At tonight's Dem Club meeting, should I point out the futility of strategy

[Ladyhawk]

I believe fraud was committed against us and that nothing we do matters if we don't get rid of the fucking voting machines.

How welcome will my comments be? I'll leave out the swearing...or try to.

[DoBotherMe]

1. Yes, that's the conundrum

and why I can't listen to discussions on Air America about what we did or didn't do or what we need to do. If the election is fixed, no amount of message or electability strategy will make any difference.

[Webster Green]

2. Some sort of strategy is required.....

Maybe focus on getting a national standard for machines with paper trails in place for a return to fair elections someday.

Short of that the only other options are to leave the country or take up arms and throw the fuckers out of the white house.

[sandnsea]

3. We lost 2% in California

AR, IA, and a host of other states. Barack Obama managed to win Illinois with a message of "Iraq may have been the wrong war, but it's America's war now and we have to succeed." Why'd it work in Illinois but the rest of America's Democrats didn't understand? That's my plan for my meeting tonight. In response to everybody else who I know is going to be harping on voter fraud and ignoring the rest of the picture.

[JNelson6563]

11. I'd hardly credit Obama's message

on the war. He was up against Alan Keyes for bob's sake!

Get real.

Julie

[sandnsea]

14. Bush is Alan Keyes

You think Bush isn't as big a boob as Alan Keyes? It should have been just as easy to beat Bush. I wasn't saying that was Obama's winning message, but that he didn't have to be anti-war to win. Like so many around insisted on and are still insisting on.

[RyomaSakamoto]

4. it really boils down to that single issue

and it should be BIPARTISAN so why all the hesitancy :shrug:

anyways, smile... everything you do, smile and tell the TRUTH :toast:

[Lost Creek]

9. I see two issues.

BBV'ing is one. The PIPA study results are just as disturbing.

[RyomaSakamoto]

13. there are many but the sanctity of the vote comes before all the others

CONVICTION and standing WITH the PEOPLE will will help them with their perception campaign but even the best marketeer in the world won't help if the fix is in.

[saracat]

5. Let them know. But be prepared that a lot of them will be content

to roll over and will treat you like you are wearing a tinfoil hat. Many Dems now think their answer, thanks to Clinton and the DLC, is to reach out to the "religious" and go further right. I think that would be a disaster. But nothing matters if these machines can't be fixed! They don't get they we may never elect another candidate again. They didn't think this was important before the election and they don't really think so now.

[Me.]

6. Would You Also Mind Telling Them?

That as far as I'm concerned hell will have to freeze over before I'll vote for Kerry again? I don't appreciate for one minute the way he dumped us and walked away.

[splat]

7. My suggestion

Facts are fine, updates on what you've learned here. try to avoid creating a plausible story.

(But history may laugh at how you thought it would come out. Try to keep your options open. Life is full of surprises.)

Let them mull and draw their own conclusions.

Let the gravity of the problem sink in.

And building for the future's not a bad idea, if they're that sort.

I try to live in the present.

[Ladyhawk]

8. Living in the present...

I've totally lost sight of that lately. All I can think of is how I can't stand to live another four years in BushCo. :(

[merh]

10. If the election was fixed (as we all know it was) then why

focus on what to fix - we were the winning party, John Kerry Won, his platform, our platform was what the people voted to have implemented in 2005.

Why can't the DNC get that?

[Eloriel]

12. Talk up the Nader Recount -- PLEASE

The Nader NH Recount is ON !!!!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2655045
Originally posted here (read down):
Anyone know the status of the Nader recount?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=203&topic_id=34784#34935