Does the DLC have a death-wish, Fighting with Jon Stewart?

[Sterling]

Does the DLC have a death-wish, Fighting with Jon Stewart?

I cannot suggest strongly enough Duers use whatever channels they have to Carrville, Begala and the DLCers to plead with them not to start a war with Jon Stewart. This is the worst thing that can happen to the Democrats. Jon Stewart is far more respected than the party is at this point. He is untouchable and has rhetorical and satirical skills that are unmatched. His show is far more popular than any cable news show our Dems appear on.

On one hand there is little that would satisfy me more than to see the Vicy dems get their just due but it’s really a bad time to have this fight.

Anyway Begala, Carville, you best recognize who your new daddy is and make nice with him or your downward career spirals will become much more steep.

Ok I, felt like I had to post this so that now I can sit back and watch with joy as Stewart does what we all should have done long ago, clean house on the whore.

The irony is Stewart was being co-opted by all the cable whores. Their strategy for dealing with his growing popularity and their declining relevance was to pretend they thought he was just kidding and liked them. They fawned over him day after day. I think it gave him the creeps. I am sure he thought “they just don’t get it”. Now they get it. The joke has always been on them.

JS has the biggest balls in America!!!!

Jon Stewart for President!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[On the Road]

1. Hey, If You're Against the DLC

let 'em start a fight they can't win. Why save them?

[Sterling]

13. I wish they were smart enough to save it til Bush is out.

Or even better yet smart enough to realize Stewart is right. However I will take a certain satisfaction in seeing the coming power shift on the left after this election.

Begala, Carville, DLC whores = out
Stewart, Franken, Air America = in

[MisterP]

22. well, it's not like they were intended to HELP the party...

[Zhade]

37. Indeed. See my signature for more.

NT!

[0007]

66. You got it Toyota - Begala, Carville is like a broken record

Begala, Carville, DLC whores = out
Stewart, Franken, Air America = in

[freetobegay]

2. Huh?

Where has the DLC tried to start a was with Jon Stewart.

IMO this is nothing but flame bait. I happen to support the DLC & this is not the time to try to bash the DLC. We all have one goal right now & that is to elect Kerry.

ON EDIT: I should also point out that I love Jon Stewart! The two just do it different ways.

[IdaBriggs]

6. Carville called him a bad name yesterday on Crossfire. And uninformed. nt

[krkaufman]

Carville and Begala != DLC, they're just trying to protect their CNN turf.

To H-E-doubletoothpicks w/ Carville and Begala if they continue playing on the right-wing's home field.

[Zhade]

40. You shouldn't support the DLC. They don't support you.

See my signature for reasons why.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

3. What fight?

Do you have ANYTHING to back this up?

[IdaBriggs]

7. See #5 & #6, nt

[shoelace414]

4. what are you referring to?

[drbtg1]

5. Carville called Stewart a "pompous ass" on 10/18 Crossfire

Could that be what Sterling was refering to?

[Mojambo]

8. Probably Carville saying,

"I think Jon Stewart is a pompus jackass."
I don't think Carville has anything to do with the DLC though.

In any event, the DLC has only got me for another 2 weeks. And it has nothing to do with any perceived feud with Stewart.

[Sterling]

9. Jesus people get up to speed.

He trashed Begala and Carville on Crossfire. Now Begala and Carville mouth pieces of the DLC are crying about it in public and Stewart is shreading them on his show. It is making lamestream dems look, well, lame.


What STewart said was correct, we all know it. EIther the DLCers get back in touch with the rest of the party and America or I see a big shift in the left coming on.

Carry on.

[charlie]

12. Sez Stewart

"They said I wasn't being funny. And I said to them, 'I know that, but tomorrow I will go back to being funny, and your show will still blow.' "

[Cha]

75. That was the PERFECT answer!

I think Jon Stewart can differentiate between mediawhores and the Dems working hard to get Kerry in.

begalla and carville, novak and tucker better watch it!

[ElsewheresDaughter]

84. smackdown!...Stewart speaks truth and they wither..LOVE YA JON!!!!

[LSdemocrat]

20. Just because Begala says something doesn't mean he's speaking for the DLC

It's not as if Begala and Carville are the official spokespeople of the DLC.

If the DLC wants to pick a fight, they'll put an article up on their website.

I suspect Carville was just speaking in defense of his friend.

[Sterling]

74. Or his own defense maybe?

If you watch Stewarts show you realize he is after the whole system not just Tucker and Paul. If you don't watch the show you probably would think he was just attacking crossfire but he was speaking of the media and political system in general. Including Dems and especially DLC types.

[maxsolomon]

10. No Facts called Jon "uninformed"

whhich shows just how uninformed the punditocracy is.

[GreenPartyVoter]

11. John's got my vote. The DLC can go play hopscotch

with the PNACers for all I care.

[Zhade]

43. Will Marshall will draw the squares with Richard Perle's chalk.

Traitor.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

14. The DLC has a death wish for the Democratic Party.

The DLC are wannabee moderate republicans trying to mold the Democratic Party into a Rockefeller Republican clone.

[Sterling]

16. I knew that but I thought

their sense of self preservation wold hold out. They have always been good at saving their own asses. I think it is a sign of how desperate they are as they see people turning elsewhere for leadership and information.

[Bandit]

15. Stewert also said last night that he didn't just mean that Carlson

was a Dick. He said all of them were Dicks. He said there were four Dicks on that show and the entire show "Blows" Jon is pulling no punches and I can fully understand the Crossfire crew being defensive but what does this have to do with DNC?

[Sterling]

17. DLC

Carville Begala are DLC mouthpeices. I am surprised you don't already realize this.

You do know about the DLC right? It's not the DNC.

[Selatius]

18. Reply

I'm no fan of the DLC either. The 1990s was probably the worst decade for the Democratic Party since before FDR arrived. They tried moving the party to the right by appearing moderate, but all they did was make it a choice between a relatively centrist party and a rightwing party, and people don't like bullshit, so many Dems stopped voting, and the ones left voting opted for the Republicans.

Jon Stewart spoke some truth. Crossfire, instead of covering the issues, merely is an exercise in political rhetoric and zingers.

Begala et al. should simply drop the issue and move on as well as signal the rest of the DLC to wake up or ship out. Continuing the flames after Stewart has left is incredibly stupid.

[Edmond Dantes]

108. Stewart said that AFTER Carville's comment, no? EOM

[Redleg]

19. Stewart is "far more respected than the party?"

Hogwash. I like and respect John Stewart but he is not far more respected.

[Jacobin]

21. Uhm, I respect Jon FAR more than the current Dem party

There's not even a contest.

I'm just sayin....

[Redleg]

23. And you and Sterling are a sample of... 2?

I get your point but I seriously doubt that mainstream Dems have more respect for Stewart than for the party. Besides, isn't the DLC kind of passe these days?

[loudsue]

25. A HELLUVALOT more than "2"....the DLC is the republican wing of the Dem

party. They ARE republicans, but they have run as Democrats, and have sabotaged our party, and have made sure congress is repuke also. They are responsible for letting America become a one-party nazi state.

If you've been doing your homework, redleg, you'd know that. It's been discussed on the internet boards so much that people just figure it's not worth rehashing anymore.

Hell, Howard Dean deliberately ran as the candidate "FROM THE DEMOCRATIC WING OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY". Doesn't that maybe tell you something???

:kick::kick::kick:

[Redleg]

31. Sterling said "party" not DLC.

And it's not agreed here at DU or in the Democratic party that the DLC is a pack of Rethugs. Perhaps you haven't seen the flame wars about this here? It's just that a lot of folks who either support the DLC or who are indifferent to them have stopped responding to obvious flame-bait posts against the DLC.

For the record- I do not support the DLC no do I think they are Republican lite. I am a liberal Democrat who believes we have room in our party for divergent opinions. I didn't like to see the DLC running the show in the 1990s. I felt that that progressives in the party were locked out or ignored by the DLC mainstreamers. I appreciated Howard Dean's candidacy and his enthusiasm to get us back on track. I just don't think comments like those made at DU do much to advance the understanding we need. A lot of posters here have been alienated because of the incessant attacks on Kerry, the party and the DLC.

[Sterling]

34. DLC calls the shots.

Until that stops, they "are" the party, even though the represent a small amount of the people in it.

I see what Stewart did as a sign that is about to change over the next few years.

[Redleg]

41. I disagree.

EOM

[Robbie67]

45. If the DLC is not in charge of the party

then why was the exclusive theme of this year's Democratic party convention one of war and John Kerry's service in war?

[Redleg]

50. That was not the exclusive theme. That is repub talking points.

The speakers spoke about a number of things, including war and Kerry's service.

[Robbie67]

"It" is points?

Like the Republicans used 9/11 as their theme, the Democrats used service and Kerry's service as backdrop for the whole affair. Anti-war planks were rejected and there was little if any mention about the poor, corporate excess and power, media problems, etc.

Who decided that it should be that way? John Kerry?

[Redleg]

56. I guess that is your reality- you saw it with your unbiased eyes.

I don't deny that Kerry's war record was a major part but there was other stuff. Besides, Kerry has clearly been working on economic and social issues as well as the disaster that is Iraq. I don't buy the line that Kerry is owned by the DLC. Of course that's my biased eye telling me what I want to hear.

[Desertrose]

92. yes...that IS your biased eye telling you what you want to hear

....of course Kerry is owned by the DLC...haven't you been paying attention at all??

[Redleg]

98. But you, of course, have no perceptual blinders?

Give me a break. I state that we all use our own subjective frame of reference and you reply that I do but don't admit to your own. There is no sense in discussing this issue with you true believers.

[HFishbine]

46. Me too

eom

[Zhade]

55. Please read the links in my signature.

NT!

[Redleg]

57. Once again- I am not a DLCer. I just get tired of some here

who do nothing but rant about the DLC and how Dems are not liberal enough.

[Zhade]

60. Wellllll...considering the damage the DLC has done to the party...

I don't think it's ranting. I think it's warning people. Some (not saying you) refuse to listen, no matter how much solid evidence there is that the corporatist DLC is only out for itself.

And the Dem party truly isn't as liberal as it once was. That's just an obvious fact. Denying it keeps us from making useful corrections.

[Redleg]

96. I'm going to play devil's advocate here...

The DLC helped Bill Clinton get elected twice. Now you and I know that Bill Clinton was not progressive enough on economic issues but we also know that having Bush I or Dole in office would have been worse.

It occurs to me that if the DLC has taken control of the party and is beholden to corporate interests then it is partly the fault of Democrats. Look at the huge amounts of money needed to run and win a presidential or congressional campaign. The DLC wanted to be able to get more funding from big business to help Dem candidates- it may have had to make a deal with the devil and go along with NAFTA and other policies that disadvantage workers.

I believe that under the current campaign financing system the Democratic party cannot raise enough money from private citizens to effectively counteract the loads of corporate money going into Republican coffers.

Howard Dean's fundraising did show some promise that regular folks can make a difference but it won't be so easy to wean the Dems off the corporate teat, so to speak. I believe that Dems cannot afford to be painted as anti-business just so they can appear pro-worker. I say that as a person who believes strongly in employee rights, labor unionism, and forms of workplace democracy. I am just trying to be realistic- big business is too powerful and will always be able to deliver more money to the Repubs than ordinary working folks will be able to give to the Dems. Perhaps the cure is to radically change campaign financing.

Please believe me when I say I understand your complaints about the DLC and party in general.

[Blue Wally]

100. Dirty little secret

I believe that under the current campaign financing system the Democratic party cannot raise enough money from private citizens to effectively counteract the loads of corporate money going into Republican coffers.


We continue to delude ourselves with this "party of the rich" rhetoric. We never want to admit (though Dr Dean had a glimmering) that the Republicans have been financed largely through a very efficient direct mail system mining a very good database of donors for $250 to $500 contributions. This direct mail operation set up by Richard Vigurie accounts for the bulk of their funding. We need a comparable system because the next wave of campaign finance reform will shut down George Soros and similar donors that have carried us this go-round. The DNC needs to be more efficient at grass roots fund raising.

[Redleg]

103. As I said, Dean's fundraising showed some promise.

I still believe corporate America will accelerate their donations to the RNC if we do a better job raising money from regular folks. I guess I am pessimistic about our future as long as corporations get to donate the way they do.

[Zhade]

106. "I am pessimistic about our future as long as corporations get to donate"

Same here, my friend! That's why I despise the DLC - for accepting the corruption that goes with corporate cash, when it's clear that if they don't pander to corporations and work for our rights we will be able to afford to give our hard-earned money, and we'll do it gladly.

There are far more liberally-minded people in America than conservatives. We can win the money battle if we grassroots well, but the politicos need to show us it's worth our time and money.

Just like the corporate elite, WE demand a return on OUR investment.

[Redleg]

109. Yes, the Dems need to realize alternative sources, ways of getting

money. I also believe that campaigns are too costly to run. Look at how much money the candidates spend now just to get a 30 sec. commercial. I believe the internet may help revolutionize campaigning and fundraising but it can also be used for "evil" intent.

[Zhade]

104. Dirty little secret #2: some DLC "Dems" don't WANT to be weaned.

They like the corporate cash too much.

[Redleg]

110. You're probably right- the corporate cash comes calling whereas

money from individual voters often needs to be solicited.

[Desertrose]

no ranting here...its the truth....

DLC is a corporate party....out for big guys,not the rest of us.

Obvious truth.

[intheflow]

39. You are so right it's depressing. n/t

[Tsiyu]

68. Can you hear that music?

"What have you done for me lately?"

We chastise moderate Repukes for letting the neo-cons take over their party. When we let spineless enablers of the neo-cons take over our party, it hurt us. We are no different if we hold on to outdated methods and unclear goals.

The old wood has to be pruned. Or, as that old book says, you can't pour new wine into old wineskins. We need an indignant party, an outraged party, a party of the curious and courageous. In my opinion, the Democratic party has failed me.

I am the new Democratic Party. Drive or get off the road. Stewart is moving. The stagnant has-beens of this party need to step aside or grow some Humbleballs and get to work.

[GodHelpUsAll2]

70. Make that 3

[Cha]

77. Four!

:toast:

[Desertrose]

95. add 3 more from my household....

:bounce::bounce::bounce:

[Castilleja]

101. Add one more, too

N/T

[comsymp]

102. Two more here

[PsychoDad]

114. 2 more here -nt

[intheflow]

38. Au contrair

I believe he IS more respected by ordinary citizens under the age of 40. All my non-politcal friends get their news from Jon Stewart, not any of the "respectable" news sources.

Stewart's viewers are also more likely to know the true skinny on what's going down in the news than people who watch regular tv news.

From an Ohio Business Journal
http://www.business-journal.com/NoJokeDailyShowViewersKnowIssues.asp

(snip)

The Annenberg survey found that people who watch The Daily Show are more interested in the presidential campaign, more educated, younger, and more liberal than the average American or than Leno or Letterman viewers. “However, these factors do not explain the difference in levels of campaign knowledge between people who watch The Daily Show and people who do not,” Young pointed out. “In fact, Daily Show viewers have higher campaign knowledge than national news viewers and newspaper readers -- even when education, party identification, following politics, watching cable news, receiving campaign information online, age, and gender are taken into consideration.”

During the mid-July to mid-September time survey period, Daily Show host Jon Stewart interviewed such political figures as Sen. John Kerry, Sen. John McCain, former President Bill Clinton, Republican National Committee Chairman Ed Gillespie, and White House Communications Director Dan Bartlett. In addition to the interviews, The Daily Show’s programs dealt with political news and issues of the day, from “Mess O’Potamia” (ongoing coverage of the Iraq War), to the controversial anti-Kerry swift boat advertisements, to the value of “objectivity” in news reporting.

Young people who watched The Daily Show scored 48% correct on the campaign knowledge test while young people who did not watch any late-night comedy scored 39% correct. Meanwhile, young people who watched four of more days of network news scored 40% correct, equally frequent cable news viewers 48% correct and newspaper readers 46% correct.

(snip)

[MADem]

85. I know a fair number of oldsters

...the oldest being 90, who will not MISS the Daily Show. I am occasionally asked for translations of tricky bits, but they get most of it, and prefer it to the local news.

[Sterling]

87. Everyone does, it's a sensation.

What they do on that so is truely amazing. That staff is the most talented in all of TV period. That is why we cannot let people like Begala and Carville get on their bad side.

If Dems ran campaigns like Stewart's show Bush would have never been an issue. Carville and Bagala need to STFU and take some notes.

[Sterling]

76. People who would not vote dem listen to JS.

Hell people who are too fed up to vote respect Stewart. I am not sure if you are aware but the Democratic party is not well respected period, even among it's membership.

[Rowdyboy]

Hey! Why not have a huge intraparty feud two weeks before an election

Lets wound each other good-Lots of choice insults. Nows the PERFECT time for a Democratic circular firing squad. LOCK AND LOAD!!!

<<<<thats sarcasm, for those with difficulty understanding>>>>

Stewart wasn't criticizing the DLC and Begala/Carville weren't defending it. He was criticizing their stupid show format and how it does nothing but reinforce both sides CHEAP talking points.

But hey, if you can possibly get Dems angry at each other right now, and discourage morale, go for it!

[Redleg]

32. Well said. We Dems and liberals are good at self-inflicted wounds.

Jeebus.

[intheflow]

42. Fascism creeps into DU

If we can't have discourse now, when is a good time? Doesn't the political system work best when all voices are heard?

BTW, I'm not really calling you a fascist. I'm just saying be careful what you wish for.

[Rowdyboy]

49. Perhaps the day AFTER the election might be a better time to start

name-calling and stereotyping.

BTW, John Kerry and John Edwards are both members of the DLC.

[Zhade]

58. HA! You haven't SEEN flamewars yet.

Just wait until Kerry's in office and progressives no longer have to hold their tongue for "unity" or "to prevent b*sh from winning".

Man, you think it's been bad? Wait until Kerry's feet can be held to the fire without progressives being told they're "enabling the Republicans".

Or will that continue? "Don't criticize Kerry, you're just helping the Repubs in Congress!"

It's going to go NUTS in here when Kerry wins. Mark my words.

[Rowdyboy]

62. I have no problem with any criticism once the election is decided...

I agree, it will go nuts-and thats fine after we've won.

[Sterling]

80. Maybe you should tell Begala and Carville so they don't fuck with JS

I think that makes Dems look really petty and hunorless to many people who may not be as loyal to the party leaders as yourself.

[PassingFair]

79. Hey RowdyBoy!

...thanks for REMINDING us.

:puke:

[Sterling]

82. "John Kerry and John Edwards are both members of the DLC."

Thanks for bringing that up . Carville works for Kerry. Carville is fighting in public with someone Kerry needs to win this election.

Kerry is DLC, Carville is DLC. Just like PNACers they don't have to say "i AM SPEAKING FOR pnac" TO BE SPEAKING FOR pnac.

[Rowdyboy]

91. And your point is?

The Democratic party is composed of the DLC, labor, environmentalists, gays & lesbians, intellectuals, blacks, Hispanics, Asians, native Americans, feminists, teachers/educators, and students. Winning requires a coalition. Coalitions require compromise. Losing, however, can easily be accomplished by refusing to compromise. Your preference?

Kerry, Edwards, Carville, Hillary Clinton and about 2/3 of all elected Democrats are DLC. What? You want to toss all of them because they don't fit your "Vision" of the Democratic party? You want to kick out most of the party so its fits you better?

Sharpton, Braun, and Kucinich represent the left of the Democratic party. Dean, conservative as he was, still represented reformers (at least in spirit). All combined, they got maybe 33% of the party vote. The more centrist candidates: Kerry/Edwards/Gephart/Graham are all on the same playbook, my friend, and it is a winning playbook.

Again, this is JUST MY OPINION...

[Redleg]

51. There is a better time to fight that battle.

Your use of the term "fascism" is revealing even though you claim you didn't mean anything by it.

[Rowdyboy]

63. If you truly understand the meaning of the word "fascism", you don't

use it often and never casually.

[intheflow]

64. definition from Merriam-Webster

"a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control."

Criticizing free speech might qualify.

But I stand by my first post, I don't think you're a fascist. I think you're scared. And who can blame you there? Me too! :scared:

[Rowdyboy]

65. Fascist, Nazi, racist, bigot are four words I, personally, use very rarely

and only if I'm sure they're deserved. They very STRONG, the worst insults you can call anyone short of vulgarities. They are best used sparingly, IMO.

On the second point, we're in complete agreement. I'm scared as shit. Thats why I'm bothered by infighting-its not good at this point-we need to be more focused on the goal and less on our differences.

[intheflow]

67. Cha!

Right you are on both counts, Rowdy Boy. There's a lot to be said for solidarity!
:pals:

[alittlelark]

83. Hello jinuu. as to the definition of Fascism

You really need to look at a dictionary pre 1981 for the definition. The definition was changed in the 1980's It used to be (paraphrasing) "The merger of corporate/ buisness interests and government, generally under a dictator"

Pretty big difference in definitions there.

[intheflow]

90. confession

I chose the second of 2 definations under fascism. Yours was closer to the first definition. But, Academic Weenie that I am, I choose the one that best supported my point.

Which wasn't really my point, anyway. I just used the word "fascism" in the posting title to get people's attention. Geez, lighten up already!
:headbang:

[Redleg]

99. Suggesting that we are wrong and acting like fascists is also

critical of free speech, isn't it? I wouldn't suggest you are fascist.

[Sterling]

78. You don't watch John's show do you?

If you did I think you would understand it's about more than Crossfire's format.

You should watch the show because it is as true a reflection of what Non Neo Con America thinks as you will ever see. You won't get it on Crossliar that is for sure.

[LSdemocrat]

24. Since when did Paul Begala become the official spokesperson for the DLC?

If the DLC wants to pick a fight, they'll put it on their website.

As far as I can tell, they haven't put out an article yet.

In fact, if you do a search on the DLC website, Paul Begala's name only comes up three times.

In terms of Carville, he was probably speaking up in defense of his friend as friends do.

Your thread title is incredibly misleading and should be changed.

[porphyrian]

26. Fuck the DLC.

First, bush goes. Then they're next.

[Bonhomme Richard]

28. I agree 100%......n/t

[FarLeftRage]

30. I also agree!!!

1000%

[Zhade]

61. Hear, hear!

NT!

[ElsewheresDaughter]

88. do it sideways with a 2x4!!...amen

[bhairava]

89. Yes!

Nothing would make me happier! These fascist enablers (that is what they are) have sent this country on the road to ruin. They and their fellow travellers have more and stronger words for progressives than for the criminals currently in power. Begala and Carville's rebuke is so typical and shows how out of touch they are. I'm sure most people here realise that more people have downloaded and watched the video of Stewart on Crossfire than actually tuned in to Crossfire! The people ARE fed up but as per usual Beltway insiders like those two have nothing but contempt for the people. Insiders like Begala and Carville are guaranteed their niches and sinecures even with Repigs in control of all three branches thus perpetuating the illusion of an opposition.

[info being]

105. I'm with you.

[Selwynn]

111. Agreed

[robbedvoter]

27. DLC? Nope. mediawhores vs Stewart.

Let's not mix issues here.

[LSdemocrat]

29. Exactly

This was Stewart taking on the media, and now the media taking on Stewart.

This has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with party factions and ideology.

[Redleg]

33. Exactly right. I guess some folks see the DLC as lurking behind

the scenes of every conflict.

[Sterling]

35. Sorry you don't follow the conection.

If you don't understand that people like Stewart are equally upset with the tactics of groups like the DLC then you really are not part of this conversation on a meaningful level.

Stewart was calling out the WWF staged circus that passes for politics in our country these days.

As usually DLC people completely out of touch with most of the party and certainly most of America.

[Redleg]

44. Did Stewart even mention the DLC?

I guess I'm not part of this conversation on a meaningful level. I read the John Stewart Crossfire transcript and I don't recall him mentioning the DLC at all. Are you putting words into his mouth?

If you last line was to imply I am a DLCer, you are mistaken. You assume because I disagree with you I am disconnected from reality and must be a DLC weeny.

[robbedvoter]

59. DLC - bad, but not part of this story anymore than Saddam or OBL

Sorry, but much as I am pissed with DLC, Carville, Begala, DNC too - the subject of this story is: news media is not covering relevant topics.
I doubt you can blame DLC for that one....
Contrary to what W believes, there are more shades than black and white and not all the bad guys are connected with each other (see OBL/Saddam, Carville/DLC)

[Sterling]

71. DLC like PNAC has for Neo Con war mongers has become slang for

The sellout wing of the party. No Stewart did not use the word DLC. Yet he did directly attack two of the most vocal advocates of DLC candidates and policy. Not only that but he attacked the show that is frequented by the top hacks in both parties where the do exactly what Stewart accused them of, avoiding real issues and serious discussion, scoffing at anyone not playing along with their paradigm.

Crossfire is a metaphor for the WWF sham that our current system is and while he was criticizing more than just the DLC the DLC was most certainly one of his targets. Now the DLC hacks he insulted are foolishly engaging in a pissing contest with him in public which further serves to undercut the credibility of the current media and political establishment which the DLC is certainly a big player in.

So yes the DLC and everything the DLC stands for is at issue here. If Begala and Carville would take their lumps and take Stewart's advice this could be a lot less damaging for the DLC agenda.

Don't fool yourself his appearance was a big moment in the culture war. It would be wise to understand this if the DLCers want to stay in the game.

[Robbie67]

48. Weren't DLC supporters very much in favor...

of the 1996 Telecom Act?

[Lorien]

54. Yeah, they're nothing but corporate whores

I'll take Jon Stewart any day over the "republican lite" in the DLC. I don't see Stewart as a democrat, either: I'd put him in the same catagory as Bill Moyers, Micheal Moore and Kevin Philips; patriots without a real party to call home, because both parties are so corrupted by corporate ownership (all four will vote for Kerry, but not without some reservations).

[KlatooBNikto]

36. The DLC is the PNAC's Democratic Arm.What did you expect?

[TexasSissy]

47. Why do you think the DLC is fighting with Stewart?

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

53. Sounds like he pulled their covers and showed their repuglite asses.

[Sterling]

73. Yes it was a Bullworth moment.

nt

[RollergirlVT]

52. JS for prez I've been thinkg the same thing! for 2012 of course.

[sans qualia]

69. Um, if the DLC does have a deathwish

do we really want to get in its way?

[Sterling]

86. Not after Nov 2 but seeing as how all our eggs are in that basket

I had higher hopes for them. Not fucking with JS should be a golden rule among Kerry people.

[Cha]

72. That's so Funny and so True!

"Jon Stewart has the biggest balls in America!!!!"

[ElsewheresDaughter]

81. I agree 100%

[Media_Lies_Daily]

93. Mountain out of a molehill. Nobody's fighting with anyone.

[Selwynn]

112. This is actually what I think too - think this doesn't quite constitute a

"fight"

[against all enemies]

94. Does Stewart sleep with Dick Cheney's Chief of Staff?

I didn't think so. While we see this election as the possible end of democracy, and so does Mr. Stewart, Carville sleeps with Dr. Evil's Iron-maiden. My respect goes to Stewart, without hesitation.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

97. fuck the DLC it is the republican corporate whores of the democratic party

[Zhade]

107. Indeed - as documented in my signature.

All should read those links. Quite enlightening.

[Individualist]

113. Absolutely ! n/t