THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS IRRELEVANT FOREVER IF THEY DON'T EXPOSE THE FRAUD.

[TruthIsAll]

The party will self-destruct, Bill Clinton's latest words of accomodation and reevaluation not withstanding.

We are on the balls of our ass.

The media is anointing the Second Bush Coup with lies. More propaganda. But this time its personal. Who will stop this carnage before it's too late?

We know the TRUTH but our so-called representatives ignore it.

We need a saviour to lead lead the way to expose TRUTH.

Let's get some official support for Bev Harris.

Howard Dean? Al Gore? Dennis Kucinich? John Edwards?

John Kerry? If you do nothing, we understand. Skull & Bones.

If none will make a stand, I am GREEN forever.

[bullimiami]

1. absolutely but not for that reason.

it will be a one party state. they will never be able to win another election without the permission of the ruling party. he who counts the votes.

it wont matter if we have solidarity or shatter into nothing.

[Desertrose]

3. sshhh....(its already a one party state)

Seems pretty clear its the corporate party.

[Cobalt Violet]

11. We got "permission" from the fuhrer to win...

The Northeast and the West Coast.

[Desertrose]

2. I don't think we need a savior...I think its OUR turn now

I think "we the people" have to stand up to all the BS. We are the ones that got us here in the first place by sitting back and waiting for someone else to "save" us.

There are many still sleeping but maybe it is our job to wake their asses UP!

[The Backlash Cometh]

5. Pity the people who are in need of a leader.

We know the difference between right and wrong. We don't need someone telling us.

Also, we've all worked for corporations who had CEOs and managers who would have fallen on their faces if it weren't for our sweat and knowledge. I think we can find the people among us who are willing to roll up their sleeves and do the work that needs to be done. Bev Harris is one such person.

[Hubert Flottz]

6. I think you are exactly right!

And I think the vote fraud is going to turn out to be the catalyst! Either lead or get the fuck out of the way and shut you lying mouth! Is there a REAL leader among the democrats or are they all AWOL Cowards too? We shall soon see!

[mindfulNJ]

4. I totally agree

What's with all the posts about how bad the campaign was, or how we need to suck up to rural Christians?!!THE ELECTION WAS STOLEN. We GOT more votes than they did! Say it with me now...F,R,A,U,D....FRAUD!!!!!

[Ardee]

7. Wait a hold it.....

Let me see if I've got this right....You reject the Democratic Party out of hand ( and a good choice that is in my opinion) yet you name three democrats as the hope of the future?

Dean:
A conservative Lieutenant Governor who succeeded to the governorship at the death of his superior. Dean was famous for his battles with the democrats in the Vermont legislature and his chumminess with the Republicans there. Suddenly, with a chance for the big prize lurking he becomes the great white hope of progressives....piffle.The electorate saw through him like I see through a window.

Gore:
A bigger coward and waffler than Kerry for crying out loud. This guy needs psychological help,imo.I sat and was mesmerized by his speech in SF at the Commonwealth Club, a speech which received a standing ovation and was followed, a short time later , by his capitulation and withdrawal from the race.Who the hell is this guy?

Kucinich:
I love this guy, really I do. That fact alone should tell you that he stands absolutely no chance of being a power in the Democratic Party.
I truly believe that the Democratic Party is a part of the problem and will never be a part of the solution.

[mazzarro]

8. I believe that it is time to shove the Clintons and DLC aside

Dean, Gore or Kucinich - declared and unequivocal opponents of this administration should take the lead in this struggle of ours.

[Lone_Wolf]

9. The Green Party is looking very good to me these days as well...

Ever since the DLC took over, the Democratic Party has shifted too far to the right for me. Our party's "leaders" seem more concerned with protecting the status quo instead of making strides towards real progressive change.

[Hubert Flottz]

14. We need a LABOR party in America!

Before the middle class is gone forever! The people who WORK and pay the taxes need to run the fucking country!

[Lone_Wolf]

17. I consider the Greens the closest thing in this country to a Labor party

Just a quick look at the Green's Party website shows they are VERY pro-labor. Living Wage, worker's rights, etc.

"We support the right of local governments to set higher social and environmental standards than those set by international trade organizations and treaties.

We support the right of workers to form collective bargaining units; the right to a fair living wage; and right to safe, healthy working conditions.

We reject agreements that negotiate downward our basic environmental, human rights, health, safety and labor standards, and prohibitions against child and forced labor.

We reject trade agreements negotiated in secret and/or unduly influenced by mega-corporate interests such as the Multilateral Agreement on Investments (MAI), the General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade (GATT), and the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA). Treaties such as these are threats to local autonomy, and limit the participation of citizens in decisions affecting the economic and environmental health of their communities."

http://www.gp.org/common_ground.html

[Blue_Roses]

10. Or an Erin Brockovich?

There is hope:D She brought a huge power company to it's knees! It usually is the "little people" who bring the guys down.

[mitchum]

12. Yep

[itzamirakul]

13. Sign Petition: DEAN FOR CHAIR OF DNC -link posted here

http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/deanfordnc

[0007]

15. Some drastic changes are in order.

Have we been bushwhacked by the man of the cloth at the pulpit? I sometime wonder where all those little yellow ribbons materiazed.

If there is a pattern of fraud and our voice is not heard then the door will shut on Democracy and the toilet will flush.


[info being]

16. They pissed away a lot of money for nothing.

I ain't giving it again.

[Malva Zebrina]

18. Not Gore--not looking good these days

not Edwards, unless he goes to the left a little more, but if he does he will self destruct unless he goes the way of Dean and not anyone from the Belt Way where politics overtakes truth more than not--I don't care how stable and statesmanlike they are--except for Dennis, who I love the most. Perhaps Dean--he had the message, delivered it and was fearless. Clark was the best at delivering messages and was also fearless but arrived too late.

I agree, time for the Clintons to go. Hillary is playing the game now too. I once thought she was a liberal, well I guess she is, but somehow I cannot trust her as much as I did.

I don't know which way I will go but I have a notion that I cannot stay with the moderate to the right Democrats through another election. I don't know much about Greens. I do know I am pushed way far over to the left now. I may explore Socialism and also the Green party.

[kikiek]

19. Yeah that will help. Split up the progessives.

Play right into their hands. Why do you think they were helping Nader? Everyone fleeing before at least a center shift is going to make the neocons king. Our reps have to go back and try to deal with an admin that is totally in control, but against everything the dems stand for. They will vote against it all. Then their records are smeared when they're up for re election and people fall for it. If we don't stay united there really isn't any hope. No doubt this is making many freepers gleeful.

[donsu]

20. it's over - the criminal bushgang is in charge of everything

civil disobedience will gain us nothing.

this is not the 60's - protests won't work.

if you think you are going to protest the inauguration think again.

no one will even get into D.C. without taking a blood oath for smirk.

they plan on having cops 6 ft. apart on the parade route, for starters.

we need to fight for our country like the Iraqis and Palestinians are.

america has been invaded and occupied by a gang of criminals who used religiously insane americans as a front.

[Senior citizen]

21. The Greens have principles.

I was told in another thread that the Democrats have to be pragmatic and their platform must be palatable to a majority of voters.

My astute (I get there once in a while) response was that the pukes do a great job of what Chomsky calls manufacturing consent, and then the Dems go out and ask what people are consenting to, so that they can accommodate their platform to it.

Well, one is never supposed to make comparisons with Nazi Germany, but I will anyhow. At the time that a majority of Germans supported Hitler, who would you have been--someone who took a good look around and raised your hand in a pragmatic Seig Heil, or someone who said that fascism was wrong and I'm going to oppose it or die trying?

In an age of mass right-wing-media-manufactured consent, I intend to keep the TV off and continue listening to my conscience. If a majority of Americans support the Iraq war, and I don't, does that mean I'm not a good American, or does it mean that I do not support unjust wars? People of conscience may be in the minority, but we cannot be swayed by a moran majority. And sometimes, not very often and usually very late in the game, the majority joins us. It happened with Viet Nam. It isn't that most people don't have a conscience, just that they often don't listen to it because it is drowned out by the mass media and the maddening mobs.

[WHAT]

22. turn-off the television...

talk to your neighbor...

people want to be friends with each other, and work better in small groups, even the cantankerous ones

small groups of unity are more powerful than gangly, inept connections duct-taped together by "social engineers".