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Joylaughter Donating Member (498 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 11:38 PM
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I wish John Kerry would report for duty already.
I feel like we've been had. BIG time.
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 11:41 PM
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1. He Already Did. More Than 481 Times. n/t
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Joylaughter Donating Member (498 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 11:43 PM
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2. This is his duty now n/t
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 11:45 PM
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3. So, How's YOUR Duty Doing? n/t
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Joylaughter Donating Member (498 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 11:46 PM
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5. Well thank you
I voted and work and meet my obligations and keep my word. John Kerry promised to fight for every vote to be counted and he just walked away with people still standing in line.
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 11:49 PM
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6. I Think He's Done More Than You and Me Put Together n/t
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journalist3072 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 11:46 PM
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4. John Kerry's letter
I received a letter from John Kerry in the mail the other day. Did anyone else receive it? He started it off by saying there was no denying the pain....that the results of the election hurt badly. But he appreciated everyone's efforts, and together we will continue to make a change in this country. I'm on the DNC's mailing list, so I received it.
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Joylaughter Donating Member (498 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 11:50 PM
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7. I was one of JK's biggest fans
and supporters and worked my ass off for him and contributed time and money. Sorry about the pain, John. Your country needs you. You made a committment to the voters. The votes are in question. It is possible that you actually won. But you walk away and leave the world in the hands of, in your words, "the most reckless, incompetent, bunch of crooked liars." No. Sorry. We've been had.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 11:51 PM
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9. That's your opinion. Now stop whining and keep working.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 11:50 PM
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8. I got one, too.
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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 11:52 PM
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10. I got a Veterans' Day email from him
I think he was just staying visible, because - and I've been preaching this since November 3 - the election's not over yet.

Legally, it does not end until the electors meet to cast their votes, and that does not happen until the first Monday after the second Wednesday in December - in this case, December 13.

Until then, the election is still legally incomplete. That is, there is no winner. So, with the Kerry people investigating vote fraud in Ohio, Nader in New Hampshire, and who knows what else is going on, I think - as an old lawyer - that the old prosecutor, Kerry, is carefully building a case that can be taken into court and get votes recounted on the basis of fraud.

Like any good lawyer, he's building his case carefully, and, more important, under the Republican radar. It has to be done on a very narrow legal basis so as to limit the Republicans' ability to counter what I think the Democrats are going to do sometime in the next month.

Honestly, I truly believe we're going to see history being made in this next month. I still believe in John Kerry. He gave a very telling hint in his concession speech, if you were paying attention.

And, just so you know, concession speeches are as significant as a handshake, and just as binding legally. That is, they have no legal significance or authority whatsoever.

So, hold on. I really do believe in John Kerry.
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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 12:05 AM
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11. Look,
I can't tell you what's going on behind the scenes. No one here can; that's why they call it "behind the scenes." But I DO know that if Kerry had pulled a 2000 - challenged the election, filed lawsuits, etc - he would've walked right into a Bush/Rove trap. They were 100% expecting a challenged election - why do you think they planned the invasion of Fallujah for election week? They were waiting, rubbing their grubby little hands together and waiting for Kerry to fall into their trap, and then destroy him - accuse him of contributing to governmental instability while our troops are in battle, accuse of of being a sore loser, a conspiracy theorist, a lunatic. The media would have destroyed him, and without hard proof of voter fraud - proof that's good enough for a court of law, not just for the denizens of DU - he would've been made to look like the biggest laughingstock of the century. What would that have accomplished? Would you rather Kerry had played the "Roman fool" and fell upon his own sword in a suicidal and ultimately futile lawsuit/media circus?

I wouldn't. Just because he didn't make a mad charge into certain death doesn't make him a coward or a deserter. Sometimes a tactical retreat is the smartest thing a soldier can do. John Kerry knows that oftentimes, discretion is the better part of valor. Personally, if I had to stake a claim, I see this turning into a BCCI-type affair - Kerry the prosecutor slowly gathering evidence - hard, irrefutable evidence - and then bringing the giant DOWN. I'd much rather see him biding his time in the Senate, gathering evidence, preparing to make a move that will doom the Bushies once and for all, than waste his reputation, career, and influence in a stupid suicide charge that would play right into KKKarl's hands.

Yeah, having to see Bush's ugly ass face on the TV sucks. But I have this weird feeling that this might all turn out for the best. I've got an intuition that this second term might be what we need to obliterate the neocons once and for all; you know, the whole "it has to get worse before it gets better" jazz. And if that means I get to watch impeachment hearings and see that motherfucker trotted out of the White House in chains - even if it's two years from now - it'll be worth it. If that's how long it takes them to prove voter fraud, then so be it. I think justice is coming for Georgie Boy, and it won't be pretty.

Just my two cents. But I think it's premature to abandon faith in Kerry just yet. There's something up his sleeve, and it's not just his arm.
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rocktop15 Donating Member (376 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 12:16 AM
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12. DENIAL.
It's not just a river in Egypt.

Look folks.....it is over. He lost. He isn't going to do anything about it. He didn't fight.

It is over. Get used to it. It took me a while.

Stop drinking the Koolaid of denail.
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maveric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 12:20 AM
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13. Do you think that he lost fair and square?
The funky vote numbers and exit polls in Ohio are all accurate?

He lost but he had it stolen from him. He needs to stand up for his base and make noise.
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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 01:01 AM
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14. It took you a while
Edited on Tue Nov-16-04 01:02 AM by WildEyedLiberal
It's been two weeks. I suppose that, unlike me, you have the powers of prophecy that enable you to look into the future and tell me what John Kerry is going to do for the next four years? I like how you have no idea what's going on, and yet you are absolutely certain that you do. I have no idea what's going on. Therefore I'm not going to make some definite pronouncement about things that are beyond my ken.

So he didn't sue. Good. I'm glad he didn't. You wanted him to fall into Rove's trap? Why? What the hell good would "fighting" via lawsuits have done? What, exactly, would you have done differently? I'm sure you can tell me, since you apparently are privy to much more knowledge than me.

Give up all hope, if that makes you feel better. Join your fellow DUers in the circular firing squad of bitterness and blind recrimination, if that makes you feel better. But don't accuse me of drinking "koolaid" when you have no more information than I do and you (unless you are in fact psychic) have no idea what's going to happen in the next four years.

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