadan with even an ounce of decency in their bodies do everything in their power to stop this and to put the scum responsible for this sickening activity behind bars!
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Darth_Kitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 08:13 AM
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86. What intelligent, secure, well-rounded men.
Who have NO "issues" with women and violence no matter what those snooty, uptight feminists say!!!!!! :eyes:

They have thousands of extra dollars to just throw away on disgusting garbage like this? Are rich men just more immoral? I thought it was all those poor people and single mothers who were destroying the moral fabric of our holier-than-thou society. :eyes:

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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 09:21 AM
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93. Bullseye, Darth!
nm
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Darth_Kitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 10:40 AM
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98. Thanks!!!! and another thing.....
Edited on Sun Jul-13-03 10:42 AM by Darth_Kitten
what's up with all these topless airline flights and topless maids and such???.....(since I'm on a roll)...


I mean, does EVERY low-paying, low-prestige, female dominated job have to be exploited? :evilfrown:
Sex has it's place, just not in the workplace. Women don't deserve to be reduced to "things" for others' sick amusement.

there. :)
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The Lone Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 08:42 AM
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89. That is sick.
That is the bottom of the well, it does not get any slimier.
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Fatima Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 10:12 AM
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96. Ye gods! Those things leave ferocious WELTS!
No protection? What a pack of sickos.

My first experience with paintballs was in the Navy where my very clever weapons officer drilled us in shipboard defense with them...we used eye and face protection, and double sweat clothes...still went home with bruises the size of baseballs.

Cripes.
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Fescue4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 07:55 PM
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106. yeah..those hits have got to hurt
I've been shot at close range with paintball on near unprotected skin (t shirt) and it hurt like hell and left a huge mark.

But as sick as this is, this is no different than any other sexual activity that conservatives routinely look down on.

Hey..whatever floats their boat..
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Shipwack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 10:19 AM
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97. I'd give my left gonad to...
...get ahold of their client list. How many people can picture Cheney with a grin, a gun, and a girl?
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MrPrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 11:15 AM
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102. Typical Liberal Reaction : Stifle Ingenuity
These guys are putting Americans to work and helping out the economy with 'foreign investment' and typically Liberals are dumping on them with MORE regulation
LOL
:smoke:
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Fescue4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 08:03 PM
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107. Usually its the Con that hate this stuff
they hate anything sexual that not 100% "normal"

If women and men agree to do this consenually, theres not a damn thing wrong with it.

To condemn this is the same as condemning gay relationships, divorce, abortion and harems.
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 05:21 PM
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103. SEE THE WEBSITE AND THEN TELL ME THIS ISN'T SICK!
and I quote:

If you would like to fly out to wonderful fun filled Las Vegas, Nevada for the hunt of a lifetime now is your chance. You can actually hunt one of our Bambi sluts and shoot her with paintballs while we film the whole thing and tape it for your own home video. We will send you a complete list of wall hangers to choose from once your reservation is confirmed for your hunt. With over 30 women ready to be chased down and shot like dogs we guarantee a wide variety of Bambi?s to choose from. Whether it is a fat ass cow or a perfect 10 we have an abundance of these beauties. So if you are the ultimate sportsman and are seeking the ultimate adrenaline rush then come out to our ranch and shoot one of these nagging whinny bitches where it hurts and shut her the fuck up. Then mount her like a "Real Man".

Private hunt includes:
· Round Trip Airfare for hunter
· Lodging for hunter (3 Days 4 Nights)
· Meals for hunter
· The Hunt
· Video of the Hunt
· Mount (not for virgins, you figure it out)

If you haven't figured this out yet, this is a front for an Escort Service.

Look at the site.

http://www.huntingforbambi.com/

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Fescue4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-03 07:51 PM
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105. I bet this drives conservatives crazy!!

But I don't see anything wrong with it.

The women are not slaves. They choose to play and get paid.

The guys pay and get to play.

I cant say that it would do anything for me. And could not imagine paying $50, let alone $5k for the opportunity to paintball a naked woman.

To condemn this, is as bad as condemning gay sex just because you don't agree.
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