What Event Will It Take To Wake Up This Country?

[Greylyn58]

Or will anything ever wake this nation from it's self-imposed sleep?

Every day since Nov 2 it seems we hear of some new outrage by W and company so I wanted to ask...What do think will be the event or events that will cause this country to realize that W and his crowd haven't done anything to keep us safe or that they and their policies are killing us by inches?

At this point, I really don't know what it will take. I and everyone here can see what is happening. W and his crowd always find a way to place the blame on someone else's shoulders whenever they screw up. So I ask my fellow DUers...what do you think it will take?

I'd kinda like to know what ya'll think.

:shrug:

[independentpiney]

1. simulataneous attacks at 19 wal-marts? n/t

[natrat]

22. that made me laugh

people would not know what to do

[JohnOneillsMemory]

47. Careful. Bad joke. You'll create problems we don't want. Got enough!

Don't even kid about such things. Too many crazies both in civilian life and law-enforcement.

Even fodder for propaganda must be avoided.
I believe in free speech AND common sense during the rise of the Fourth.

[Glenda]

51. ROTFL!! n/t

[PROGRESSIVE1]

2. (GREAT DEPRESSION II)

That will change this country for the better in the long run.

[depakid]

6. Yep-

that or a greatly expanded war, a virulent pandemic or some major environmental catastophe.

Come to think of it. America's pretty much set itself up for the trifecta....

[Warpy]

17. It took Europe two world wars and a depression in between

to crack through their imperial smugness and feeling of divine right superiority.

It looks like the US is about to experience much the same. Some people in the world are openly talking about sanctions. Since the US has stupidly exported its manufacturing base, we will NOT be on the winning side in the next big war, and sanctions alone will cripple us.

So far, wishful thinking and hot air have supported much of the US economy, but they'll last only so long. If another idea to scam working people into taking on more debt doesn't come along, we are heading for at least a deep recession and possibly a depression.

Perhaps economic disaster will be enough to break through the smug superiority of the GOP god squad. I don't know. I just know what it's taken elsewhere, and it's overdue here.

[tedoll78]

19. bingo.

There is a pattern in the past 100 years of voting.

From 1900 to 1932, the GOP pretty much dominated.

Hoover endured the results of GOP fiscal policy, and the country swung to the Dems from 1932 to 1968 (even IKE wasn't all that conservative in many instances).

From 1968 to 1992, the GOP once again dominated. Carter was a Watergate-induced fluke.

In 1992, Clinton arrived and, once again, cleaned-up the GOP policy-induced mess. The People voted in 2000 to continue with "more intelligent policy," but the court saw fit to decide this itself.

Now, we're waiting for the next mess to come along so that we, once again, can clean-up after the elephants. People keep forgetting their GOP policy results history, and then repeating it.

Perhaps we can make a TV commercial outta this?

[democratreformed]

35. This is what I think too and I'm damn sure not looking forward to it.

I really think it's coming, though.

[sadinred]

3. I've been asking this since 9/11.

I was so hopeful that that terrible event years ago would wake us up. I did for little while. But then everyone just jumped on the backs of all those who were killed and screamed for blood. Bush has stood on the backs of all of us, making us feaful and blood thirsty since then. He's crazy.
I don't know what will wake us up. It seems like we're only "together" when we have another attacking us. Such a shame. I think it will take another attack on the US.

[rainy]

4. Taking personhood from the Corporation, taking back our media

no more corporate financing of campaigns. To make this happen we need to change campaign laws to favor 3rd party candidates. To make all of this come about I think maybe first we should see Bush tried in a world court for war crimes. Or at least face impeachment here for lying to congress and the people.

[eleny]

5. The draft

[HEyHEY]

45. yup

[leftofthedial]

7. cancellation of the new fall TV series? Or boiling the frog?

the neocons have planned and orchestrated this very carefully.

It's like the story about how to boil a frog. If you try to drop it in a pot of boiling water, it will jump out. But if you put it in a pot of room temperature water and gradually raise the heat, it will stay there and cook.

They are gradually raising the heat and most Murkans are too numb to notice.

They also distract us with bullshit incessantly.

[ObaMania]

11. "and most Murkans are too numb to notice"

1/2 of us aren't!

[leftofthedial]

34. the (roughly) half who don't vote, plus the "51%" who "voted" for

the little bushturd

have us outnumbered.

[checks-n-balances]

8. I'm not sure it will be a collective event

Probably a one-by-one realization by individuals that they've been had and that their futures are doomed under Bush policies. They go bankrupt, lose their civil liberties, lose a child in Iraq (or the next war W sends them to), etc.

If there's a Great Depression II it will hit almost all of us, but if not, it will be individuals waking up - hopefully before the next election, if it's not stolen.

[ObaMania]

9. Another * cabal orchestrated attack on it's own citizens.

.. that'd do it!

People ain't that dumb (I hope!)

[SmokingJacket]

36. I think that would give GW an excuse to ramp up the "war"

Before the election I agreed with you. Now, I think people would just go back into that rah-rah post 9-11 mode again.

Call me cynical.

[Jade Fox]

10. Reliable sources of information......

In other words, media reform.

[Castilleja]

25. That is probably the only definitive thing that would do it,

short of the whole bush clan up on a stage, on breaking news admitting everything with pictures to demonstrate.

[Ardee]

12. Wrong question

This nation is far from asleep.....The far right is active day and night, the boardrooms are meeting way into the night planning how to wrest another few cents from our diminishing resources, our military is busy night and day, some fighting "terrorists" some torturing "terrorists". The administration is overbooked handing out largesse to its supporters, plotting new and more devious ways to destroy our air, water, educatory systems and retirement opportunities.

Hell that seems like a pretty busy nation to me......Oh you meant the electorate didn't you? I would guess that they turned out in record numbers for some reason....12 million more voters this year than four years earlier. That 8 million of these voted for Bush while 4 million went for Kerry highlights the real question.......

What will it take?....my answer would be a restoration of the Democratic Party to its roots, an ousting of the neoconservative leadership that has piloted the ship onto the reefs in two national elections now, a clear and concise message that separates that party from its counterpart across the aisle, an appeal to the REAL values that this nation once cherished and now has forgotten because the Democrats have failed for many years to cite them, espouse them, stand up for them!

[tuvor]

13. Whatever it is, it better not interrupt CSI. n/t

[signmike]

20. Amen, Brother!

That damned Petersen verdict preempted "Judge Milian" and took a nick out of "Cops", too. Where are their priorities?

[The Zanti Regent]

14. A SERIOUS secession movement!

I'm ready to work with others to take California OUT of the U.S.S.A.

I've seen the map of the United States of Canada and Jesusland, let all the states that voted for Kerry do that and stick Jesusland with all the debt. Let's see those assholes pray their way out of that.

F America, it's time for California to lead the way and file for divocrce from Tom De Lay!

[Menshevik]

18. Agreed

first we need to overthrow our dumbass governor and then get the hell out of the union

[lynintenn]

15. another terrorist attck like 9/11

[tedoll78]

24. I wonder how we'd react.

Would America rally around him again?

My real question, though, is this:
given that BLUE America will be the ones bearing the brunt of the attack, how will THEY react?

Will they curse Dubya's & RED America's arrogant claims of an ability to protect them?
Or will they cry for the camera again, destined to repeat 2001-2004?

[durablend]

32. How "they'd" react

Blue state would get hit and feel the pain.

Red states would tell them (us) to shut the fuck up and that "you got what you deserved" (that you didn't vote for *).

I don't think the world's reaction is going to be the bigger issue...it's going to be the red/blue divide this time.

[tedoll78]

33. That's what I suspect.

In which case, the big question would turn-into: Would the media actually cover the reaction?

[DustMolecule]

16. A lot of people must *feel* PERSONALLY affected...

...most/all people are affected, they just don't FEEL it yet - personally.

I'm reminded of something my father used to say:

What's the difference between a recession and a depression? When your neighbor loses his job, it's a recession. When you lose YOUR job, it's a depression.

[Cat Atomic]

21. Nothing short of another Great Depression. A Draft won't do it.

I think we're likely to get both with W, so... hooray?

But even a depression wouldn't necessarily wake people up the way you'd like. It could spawn another Nazi movement, or another another New Deal.

[tom_paine]

23. When BushPutinist Rule starts to have an obvious effect on daily life

Still a long time away (I hope).

[natrat]

31. the amurikan species has evolved

with no natural predators and is now fat and stupid. I think they would follow *ushco down a rat hole even knowing it was there doom. Unable to think for themselves they/we are doomed for generations at least.

[JAbuchan08]

26. A wholesale nuclear holocaust

people will be like "Wow, Bush is an idiot" for about, what, five seconds? BTW I used to say nuculer. Just a little fact for all y'all out there.

[signmike]

27. Nothing. There's No Hope

The theft of the 2000 election and the first 100 days of The Chimp's Regime hasn't done it - nothing will. Half the country, or more, is brain dead.

[judy]

28. I may be naive, but I am hoping that some disgruntled "purged"

former CIA employees will come out and blow the whistle on 9/11.

Somewhere, it seems so unfair that they were blamed for the lack of action to prevent the attack, plus the Plame scandal, I hope they won't take it lying down, that they have enough solid proof to present, and that they will stick together as a group.

LIHOP, or maybe even MIHOP, will be exposed. That's my hope.
People will be in a state of disbelief, but so were the Europeans when they were told that the Nazis were actually exterminating the Jews in the concentration camps.
Until they couldn't deny it anymore...

[neohippie]

29. Kill your television --- Watch the new A Perfect Circle video

We need those special sunglasses like in the Rowdy Piper scifi movie "They Live"

Or maybe just get everyone to listen to the new A Perfect Circle Album "eMOTIVe"

Just watch the video for Counting Bodies Like Sheep
http://www.aperfectcircle.com/bodies.html

[magnolia]

30. The truth revealed.

Not in little dribs and drabs that the administration and media can systematically debunk...but in one big chunk of evidence presented to the FBI. So that when we see it...it will be in the form of Dan Rather breaking into our soap opera in the middle of the day with a newsbreak: "FBI indicts Jeb Bush for voter fraud...." video of Jeb being hauled away in handcuffs. That's what it will take. Presentation is everything.

Or...George takes Laura fishing...comes back alone...dyes his hair blonde..sorry...bad joke.

[meow2u3]

37. A foreign invasion

Particularly from a coalition of European countries....Europe would invade the US to liberate us from Shrub and the neocon crazies....

[ronnykmarshall]

38. God returns!

As in GODzilla!



Everybody DANCE!



I got your 1 million for studio apartment in Manhattan right HERE!




Whatcha talkin' 'bout Rodan?

[Lost Creek]

39. Z'Z'Z'Z'Z'Z'Z'Z YAWN Z'Z'Z'Z'Z'

I do not know - but
if what we are seeing now is not working i fear find out what will

[mtnsnake]

40. A juicy scandal that leads to impeachment & prison for the chimp!

I think the only thing that would wake up the ignorant half of the country would be for them to see with their own two eyes what we've known about him all along, that he's a lying crook who's only out for himself and a few of his elite friends. It would take a scandal to wake them up.

[babylonsister]

46. I thought starting

an unprovoked war would be scandal enough! :shrug:

[FizzFuzz]

49. one would think, but....

as we can see, what went into that is too complicated. Too many dots to connect, too much room for spin, etc. etc

I think the only thing would be pictures of Bush and others caught in something simplistic and on a sensationalistic TV mental level that simple moralistic minds can understand. Like a sex scandal. Or photos of Bush smoking crack in a basement. Something that there is no choice for them other than, "we're busted"

[barb162]

62. and since we know he will never be impeached because the

pugs own congress, this won't work will it.

[Zorra]

41. Defeat by worldwide military forces allied against Bu$h and the PNAC.

That's what it took to wake up the Germans in WWII.

[DivinBreuvage]

42. Soviet Army in Berlin

or the equivalent; and even then 33% of the population will still believe Bush was good and noble.

[shanti]

43. when they start rounding people up

and put them in concentration camps.


oh wait....

[69KV]

44. Only three things

1. Another Great Depression
or
2. Another Civil War
or
3. Another American Revolution

Those seem to be the only things that have the ability to wake up the sheeple. If 4 years of the Bush regime couldn't do it...

[Cleita]

48. I think we are going to see more and more civil dissent and unrest, maybe

even erupting into civil war. Our Canadaland map made the Los Angeles Times. They erased the Jesusland label, but it was the same map accompanying an article about secession of the blue states. It seems to be spreading as more than a joke.

[deadparrot]

50. A lot of people hurt personally, which sucks.

For many people, and many Americans, we have to be hurt persoanlly before we turn on something. Notice that the 9/11 widows, many of whom voted for * in 2000, had to lose their loved ones before waking up to the destruction that is going on.

I wish half of America would get a brain and wake the hell up before some mind-blowing catastrophe happens on *'s watch.

[journalist3072]

52. Wake Up!

You pose a very good question. I don't know what it will take to wake this country up. I think we need to press the point home that you have many people voting against their own best interests. You have a lot of people who were either unemployed, or who saw their income decrease, who voted for Bush. So they voted against their own best interests.

And here is anothe problem I see. You have a lot of uneducated voters in this country; people who just vote without really knowing the issues. And an uneducated voter is a very dangerous thing.

One of my friends voted for Bush. And I had spent the past few months before the election, trying to determine why she was voting for Bush, and trying to educate her on the issues. And one day I asked her "What has Bush done, that you agree with? What policies has he espoused that you agree with?" I was incredulous when she responed "I don't know. I just know I like what the past 4 years have been like." So I said "You like increased deficits, rising unemployment, etc?" Then I challenged her further. I asked her to name me three issues from the Republican Party Platform that she agreed with. She told me she had not read the GOP platform. I said "You don't know what's in your own Party's platform, and you are so gung ho for them?" So then I asked her what her signature issue was; I asked her what did she feel was one of the most important issues of the day. She said education. So I asked her if she was aware that her President was underfunding the No Child Left Behind Act.

So in short, I think the problem is that many voters don't take the time to read up on the issues. They get their information in 30-second sounbites, and don't do any research to see if what they heard is the truth. It's really sad.

I think too many people identify with Bush, because he doesn't like to read, and doesn't like to get into nuances. And many people are just like that.

[Thoth]

55. The dumbing down of America - n/t

[BiggJawn]

53. Take their Cable Teeee-Veeee away from them.

Only THEN will the Murkan Sheeple wake up and realize that's shit crusted on the blade guard of their fan...

[RedTail Wolf]

54. March on Washington, at least a million strong

If we could somehow pull this off and demand that Bush stop ruining OUR country, it would be a huge step to start opening people's eyes.

Be blessed
RedTail Wolf

[FizzFuzz]

58. are you kidding??

We DID that already....The March for Women's Lives, in D.C., Last March.

Pretty much ignored by most American media.....it was the largest march ever in the history of US. Over a million people.

Didn't work.

[Neoma]

56. Technically we are already in

Great Depression 2

that wakes up some people acutually...

[cassiepriam]

57. Nothing will do it........it will have to come from inner circle?

At this point, nothing could happen that will wake up the
american people. They are in sleep walk mode. The demise
will have to come from inside, from internal meltdown,
from inner circle foes.

[magnolia]

59. You are absolutely right.

Nixon didn't resign because Democrats had convinced Republicans that he was a bad president. In the end, it was Nixon who turned Republicans against him.

In the same way, no Republican ever convinced a Democrat that Clinton was bad...it was Clinton's actions that turned Democrats against him.

I love Bill Clinton, but I new his weakness, so although his actions were wrong...it didn't change my feelings for him as president. My sister, on the other hand, was so disappointed that she immediately became a Republican and to this day is a Bush-loving, born again Christian, freeper-type right-winger.

We need to stop being so scattered and focus on strenghtening our party. Give Bush enough rope (re-election) and he will surely hang himself. When that happens, let's be ready to swoop down and grab our democracy back.

[Greylyn58]

63. I Have To Agree With You

It will have to take Bush or one of his inner circle to finally do or say something that will bring him down. I believe at the rate they are proceeding in their mad grab for power, that it will happen in about 2 years.

I think by that time, Bush or maybe one of the inner circle will have pushed his so-called "Mandate" too far and the "House of Bush" will come crumbling down. Absolute power corrupts, absolutely

And as you said, the Democrats need to be ready to swoop in and clean up the mess. Because by that time I'm afraid we will be in a mess...one that will probably take years to clean up. I just pray that the damage isn't permanent.

[nonconformist]

60. Nothing short of something so dramatic it changes the day to day life

For the VAST majority of Americans.

Think police state/martial law situation. Concentration camps. Great Depression part Deux - with bread lines. Entertainment blackout.

I really don't see anything short of something like that waking up most of them. It will have to affect their daily lives directly.

The general populace would use another act of terrorism here as an excuse to go to more wars (ie: carpet bomb the Middle East). Even without terrorism, they'd justify more wars somehow. I'm not even sure a draft would wake up some of these people at this point.

[barb162]

61. nothing, including another depression or a 9-11 will work

the fundies will just go deeper in prayer and listen to their ministers even more. I think we are on a downward slope now and nothing will stop it. On 11/2 the fundies and other idiots who voted for Bush had their chance to correct problems facing this country. I don't think this country can withstand another 4 years of this.