Sign the Petition to make Howard Dean DNC Chair

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http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/deanfordnc

I was very happy to hear the news that he is considering this! Edit: Through Steve Grossmans account, not his mouth, admittedly, but no denial either... ;)

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[lakeguy]

1. done! nt

[seraph]

2. done @ sent to 5 friends. (nt)

[blueblitzkrieg]

3. Signed!! nt

[ProudToBeLiberal]

4. can you tell me where dean said he is considering this? thanks :) nt

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6. Link:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20041108/ap_on_re_us/dean_dnc_1

Edit: It was Steve Grossman saying that's what Dean told him, but it's enough to get me excited about it, heh.

[Zensea]

11. Actually Dean has not said -- it's hearsay

"He told me he was thinking about it," Steve Grossman, himself a former chairman of the Democratic National Committee (news - web sites), said Monday. Grossman was a Dean backer during the former Vermont governor's failed presidential bid.



Dean was traveling Monday in New York and unavailable for comment. His spokeswoman, Laura Gross, said "it was far too early to be speculating on that. The election was less than a week ago."

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So who is Steve Grossman? Look at what post 20 in this thread says--
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x970706#970755

"I advise caution here. Grossman defected from Dean the day before WI
Very publicly to Kerry. He was a campaign manager,and he left the day before WI.
I would say to read Laura Gross's quote and take it seriously.
Grossman lost a lot of credibility when he did that. It was very harmful to Dean. It was a rotten thing to do.
That said, I don't much care either way. I just don't trust Grossman."

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14. Laura Gross didn't outright deny it either...

Which would have been easy enough. It sounds like he doesn't want to go on a public campaign for it is all, at this point.

This petition was up before this story came out, anyways, and I was pimping it on it's own merit!

[daharyn]

5. done and forwarded n/t

[acmavm]

7. Now THIS is where Howard Dean would shine. He energized the

dems early in the election, he'd kick some serious cowardly dem ass as the leader of the party.

[Pastiche423]

8. I hope he turns down the position

if it's offered.

He is needed and can do more elsewhere.

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10. I disagree

If this party is going to have any future, we have to change from within as well as without.

It's not going to change with the same old hacks running the show, is it?

[The Messenger]

9. There is no one else

who has the confidence of the Democratic wing of the Democratic Party.

[a new day]

12. Done, sent invitation to 200 known Deaniacs n/t

[kispoko]

13. well.....

i made an entire thread on this matter before, and it didn't go too far, which makes me wonder how progressive some of you *really* are....

as governor of vermont, howard dean's policy toward the abenaki there was simply one of genocide maintenance. why in the hell would any supposed liberal want that representing them? haven't we had enough of that democrats acting like republicans shit?


i of course got accused of being a freeper and the like for bringing that matter to attention, until someone else brought up posts of mine from before demonstrating support for dean (i didn't have a donor star at the time and couldn't look stuff up), which i did during the primaries, until i learned of what he'd done in his capacity as governor.

disgusting. i felt betrayed.


so i changed my thoughts to reflect my ideals..... can't some of you do the same? howard dean is no liberal.

i'd rather have wes clark, someone not too pussy to say they're liberal, as head. if we chose dean, we lost the moral and ethical authority. let some of you downplay what dean did in vermont, and what it means..... some of us understand full and well what it's amounted to elsewhere, and what it's meant.


if you think putting another moderate asshole in there is gonna change things, you remind me of people who think 4 more years of bush will be different somehow, too.

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16. Dean isn't a "moderate asshole"

He is moderate but he has the right ideas about changing the direction of this party and he has the balls to do it.

He is million times better than the usual hacks that get this fucking job.

I'm a hardcore Clarkie and this isn't the right job for Wes. At all.

But thanks for dragging him into your slam against Dean, now we can start some more refighting of the primaries again.

[kispoko]

18. heh

if you don't think what dean did in vermont qualifies him as an asshole, i really can't help you.

maybe you don't know what all went on in vermont. maybe you should be doing less talking then, and supporting of certain things.


fucking with natives seems to be the last bastion of acceptable racism..... but why should it be so in the democratic party? shit, aren't we supposed to be better than they? well how the hell does putting dean on a perch show that?

i despise that motherfucker. i'd probably spit on him before i shook his hand..... and some of you seem to want to deify him or something. for what? he'll get his for what he did to the wabenaki people, and it can't come too soon. i definitely don't want to put someone like that in a position that embodies a spirit of reaching out and defending especially minority and disenfranchised groups, to mirror democratic party values. why do you? or just be honest if natives don't matter to you. you can't have it both ways though.

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19. He fought against the Abenaki getting federal recognition

And from what I remember it got very nasty.

Calling this "genocide maintenance" is more than a little fucking extreme.

And before you start calling me a racist, I will tell you now that is a physical impossibility.

Nobody said Dean is perfect, but he is the best choice for this job.

Call me when you find the perfect politician.

[kispoko]

21. well again, heh.....

-"He fought against the Abenaki getting federal recognition"
Posted by incapsulated

And from what I remember it got very nasty.


why should it not? one of the methods he used to achieve this goal was the old standard of finding a "treaty chief" to negotiate with, when they had no authority to do so, and he knew that.

talk about fucking underhanded.....


-Calling this "genocide maintenance" is more than a little fucking extreme.


no, not recognizing the continued suppression of abenaki autonomy and self-determination, as maintenance of prior genocidal policy(ies) which implemented that standard to kill their nation, is more than a little fucking extreme, and more than a little fucking right-wing.


now, should we need to, i'd be happy to pull out some lemkin and genocide convention definitions of such, and, we'll see what was being maintained, and what wasn't.....

but i am absolutely tired of these things being glossed over, and not seen for what they truly are. among supposed progressives, it's even more disturbing, because i must wonder if the movement is as far along as i imagined when thought like that, more congruent with conservative ideals and philosophy, is pervasive and unchallenged.


-And before you start calling me a racist, I will tell you now that is a physical impossibility.

i don't think you're a racist, but i also don't think you have a true appreciation for the situation being discussed.....

it's not that i'd expect you to, only, to be more open to considering its full weight, and you seem more concerned with the public image of dr. dean than you do with that..... if nothing, you must also realize how this will look to people. republicans don't, and then wonder why all the groups they've offended don't wanna play in their sandbox..... would you like to see democrats scratching their heads like that wondering what they've done to piss off the natives?



-Nobody said Dean is perfect, but he is the best choice for this job.

if that's true, then the democratic party is in a sorrier state than imagined.....

enough with the moderates, enough with the assholes, and especially, like i said before, the moderate assholes.


-Call me when you find the perfect politician.

call me when you find one whose imperfections don't include maintaining colonialism and its ugly characteristics on an area's aboriginals.

[Raiden]

15. Done!!

It's the least I can do for the man who made me proud to be a Democrat again.


Here is the comment I left:

The time has come for a change in the Democratic Party. The 2004 election showed us that we cannot be successful by trying to be Republican-lite. Howard Dean led a strong grassroots campaign in the Democratic primaries and transformed the current political landscape. I put my trust fully behind the good doctor. He is a man of principle and virtue who has stood up time and time again for core Progressive values. After the damage done to our party by the DLC leadership (which has incidentally lost two straight presidential races and numerous local and federal elections)we need a person of honor and integrity to lead us through this difficult time. We owe it to Howard Dean. He made us proud to be Democrats again. He gave this party a backbone again. It is time to give up this DLC strategy which is marginalizing our base and destroying our party. We need to return to our progressive roots if we want to win any more elections. This is perhaps the most dire moment in the modern history of our party, and I am sure that Howard Dean can lead us through with flying colors. Thank you for this time.

[seraph]

17. KICK : This is real folks.

Dean Ponders Bid to Become DNC Chairman

By CHRISTOPHER GRAFF, Associated Press Writer

MONTPELIER, Vt. - Former presidential candidate Howard Dean is considering a bid to become chairman of the national Democratic Party.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20041108/ap_on_re_us/dean_dnc_1



DON'T FORGET TO RATE UP!:kick:

[SCRUBDASHRUB]

20. Done.

[npincus]

22. did it- thanks!

I will email this link to friends.

[in_cog_ni_to]

23. signed n/t

[OffWithTheirHeads]

24. signed, sent and forwarded

[LiberalTechie1337]

25. I signed