When Abortion Becomes Illegal

[Yavin4]

Get use to stories like these:

http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/11/11/child.in.trash.ap/index.html

Okay, so where were all of these moralists to adopt and take care of this poor child. Where were they?

[XanaDUer]

1. This child was already born

we don't care about them.

But if the mother had had a miscarriage-then we should launch an investigation into if she did anything to cause it.

[calico1]

2. Abortion rights foes

are not about taking care of needy children. They never have been. What they are about is teaching us "womenfolk" our proper place in society, controlling us and making sure we don't get too many ideas about being independent. :mad:

[CrispyQ]

16. You hit the nail on the head, Calico! eom

[liberalnurse]

3. We will see doctors, nurses, and women

being halled off to jail on a daily basis.....Maybe this will be good PR for our cause?.......It will be an obvious police state.

[Booster]

8. And along with them, I want parents, boyfriends and friends

of the woman hauled off to jail also as accomplices to a crime. If anybody wants to put a stop to this insanity then it should be treated like any other crime. If the woman confides in ANYBODY and they do not turn her in, then they are accomplices to the crime. Period.

[Xipe Totec]

4. The right to life begins at conception

and ends at birth...

Compassionate Conservatism means using compassion sparingly.

[Sequoia]

5. This is so not right. She should go to jail for a lot longer.

I don't feel sorry for her sorry butt. Breakdown, too bad you old sock.

[cornermouse]

9. How many severely disabled children have you ever

tried to work with? Maybe you should try it, you might learn something.

[lastliberalintexas]

11. The little girl was already dead

And at least according to the article, died of natural causes. I didn't see anything indicating that the woman acted in any manner to harm the child while she was living.

What she did was awful, but this isn't the typical LIVE baby in a dumpster story.

[cally]

24. I don't think it was awful

The child died of natural consequences. "WE' have a problem with dead bodies. It's not awful to deal with death in your own way.

[cornermouse]

6. Three disabled children, one of which had cerebral palsy,

diabetes, lesions on the brain, was blind. That one that died should not have been placed in a home with any other disabled children, maybe not any other children period. Do you have any idea of the amount of care, probably some specialized, that child undoubtedly required? Even with help, it would be very difficult.

BTW, the majority of the moralists don't want to adopt disabled children. Although they would never admit it, most of them think that if you have a disabled child, its a sign that you did something very wrong and your "sins" have come home to roost.

[Not_Giving_Up]

7. This child was in foster care for a reason

Of course, we don't know what the reason is, but it could have been that the birth mother was not equipped to deal with a child, let alone a child with disabilities. Maybe due to a relgious conviction that has been pounded into her head her entire life, she chose not to have an abortion, instead giving up the child to give her a "better life".

If you make abortion illegal, you'd darn well better have a plan in place to deal with all of the children that the mothers cannot deal with.

[jdots]

18. A few months ago someone posted on an art site....

" all women who have had abortions shoud be murdered " this was a quote artist male in thier 20s.When abortion was illegal in the 60s,the anti abortion droids never even knew the word abortion unless someone they knew had a child or was forced to go through the illegal means of finding one which was for the rich a trip to Europe and the rest took some very bad chances.
Something frightening has happened in this country in 30 years,some rights were fought for with lives and now these sub humans are taking those rights away under the guise of religious freedom.Racism is back in a big way,and they probably have found something in thier little book to rationalize that.
The sad part of all this is the fact that there are a very few people behind this all,no it's not the south,east,west,north,media or really anyone who is a radical right wing bible interpreter.It is not a conspiracy,just a few very evil people preying off bad econmic times they have helped to create.Why isn't it a conspiracy ? because these people's egos are to big for them to sit down and conspire together.It is obvious who these people are,it's just how we choose to deal deal with it.How do we do it with out sinking to thier level or rationaling killing other humans?
This is the answer we have to come up with,consider it human technology,if we don't believe it,we might as well waite for armagedon or the nice little green people to bail us out on this one.If we can go from whale oil lights to the Hubble telescope in a few hundred years,we should be able to come up with a Peace Department,and an end to slavery.This is a big ass job but we can do it,we built an atomic bomb in a very short time to end wars,we have to build the anti bomb now. SO HOW ????
First we learn the language to use for religious leaders and politicians to say the world isn't going to end,it's pretty simple,lanuage has been used to destroy not build.You might be the person that pulls this thing off.

[George_S]

10. Abortion on demand or pro-choice?

It is framed by the neocons as "abortion on demand." How many Dems agree with that? How many think a woman should go to nine months and then say, "Oops, I changed my mind. I don't feel like having a baby now." Then we get images of "partial birth abortions."

Feminists could take control of this issue if they define in an acceptable way when a fetus becomes a baby.

[nadinbrzezinski]

12. Abortion happens in the first 26 weeks mostly

the same goes for NATURALLY OCCURRING abortion.

This said, they don't want any compromise

They don't believe in compromiose

Defend the faetus screw the child, the "compasionate" stance

[George_S]

20. Only 22% voted on moral values

That leaves almost 30% you can work with.

Is there any consensus among feminists on if 26 weeks is too long or not? What is the optimum number of weeks?

[cornermouse]

13. Partial birth abortion.

Main Entry: an·en·ceph·a·ly
Pronunciation: "an-(")en-'se-f&-lE
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural -lies
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: congenital absence of all or a major part of the brain
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A reason for late term abortion to exist...

[George_S]

21. I understood Kerry's stance on this.

That the "partial birth abortion" ban didn't take into consideration the health of the mother or incest rape. However, the neocons framed it as "abortion on demand."

The feminists need to take control and define it instead.

[lastliberalintexas]

15. Give me a break

How many women do you think go almost 9 months and then just up and decide to have an abortion? That's just right wing propaganda my friend.

[George_S]

22. I'm not talking about what I think.

This is about the "abortion on demand" sound-byte. Everyone has heard that.

[Cheswick2.0]

25. Yeah, and Feminists need to define the issue.. why, is your tongue broken?

Women don't suddenly decide to have an abortion at 8 months for no reason. You know that, so you speak up.

[George_S]

28. My tongue isn't so broken that...

... I would type want I really want to type here.

Let's just stay away from each other and things will be fine.

[HuskerDem]

30. No need to be shy baby Q !

Tell us WHAT YOU THINK.......... unless you are ashamed of what you think.

[calico1]

17. Late-term abortions

account for 1.2% of all abortions performed. The typical cases involve situations where you can only save the mother's life or the fetus, but not both, or when a very severe birth defect is discovered such as an incomplete brain. Abortion rights foes want people to believe that doctors routinely perform abortions on women who change their minds in the 8th or 9th month but this in fact isn't true. Neither is the widespread practice of late term abortions.

[George_S]

23. So is there an optimum number of weeks?

And what if the feminists got together and helped Senator Feinstein write a bill that limits abortion at X weeks and allows early pregnancy testing and sex ed with a provision for emergencies like that?

Trump them, in other words, and get it the way you want it and off the table as a wedge issue. It shouldn't be too hard to come up with something you all think is right that would appeal to 60-70% of the population.

I'm not talking about compromise, but am talking about pushing legislation through that you believe in.

I don't claim to know what that would be.

It's like the "gay marriage" issue. The neocons have control of the spin on that.

[Cheswick2.0]

26. Why limit the number of weeks when we are talking about dead fetuses

and the lives of women? I think you are confused about the issue. Women only have those procedures when there is no other choice. A woman carrying a pregnancy that could kill her and you suggest we determine the number of weeks pregnant she can be to save her life or abandon a dead fetus?

[George_S]

29. No, I didn't mean to imply that.

I'm talking about a healthy pregnancy.

Never mind.

[HuskerDem]

31. Healthy for who? The fourteen year old who get knocked up by her uncle

was once doomed to be the creature scorned while the family who knew the truth allowed her to be shamed. How many committed suicide or went quietly insane? It happens now more than you think because we don't talk about that kind of thing in puritan America still.

The obsessive oppressors of this country will concede no territory in their efforts to conquer dominion over my womb. It's all about control. Is the womb my own? Or does it belong to the state?

[Not_Giving_Up]

34. Not too long ago, in the Houston area

There was a 14 year old girl who hid her dead baby in her band bag. Turns out her stepbrother was the father. I think she'd much rather have had an abortion, but was terrified of going through it alone, and scared to tell her parents. She's being tried for murder, the boy is being tried for sexual assault. Gag!

[HuskerDem]

35. She was raped by a sibling, she's up for murder

and he'll get by with "counseling". Sounds like Texas. I lived there for a couple years too.

[tjwash]

14. It's not going to happen.

Abortion legality is too much of a wedge issue, and a rallying point for the RR to the neo-cons for them to ever really want to make it illegal.

[Hippo_Tron]

27. It's gonna happen unless they appoint another Souter to the SCOTUS

Which I'm praying for at this point.

[bleedingheart]

19. Oh this one is even worse...and it was the kid's parents...

http://www.postgazette.com/pg/04316/410067.stm

"KITTANNING, Pa. -- Lawyers presented two very different pictures: A hardworking man who trusted his girlfriend to make decisions about their daughter, or a brutal, hard-hearted monster who allowed the 4-year-old to starve to death in the attic while he went about his daily chores."

he was found guilty today...so now they decide on death penalty or life..

[FDRrocks]

32. I think it'll just shift back to the alleyways....

Conservatives are so idealogically blind that they don't realize that they can't stop abortion. They can only make it more dangerous, which I don't think will be an effective deterrant.

[confrontationclaws]

33. Will they lower the age of majority

to 17.25? Will retirement age be 64.25? Once the law says that "life begins at conception" there's gonna be some other issues...

[genius]

36. If most women cared about their rights, there would have been a bigger

Kerry landslide. The red state women (where it will really become illegal) may get what they voted for. I just feel sorry for the teen-aged girls.