I just watched Fahrenheit 911, and my anger is unbearable.

[madfloridian]

I knew most of what was in it, just from being at DU since mid 2002. Just from reading the posts here about it. From researching and reading and surfing the blogs.

I do not even know at whom to be the maddest. Bush of course, is the central one....but at the beginning of the film my tears erupted at Gore's presiding over the election fiasco there in congress. I love him, but I was furious.

We had to turn it off for a while, as my hubby was getting madder as well....and he had already seen it once.

I thought of our guys we have lost, their families, the innocent Iraqis.....and then I got mad all over again about Fallujah, Najah, and Samarra....with total populations of nearly a million.

I then realized that Bush literally has a blank check to do that to other countries now. It is not healthy to be this angry, and I know it.

I have a son who is part of the defense military industrial complex, and who is moving up in the ranks at his well-known defense company. He has a good life, has done well. He is a good person, a kind person, but he says we should take the mideast over rather than let others do it. It does not sound like him. Not anymore. He is a victim of their propaganda, he is surrounded by it daily, and I am fighting for his soul and conscience. He does not like it, but I do not care. That is what mothers are supposed to do.

I wished I had not watched F911, but I knew I had to do it. I had heard it was "propaganda", even here I heard that. No, it is not. It is a realistic portrayal of what our country has become.

I am having a really hard time keeping my mouth shut about one man having this kind of power. I am equally angry at the Democrats who voted to give a man like Bush that authority. I will try to keep quiet until after the election.....

[Amich]

1. I watched it last night for the first time. E-mailed everyone and told

them it was a must see expecially my undecided friends.

[GreatAuntK]

2. Don't be quiet!

I don't think we should be quiet, just be smart and have facts at hand when you have a chance to convince someone. You sound like you're realistic and well spoken, and you should speak of your concerns when you feel comfortable doing so. You'll notice there are many families divided over these things lately.

[Kanary]

6. We *have* to be quiet here.

Those are the rules.

Until after the election.

And then......... ???????????

Kanary

[bloom]

3. yes - it is powerful

It is problem - the idea of benefiting from the war. Some certainly do more than others and more directly....

It all makes me want to live in the middle of nowhere on an island or something.

[seafan]

4. No! Don't push your anger down! It is how we will take America back!

I am having a really hard time keeping my mouth shut about one man having this kind of power. I am equally angry at the Democrats who voted to give a man like Bush that authority. I will try to keep quiet until after the election.....



Never remain silent!


F9-11 has been the catalyst for so many heartbroken people to find their voices... to cry out at Bush, as he rips the heart and soul of America to bloody shreds.


Victory against this darkness is at hand.

[kaishaku]

5. I just watched it also

and I am pissed that Democrats are going sweep everything under the rug when Kerry wins.
Anyone who disagrees, care to wager?

[newyawker99]

15. Hi kaishaku!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[LiberteToujours]

7. Just watched it today too

It was my second time, I also watched it in theatres. I found the most powerful part the last five minutes, when Moore talks about only sending our troops into harms way when it's absolutely necessary.

[madfloridian]

10. That was painful.

I saw soldiers with consciences, the one who said you lost a part of yourself when you killed someone. Then there were the ones who loved the "killing" type music in their helmets.

I am afraid of what kind of generation we have unconsciously (perhaps) raised.

I taught for many years, and I saw the uncaring kids come along, the ones who thought others did not matter. It started almost a generation ago,and it was obvious. I now recognize that it was part of the Gingrich revolution to do away with the new deal programs. First you have to make the poor and elderly the guilty ones...not rich enough, did not plan well....only then can you take away their benefits..when you convince the younger generation that if you are poor you deserve it and if you are rich you deserve it.

And when you teach the young people not to care, you make it easier to rid them of consciences. Then killing is easier.

[The Straight Story]

8. In your view

Who carried out 9/11. Who put the planes into the towers/pentagon and who killed all those people?

Did terrorists (for whatever reason) kill all those people? Were the planes remote controlled by bush as he drove around in his limo?

here is the reason I ask (and am not meaning to attack you, so please accept apology if it seems I am) - I have mentioned on other threads some of the people I work with. One is from Iran (and is now a US citizen as of a few weeks ago). He is mainly for bush, but leaning kerry (he can vote now).

I sent him to DU. He spent several days here before I heard anything from him about it. Up until 3 days ago all he would say was that 'yeah, I am reading, good stuff, lots of people talking about things' but remained sort of uncommitted. 3 days ago I saw him online (was his day off) and he asked me about the 9/11 threads. I told him there were a lot of theories there and such, interesting reading.

"no, no - i mean they talk about bush, angry at him all over the place for 9/11 but no one seems to be angry at the people that went in plane and did this. They make them sound like good people, people who had to do this because bush was bad". I sort of got what he was saying then talked to him yesterday by phone.

He sees bush as bad leader, 9/11 went down and he was in charge, he let people down. He will probably vote kerry. But he is still puzzled why he sees people give a pass (or hardly mention) those who carried out the acts.

So who is more responsible - bush, or the people who did the act? If bush made it happen (mihop) who were the people that did it, why did they do it, and where is the mass anger at them?

---- Here is my explaination to him ----

Bush is in power. Those who carried it out are dead. We have no one else to discuss, unless we want to discuss the beliefs of those who did it and try to figure out if there are more like them out there - how do we identify them?

bush is a common link to the events. He was in power before and after. He handled things poorly before and after. He is our focus because, while he was not the cause of it, he did not do what he could to prevent it and he is capitalizing on it now that it is over.

We can do something about that part of the problem, the other part of it we can only hope to defend against - and bush has already shown he cannot do that. Replace him.

[madfloridian]

11. In my view.....

I think they want us to stop taking over their countries. Bush has been the most obvious and most blatant in his lies, but every president has had some role in this imperialism.

I think it is like the wars in 1984, I think we will always have westasia and oceania.....and they will tell us where and when we are winning.

Sorry, but I am just angry tonight. I have my own views about 9/11, but I don't say them out loud very often. Not yet.

[Mechatanketra]

12. You might also want to mention to your friend ...

... that we don't actually know who "those people" are -- precisely because Bush blocked a real investigation into the attack.

Just picture if a spree killer shoots up a restaurant and the mayor tells the cops "I don't want you to investigate this. It's taken care of." Can you imagine what would happen? That's basically what happened after the towers went down -- the White House told everyone, "Back off, nothing to see here" ... and people listened.

That they did it was criminal. That it worked was insane. :-(

[BeFree]

16. Thanks, Straight Story

Your friend asked a good question, and your answer was concise.

"Why aren't we mad at those who did 9/11"

Who is not mad at anyone who would kill innocent people? The problem is, there are too many killings going on to be able to focus on just one set, except for those who do it in our names, ie, our very own government.

[B Calm]

9. I seen it at the movie theater, but today I purchased it and

wathed it again tonight. I expecially enjoyed watching all the extras on the DVD that were not in the original showing. We have relatives coming here in another week, so we'll all sit down one evening and watch it together.

[leftofthedial]

13. the early segment with gore presiding

over the utter dissing of the Congressional Black Caucus

made me angrier than anything else in the movie. It was like all the "respectable" white folk in town turning a blind eye to a lynching. Disgusting.

[proud2BlibKansan]

14. I know how you feel

When I saw it in the theater this summer, I was so mad I steamed for days. Didn't even talk about it. Then I bought the DVD last week and I have watched it 3 more times since then. Now I feel empowered, not angry. Empowered with information. And educated.

God bless Michael Moore. He deserves a medal for this.

Spread the word. Get as many people as you can to watch this movie in the next two weeks.