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veracity Donating Member (993 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-03 07:45 PM
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The Civil War in Iraq has started...Duh!
When Iraq was carved out of three warring factions by the British, - it took a strong armed dictator to keep them in check. Saddam Hussein, brutal dictator that he was, knew his history. For thirty years, - there were no internal wars....surely because of the harsh methods he used to keep the Shia in line - and from killing each other.

Those of us who protested the war - warned that all hell would break out once there was no strong leadership to sit on the potentially explosive situation. Well, suhprize, suhprise..... it's begun.

This is only the tip of the iceberg. This terrible explosion will be avenged. Then, the revenge will have to be avenged. On and on. Meantime, the Ba'athists will be using the chaos to pick off anyone they can. Al Qaeda - never before in the country, will come in to help cause more confusion and death. Our kids will be sitting in the middle of an unseen enemy, - dying and killing every day.

And Bush will get on TV to tell us how we're winning the war on terror.
Puke. Where is this all going to go? Anybody with an answer?




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sistersofmercy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-03 07:49 PM
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1. Is there an impeach for gross incompetence!
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Systematic Chaos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-03 07:52 PM
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2. It's all about the genocide, baby!
/sarcasm off
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-03 07:59 PM
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3. Godess save us from the ideologues.
If the vaunted Condipuhleeza Rice had read just one text on the history of the region, she would have known this oil grab was destined for abject, bloody, miserable failure.

On top of the failure will be hundreds of billions added to the national debt and, by the end of this little adventure thousands of american dead, not to mention the tens of thousands dead Iraqis.

Clusterfuck, as only George the Idiot can do.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-03 08:00 PM
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4. Where's it going? From bad to worse.
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karlschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-03 08:03 PM
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5. The question is what's worse than worse? I suppose 'worst'. We're close.
:grr:
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Gin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-03 08:06 PM
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7. Tom Friedman wondered if Iraq is the way it is because of Saddam...
or was Saddam the way he was because of Iraq...

The truth of that statment is becoming clear every day. It took a strong hand to rule. Chaos rules now.

God help us and the Iraqi's.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-03 08:04 PM
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6. Chalabi to the rescue..
Chalabi calls for security to be handed over to Iraqis after Najaf outrage

BAGHDAD (AFP) - A member of Iraq (news - web sites)'s US-appointed Governing Council called on Friday for internal security to be handed over to Iraqis following the killing of top Shiite leader Ayatollah Mohammad Baqer al-Hakim in a devastating car bombing in the holy city of Najaf.

Ahmad Chalabi, leader of the Pentagon (news - web sites)-backed Iraqi National Congress (INC), blamed remnants of Saddam Hussein (news - web sites)'s regime and supporters of the al-Qaeda terror network for the attack, which came a little over a week after another deadly bombing wrecked the UN headquarters in Baghdad.

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Chalabi said the answer to atrocities such as Friday's was for an Iraqi force to take over internal security duties while US-led coalition troops would defend Iraq's borders.

Such a force could be set up "within six weeks" if the coalition can be "persuaded" to approve the plan, Chalabi said.

More...

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=1514&u=/afp/20030829/wl_mideast_afp/iraq_najaf_blast_reax_030829173023&printer=1
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sistersofmercy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-03 08:13 PM
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9. UUURRRGGGHH.!! Don't get me started on chalibi and INC!
viruses I tell you, viruses!
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-03 08:15 PM
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11. And he's the head of the Iraqi Governing Council in September...
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sistersofmercy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-03 09:12 PM
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14. Oh Yeah, let fury unfold! Bet he'll be assisinated!
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0rganism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-03 08:08 PM
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8. To think that just yesterday, we were having an argument on DU....
...about whether the Iraqi people are "better off" now that they're "free from oppression." I do believe we've seen how this scenario played out with Yugoslavia, but obviously someone hasn't been learning from previous mistakes.

Out of the frying pan, into the fire.

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TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-03 08:15 PM
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10. They would NEVER let themselves do this RIGHT!
Because that's what Clinton did.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-03 08:16 PM
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12. This may not be an unintended consequence.
he has to have some indication. Maybe this is what he wants, a destabilized mideast. I tend to remember that as being one of the goals of the PNAC.

While climbing up to Debra Bizan I heard a noise on a nearby peak. It was a power struggle in a babboon troop. While the combatants went at it, the younger males were copulating with the leaders harem. Maybe while the Iraqis and other nations are caught up in the civil war, Bush will seize more oil fields.

I believe the big Saudi oil fields are in the east of the country.
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John_Shadows_1 Donating Member (289 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-03 08:17 PM
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13. Now we're up against it...
... civilians are a lot easier to kill than G.I.'s - and the rebels are going to give the clear impression that bombings like this aren't going to stop until the Americans go home. this is getting all Quagmire quick.
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 06:00 AM
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16. Hi John_Shadows_1!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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Aidoneus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-03 09:22 PM
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15. there were indeed internal wars
Kurdish nationalists didn't suddenly disappear from "South Kurdistan", Shia revolutionaries, centered on Najafi students of Sayyid Mohammed Baqir al-Sadr (executed by the Baathists in the early 80s for the his teachings and the activity of the party he founded) and the al-Daawa party kept up militant resistance to the Baathist gov't and its regional allies before and after the Iran war as part of a struggle begun before Hussein was in his teens. What you describe as "keeping in line" was fairly typical US-backed ruling class suppression, and not something to be passed off as a good accomplishment.

Your description of the period is inaccurate, though the "Iraq needs a dictator" meme is not original it is nonetheless ridiculous and is originally invented by the neocolonialists that dragged us into this war anyway.
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 06:43 AM
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17. I'm surprised they haven't blamed the bombing on Saddam....
he is alive and kicking...including his 12 doubles....

Maybe "flyboy" will gives us more insight when he graces us with his return to DC
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 06:49 AM
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18. This won't matter to fickle Americans
Soon Bush will leave the Iraqis to fight and brutally slaughter one another. We will have their oil, and Bush will be able to simply sit there like the smug asshole he is and declare how great it is for the Iraqis now that they are "free".
The people of this country will blindly support him, and they will never know the horrors that are happening over there because of his incompetence.
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