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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 08:34 AM
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It's a Question of Morals, eh?
Is it moral to run up a deficit that will be paid by the next generation?

Is it moral for any government to tell people how to live their life?

Is it moral to pollute the air and water?
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 08:36 AM
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1. Here are my thoughts.
Lengthy so I'll just post the link. Damn, I forgot to mention irresponsible spending. I'll have to edit that in.

http://www.unitarianminister.org/nov10.htm
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phaseolus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 08:44 AM
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2. the 'moral values' crowd is using the wrong word
Moral --

1. Of or concerned with the judgment of the goodness or badness of human action and character: moral scrutiny; a moral quandary.
2. Teaching or exhibiting goodness or correctness of character and behavior: a moral lesson.
3. Conforming to standards of what is right or just in behavior; virtuous: a moral life.
4. Arising from conscience or the sense of right and wrong: a moral obligation. ...
etc.

Moralistic --

1. Characterized by or displaying a concern with morality.
2. Marked by a narrow-minded morality.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=moral
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=moralistic
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StephanieMarie Donating Member (642 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 08:55 AM
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3. Check this out on "morals"
FRANK RICH
On 'Moral Values,' It's Blue in a Landslide There's only one problem with the storyline proclaiming that the country swung to the right on cultural issues in 2004. It is fiction.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/14/arts/14rich.html?th

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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 09:32 AM
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4. Excellent Piece - and pretty much confirms my idle speculation
<snip>

It's in the G.O.P.'s interest to pander to this far-right constituency - votes are votes - but you can be certain that a party joined at the hip to much of corporate America, Mr. Murdoch included, will take no action to curtail the blue culture these voters deplore. As Marshall Wittman, an independent-minded former associate of both Ralph Reed and John McCain, wrote before the election, "The only things the religious conservatives get are largely symbolic votes on proposals guaranteed to fail, such as the gay marriage constitutional amendment." That amendment has never had a prayer of rounding up the two-thirds majority needed for passage and still doesn't.

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Squeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 10:02 AM
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5. Morals, but for thee and not for me
It's all just a way to beat up constituencies that Stepford voters would never have common cause with anyway (except that their wives would lose all their favorite hairdressers).

But, the same way that Smirky's notion of sacrificing for the War on Terra meant "Go shopping," the Republican notion of morality never seems to preclude sin on the part of favored sinners. I'll believe otherwise when Rush Limbaugh broadcasts from the Betty Ford Center, William Bennett writes a book about confronting gambling addiction, and Henry Hyde remarries his first wife.

Meanwhile, us blue state types can be damned for preferring movies and books with actual sex in them, just because we like them to reflect real life, which has sex in it. (As does the Bible, but we've already established that these people blissfully edit out the parts they don't approve of, such as the Sermon on the Mount.)
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 10:12 AM
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6. The Democratic Party has always been the "moral" Party...
because we have defended the weakest against the strongest, the poor against the wealthy, the workers against big business, minorities against majorities, and we have done it in the context of equality and our Constitution. Sometimes we just forget tot remind people.
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Strawman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 10:42 AM
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7. Those conservatives who spout about "morals"
Edited on Thu Nov-11-04 11:01 AM by Strawman
remind me of alot of people when I was a kid in Catholic school (back when I used to attend chruch) who made a point of letting everyone know that they never missed church. It's just another way to feel superior to others. There's no compassion or caring in this "morality" we're hearing about. Just judgement and a way for people who have nothing positive going on in their lives to affirm themselves by tearing others down. Tear down gays. Tear down elite liberals with their learning and degrees. Tear down anyone who actually has a healthy sex life that they enjoy.
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Jackie97 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 12:33 PM
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8. No, it's not moral.
I think it's high time that we started doing to them what they've been doing to us.

They won this election based on some false idea that they were moral and that we're not. Now, THAT'S immoral. It's time to fight back.
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