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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 12:18 PM
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charging 1 G.I. with killing 1 Iraqi with a war crime?...what the fuck?
if this marine who was unfortunate enough to be near a camera when he followed orders can be charged with a war crime, why can't there be a charge filed ON ALL 100,000 innocents killed thus far?

every one of the dead met their fate in exactly the same way, under direct orders from the commander in chief, dick cheney. why should this one marine be the scapegoat for all nazi politician's ambitions?

it ain't right.
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billyoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 12:19 PM
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1. No evidence.
:crazy:
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 12:38 PM
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8. re: War Crimes
Just a few items:
(not even including torture here)

the denial of water to Iraqi civilians = Article 14 war crime

http://www.casi.org.uk/briefings-new.html

Denial of Water to Iraqi Cities
Water supplies to Tall Afar, Samarra and Fallujah were cut off during US attacks during the past two months, affecting up to 750,000 civilians. This appears to form part of a deliberate US policy of denying water to the residents of cities under attack. If so, it has been adopted without a public debate, and without consulting Coalition partners. It is a serious breach of international humanitarian law, and is deepening Iraqi opposition to the United States, other coalition members, and the Iraqi government.

This briefing outlines the evidence for the denial of water to Iraqi civilians, discusses stated justifications for these tactics, and analyses some of the implications. It calls for the immediate cessation of this tactic, which causes severe and undue suffering to civilians under attack.

Read the full briefing: "DENIAL OF WATER TO IRAQI CITIES"

http://www.casi.org.uk/briefings-new.html
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http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/110904A.shtml

Aggressive War: Supreme International Crime
By Marjorie Cohn
t r u t h o u t | Perspective

Tuesday 09 November 2004

Associate United States Supreme Court Justice Robert Jackson was the chief prosecutor at the Nuremberg Tribunal. In his report to the State Department, Justice Jackson wrote: "No political or economic situation can justify" the crime of aggression. He also said: "If certain acts in violation of treaties are crimes they are crimes whether the United States does them or whether Germany does them, and we are not prepared to lay down a rule of criminal conduct against others which we would not be willing to have invoked against us."

Between 10,000 and 15,000 U.S. troops with warplanes and artillery have begun to invade the Iraqi city of Fallujah. To "soften up" the rebels, American forces dropped five 500-pound bombs on "insurgent targets." The Americans destroyed the Nazzal Emergency Hospital in the center of town. They stormed and occupied the Fallujah General Hospital, and have not agreed to allow doctors and ambulances go inside the main part of the city to help the wounded, in direct violation of the Geneva Conventions.

The battle of Fallujah promises to be far more shocking and aweful than the bombardment of Baghdad that kicked off Operation "Iraqi Freedom" in April 2003. A senior Marine Corps surgeon warned that casualties will surpass any level seen since the Vietnam War.

There have already been 100,000 "excess" Iraqi deaths since Bush launched his first strike on Iraq 18 months ago - that is, above and beyond those killed by Saddam Hussein, sanctions, U.S. bombings, and disease, all put together, in the 15 months prior to the invasion.

A study published by the Lancet found that the risk of death by violence for Iraqi civilians is now 58 times higher than before Bush began to liberate them in April 2003.

Bush's war on Iraq is a war of aggression. "Aggression is the use of armed force by a state against the sovereignty, territorial integrity or political independence of another state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Charter of the United Nations, as set out in this definition," according to General Assembly Resolution 3314, passed in the wake of Vietnam.


..more..
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Statement by U.S. Supreme Court Justice Robert L. Jackson
Chief U.S. Prosecutor
at the Nuremberg Tribunals

August 12, 1945
on War Trials Agreement; August 12, 1945

There are some things I would like to say, particularly to the American people, about the agreement we have just signed.
For the first time, four of the most powerful nations have agreed not only upon the principles of liability for war crimes of persecution, but also upon the principle of individual responsibility for the crime of attacking the international peace.

Repeatedly, nations have united in abstract declarations that the launching of aggressive war is illegal. They have condemned it by treaty. But now we have the concrete application of these abstractions in a way which ought to make clear to the world that those who lead their nations into aggressive war face individual accountability for such acts.
<snip>

"We must make clear to the Germans that the wrong for which
their fallen leaders are on trial is not that they lost the
war, but that they started it. And we must not allow
ourselves to be drawn into a trial of the causes of the war,
for our position is that no grievances or policies will
justify resort to aggressive war. It is utterly renounced
and condemned as an instrument of policy."
<snip>

U.S. Supreme Court Justice Robert L. Jackson
Chief U.S. Prosecutor
at the Nuremberg Tribunals
August 12, 1945

READ THE ENTIRE STATEMENT HERE:
http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/imt/jack02.htm
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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20041116/ts_nm/iraq_falluja_un_dc&cid=564&ncid=1480

U.N. Rights Boss Urges Falluja 'Abuses' Probe

GENEVA (Reuters) - Top United Nations (news - web sites) human rights official Louise Arbour called on Tuesday for investigation of alleged abuses in Falluja, Iraq (news - web sites), including disproportionate use of force and the targeting of civilians.



Those responsible for any violations -- U.S. and multinational forces, Iraqi government troops or insurgents -- should be brought to justice, the former U.N. war crimes prosecutor said in a statement.


"There have been a number of reports during the current confrontation alleging violations of the rules of war designed to protect civilians and combatants," Arbour said.


She gave no specific examples. But on Monday, Amnesty International accused both sides of breaking rules designed to protect civilians and wounded combatants during conflict.

~snip~







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Lone Pawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 12:22 PM
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2. Give me hard video/photographic evidence they were deliberately killed
and you'll get your investigation. Sorry, it's the way it works.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 12:22 PM
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3. there`s another soldier that murdered
Edited on Tue Nov-16-04 12:22 PM by rchsod
a wounded "fighter" last week-but that was on the internet so it doesn`t count
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knowbody0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 12:30 PM
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6. the other wounded "fighter" still had his weapon
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Malva Zebrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 12:27 PM
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4. It's the "loner"
the bitter, unbalanced loner who is responsible and that oughta do it.

Worked with the assassination of Kennedy, MLK, and Bobby. It is a well known tactic.
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Carni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 12:28 PM
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5. In addition why was a guy that had been shot in the face the previous day
On active duty?

Even if his wounds were superficial wouldn't that tend to whack a person out for a few days?

Wouldn't that tend to compromise the performance of the guy's unit?

Don't get me wrong...I also watched the tape with disgust, but the whole damned "operation" has been a war crime so why is one punchy stressed out marine being held accountable for fucking up?

I agree with you 100% this criminal admin should be held accountable not one poor slob following orders IMO
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knowbody0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 12:33 PM
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7. i would not doubt these warriors are drugged
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Carni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 12:41 PM
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9. It would not surprise me in the least
In fact we know they drug some of these guys up...remember the incident where the guys in the airforce who were on speed bombed
the Canadians?

(I think it was the Candians in Afghanistan, wasn't it? I may be confused as it was many months ago and I don't recall the details)
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RBHam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 12:47 PM
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10. Now you know why the US refused to sign on to the World Court
They were planning an aggresive war of conquest long ago. Just read Brzehinski's "The Grand Chessboard" and visit PNAC's site www.newamericancentury.org

They just needed their "Pearl Harbor"...

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