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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 07:30 AM
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does God give people tracts of land?
"this land is mine, God gave this land to me, God gave, this precious land to me"......exodus

did god give north america to the white man? it seems so. manifest destiny it was called then, pre-emptive action and regime change is what we call it now. did god give a tract of land to the jews thousands of years ago? where's the deed? is that legally binding after so long? does god decide who shall move off a certain tract of land and who shall inherit it? apparently.

why didn't wise god give EVERYONE their OWN tract of land, instead of making us poor mortals fight over it all the time in His holy name?
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DebJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 07:37 AM
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1. because He gave All the land to All of us to use communaly
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 07:42 AM
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2. And the greedy SOB's want to take it all.
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Dufaeth Donating Member (764 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 08:12 AM
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3. According to 700 club last night:
"everyone has there place" At first I thought meant metaphorically, or in the kingdom of god or somesuch, but she specified she was talking about "land."
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Shoeempress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 08:16 AM
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4. Using the Biblical justification, God gave North America to the Indians
and we stole it from them. Actually, using any justification, we stole it.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 09:35 AM
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5. The serious answer:
The land shall not be sold forever; for the land is mine; for ye are strangers and sojourners with me.
-Leviticus 25:23 (The Handbook of the Priests)


The Earth is the Lord's, and its fullness thereof, the world and those who dwell therein.
-Psalm 24
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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 09:41 AM
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6. no, really, the immigrants beleived Native Americans were not
descended from the 12 tribes of Israel. What they based this on I have no idea. The also believed the same of Africans. Since they beleived all human life had been destroyed in the flood, they regarded these "races" as not human, and therefore animal and therefore saw it okay to place them under dominion, as in "God gave man dominion over the animals", and felt free to murder them and enslave them as based on biblical teachings. For real.
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Squeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 09:52 AM
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10. The whole human race is descended from Noah
He had three sons, Ham, Shem, and Japheth.

Apparently he drank more than was good for him, and one night on the ark he got especially boisterous. One of his sons, I think Ham, got in his face about it, thereby breaking the commandment about honoring one's father and mother. His punishment was that his descendents were going to have to be subservient to the other two sons' descendents. The people who believe this say that the humans with excess melanin are the sons of Ham, and it is God's will that white people should hold dominion over them.

There were Colonial preachers who claimed that redskins were spawn of Satan, on the evidence of their skin color, but that was not as widely held a viewpoint as the notion of black people's inherent unfitness for self-determination.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 10:11 AM
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11. Actually very few
believed in the 12 Lost Tribes as an explanation. Just as many believed in the Indians being from Atlantis or the Island of Mu, which are just as scientific, eh?

We have been, not surprisingly, lied to from primary school on. At the time of Columbus, the "scientists" of the day knew the world was not flat; they just did not appreciate the full implications of that. We are also not told that Columbus had promised the riches to be gained (by finding a shorter trade route to the Far East) were to be used to finance a war against the Muslim world.

But I am wandering as far off course as Columbus!

The single best book on the early people of America is Gary Nash's "Red, White, and Black." (1974; Prentice Hall) He notes on pages 317-8: "Even hard-bitten, unsentimental colonists often recognized that Indian society, though by no means without its problems and its own disreputable characters, put white society to shame. .... Throughout the colonial period European observers stood in awe of the central Indian traits of hospitality, generosity, bravery, and the spirit of mutual caring. Indians seemed to embody these Christian virtues almost without effort in a corner of the earth where Europeans, attempting to build a society with similar characteristics, were being pulled in the opposite direction by the natural abndance around them -- toward individualism, disputatiousness, aggrandizement of wealth, and explotation of other humans."

Take note of this from Pennsylvania missionary John Heckewelder in 1643: "Whatevcer liveth on the land, whatsoever groweth out of the earth, and all that is in the rivers and waters flowing through the same, was given jointly to all, and everyone is entitled to his share. From this principle, hospitality flows from its source. With them it is not a virtue, but a strict duty. Hence they never are in search of excuses to avoid giving, but freely supply their neighbor's wants from the stock prepared for their own use. They give and are hospitable to all, without exception, and will always share with others and often with strangers, even to their last morsel. They would rather lie down themselves on an empty stomach, than to have it laid to their charge that they had neglected their duty, by not satisfying the wants of a stranger, the sick, or the needy."(Hecckewelder; Accounts of... the Indian Nations, Who Once Inhabited Pennsylvannia...; A.P.S.; 1819;pg 85)

I think from even this brief look at what the Euro-Americans encountered, we would agree with Nash that "these Indian virtues came far closer to the precepts of Christianity than most colonists found it comfortable to admit." (pg 319) Hence it was necessary for the church (!) to teach an outright lie -- the 12 Lost Tribes -- in order to justify the theft and killing that occured in the name of God. But even still, the 12 Lost Tribes was a minor "theory," though it has been handed down as a centuries-old excuse for genocide.
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tjwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 09:45 AM
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7. She's rich, she's beautiful....
...she's got huge................TRACTS OF LAND!

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HootieMcBoob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 09:47 AM
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8. that's where my mind went too
one of the funniest movies ever :)
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pantouflard Donating Member (184 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 02:35 PM
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12. To that I say, "Nih!"
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TX-RAT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 09:50 AM
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9. Funny, i haven't seen Gods name on any of the checks I've written.
He's had 25 yrs.
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