In my darkest moments...

[detroit]

...I think "Reichstag fire" when I think about 9/11/01. But I really hope that isn't the case. If it is, then our whole republic is a sham.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichstag_fire

Can anybody show me something to reassure me that such thoughts are mere paranoia?

[RoyGBiv]

1. Nope ...

Unfortunately.

[classof56]

2. Wish I could, but I'm having dark moments, too.

Welcome to DU, though. Glad you're with us. Let us keep the faith. And oh, yes--

DEFEAT BUSH!!

[alittlelark]

3. I also wish I could....

but my logic gets the better of me....

[Must_B_Free]

4. Oh Please

Of course that's what it is. Look at who benefitted.

[helnwhls]

7. it's so nice to see

someone type it out loud.

[grok]

5. becoming what I fear the most

by winning.

Unlikely in this case, but it's happened throughout history.

That is my greatest fear.

grok

[scarletwoman]

6. Why disabuse you of the truth?

I have lived with the certainty that 9/11 was a bush* cabal black op from the morning it happened.

But then, I was a teenager when JFK was assassinated. I've known that our "republic is a sham" for my entire adult life. It's better to have your eyes open, imho, in order to understand who our REAL enemies are.

sw

[drunkdriver-in-chief]

8. Thanks to the internetS, the truth is out there

15 years ago they'd have got away with this; which makes you wonder what other horrible things the govermedia has done in the past that we never found out about.

[cosmicvortex20]

9. If paranoid, then any attempt to sway you the other way would be seen...

as "part of the plan".

There is no way to reason a person out of a position they didnt reason themselves into.

[DivinBreuvage]

10. I know some of you guys just love to use the Reichstag Fire, but...

Read your own country's history. This is all good old American funny business that we have been doing ourselves -- with no help from National Socialist Germany or "shocking" quotes from Adolf Hitler, Josef Goebbels, or Hermann Göring -- for a long, long time. Take a look at America in the 1830s-40s-50s. Hitler wasn't even born then. But right-wing American conservatives were doing absolutely everything you see today. Massive vote fraud, judicial corruption reaching all the way to the Supreme Court, lying, partisan, and alcoholic presidents, wars of aggression, genocide, trumped up attacks on American soil.... yadda, yadda, yadda. I guess Hitler is sexier than James K. Polk or Roger Taney, though.

[ComerPerro]

11. Welcome to the club

I have been thinking that for over three years.

[friesianrider]

12. I've always thought the same...

If you're paranoid, so am I *shrug*

[SheepyMcSheepster]

13. i don't know what to think either,.......some will not consider it at all.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

14. No. That's why so many of us are doing all that we can to right the wrong.

[bliss_eternal]

15. Its cool to know that I am not the only one

that has thought or considered this possibility.

Quote:
I have lived with the certainty that 9/11 was a bush* cabal black op from the morning it happened.

Scarletwoman--
Me too. It made me very sad.

Feistygrrl

[TheWatcher]

16. It's not something I talk about often

And I will only mention it once in this Post, and probably never again.

The morning of those awful moments, I will NEVER be able to explain this, but I KNEW something was wrong. I felt in my heart, I felt it in my gut.

Something was amiss. I wasn't sure what at the time, but I just KNEW that something stunk to high heaven.

As time went on an the truth and facts, and yes, "conspiracies" slowly started to unravel, and the picture of what happened that day began to become more clear, all the fears that I had initially were becoming more and more justified. I knew in my heart and mind that at the very LEAST it was LIHOP, and I have finally crossed over in to MIHOP.

For the first 2 months after 9/11, I did not leave my house that much or interact with people, because I couldn't. I couldn't discuss what I felt with anyone, I couldn't talk about it with anyone. It was the most alienating, disconnecting experience I have ever been through in my life. I know that others who felt as I did from the beginning went through that too. It was a hellish time.

9/11, IMHO, was an inside job. As much as it hurts to believe that, and as much as it hurts to face it, that is my belief, and I have said it before, and I will say it again, out of ALL the explanations of what happened that day, the most improbable, laughable one of them all is of course.....

The Official Story.

NO ONE has been able to make it even hint at credible. NO ONE. And when one looks at who benefited, and simply follows the history of PNAC, as well as observing things from our past, such as Operation Northwoods, or even the past 50 years of American Foreign Policy, I'm sorry, it's difficult to see why people cannot cast a suspicious eye toward our Government.

There are many, MANY facets, truths, uncovered facts, and history past and present that points to MIHOP, and there is no way you can ever go over them in one Post.

All I can say to people at this point is go out there, take your own Journey, seek the Truth for yourself. Make up your own mind. Don't take my word for it or anyone else's. Seek the TRUTH about what happened. But I would be willing to bet if you do, and you really approach it with open mind and objective heart, you will come to the same conclusion I and many others have.

Our Government is GUILTY. GUILTY AS SIN. They are responsible IN SOME CAPACITY, Whatever Capacity that may be, for the MURDER of 3000 of their own countrymen, and and have politically exploited it for their own gain and plunder.

It IS that simple. I'm sorry. I don't like it. Flame me if you wish. You waste your time if you do.

I believe.

And I believe this country will NEVER have the chance to heal or understand ANYTHING that took place that day, or gain closure until the TRUTH is brought to light.

41 years after Kennedy, you'll understand if I don't hold my breath.

[UdoKier]

17. Our whole republic IS a sham. But it also is not a sham.

There are so many facts that run contrary to the virtues that we want to believe America represents. Hell, this country was founded on the genocide and displacement of millions of Indians. But we all want to believe in the Superman concept of Truth, Justice and the American Way. And that's true, too, simply because so many people believe in it.

It's a helluva balancing act keeping the atrocities that are an integral part of this country's evolution and its many virtues in perspective. If 9-11 really was a Reichstag fire, it wouldn't invalidate Superman's ideal anymore than Bush's lies on Iraq, LBJ's lies on the Gulf of Tonkin, Truman's lies about Hiroshima/Nagasaki, or any of the imperialist grabs at the turn of the last century.

America is more than just our history books. It's all of us. It's the housewarming basket you bring to the new neighbor and the Firefighters rushing into the WTC to get those people out at their own peril.

It will take a lot more than a sleazy attack like 9-11 to make me stop believing in America, in what it can be.

The only thing that could change that is if the vast majority of Americans came to believe in "Left Behind" more than their own country. If that happens, it will be time for me to move on.

[TheWatcher]

18. BRILLIANTLY Said. :)

[DulceDecorum]

19. It is always darkest, before dawn.

You are not alone.

We KNOW.
And we CARE.
DEEPLY.
Join us.
:grouphug:

Oct 16, 2004
“With deep shame, we apologize for the suffering our country has brought to the people of Iraq,” says a banner in a photo showing 11 people in Vancouver, Wash. Three elderly people in Minneapolis declare, “All our children long for a new day.”
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6260189/

LONDON, Oct 17: Tens of thousands of demonstrators took to the streets of central London Sunday to protest against the Iraq war as Prime Minister Tony Blair struggled to shake off fierce criticism of the invasion back home.
Organisers said that between 65,000 and 75,000 protesters had taken to the streets for the peaceful march, which began at Russell Square, close to the British museum. Police put the figure at between 15,000 and 20,000.
http://www.dawn.com/2004/10/18/top10.htm

Monday October 18, 2004
Up to 70,000 people from more than 70 countries rallied yesterday in Trafalgar Square against the Iraq war, calling for troops to be pulled out and Tony Blair to be tried in the international courts.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1329783,00.html