The war against these evangelicals has begun.. here's my latest experience

[Getchasome]

I go to a gym in one of the far south suburbs of Chicago. In the lobby of this gym is a TV. Most times it has news on or some regular show playing, but this one born again nut job who talks to god while he's working out (no joke), goes into the lobby and flips the channel to one of those nut case stations and starts chanting and praying along with em on the TV, and getting all loud and real animated. I came in to sit down and cool off from my workout and I told him to go and do that shit in church, this isn't the place, and I walked up and changed the channel (Was I out of place, I ask you?). He started ranting about how I should listen to the word and get saved and he'll pray for me, blahh, blahh, blahh. I told him the only thing thats gonna need saving is his life if he touches the tv and puts one of those stations on again.

The war with these idiots has begun. I'm finding that I'm really short fused with these types.

What expierences have you had recently?

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

1. Learn a little scripture.

Remind him about Matthew's bit about going to his closet, closing the door and doing his praying there.

They always forget that one.

[Warpy]

3. The bit about the whited sepulchre is also good

as are the verses about following the Antichrist.

I have to admit, though, that the fundies usually see me coming and shut the hell up around me.

[RPM]

28. cite please?

please?

[Bake]

30. Learn to use a concordance.

Or you could just Google it.

Bake

[RPM]

34. or people could cite it....

its generally good form to cite both your law and scripture - just so people know you arent making it up... like the story about the schlub on this thread who thought Jesus made up the "teach a man to fish...." line.

i wish people would get in the habit of using citations - particularly when it is an obscure or vague reference...

[greekspeak]

42. Just read Matthew 23

Good lord, this isn't a research paper. It is a political discussion website. The people on this site should be smart enough to look something up for themselves.

[truth2power]

46. Geez! People, here, kinda crabby this morning.

I was wondering, too, where is that "whited sepulchure" thingie? I remember it.

I'll look it up. No big deal. :-)

edit> Ah, here it is:

Matthew 23:27 as noted above.

" Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness."

http://bible.gospelcom.net/cgi-bin/bible?language=english&version=KJV&passage=matt%2B23%3A27

[AngryAmish]

51. Or Austin 3:16

[area51]

55. Matthew

I believe that's Matthew 6:5-6.

"And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

"But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly."

[nadinbrzezinski]

2. here is mine from last saturday

(I posted it soon after but you asked so nicely)

So he was ranting and raving over how we liberals do not know the first thing about God's Law and morality... and I chuckled, so he went what you don't.

So I did the following: And this is a rought transcript... god I love my discusions with Seminary Students at Oh dark hundred on many a Christmas eve

Ok, I agree with you, homosexuality is an abomination, so is stated in Leviticus., so tell me where is the slave market? I need a slave and I can own one as long as it is not an Israelite and I remember to let him go after seven years.

eyes of wide surrpise

By the way, I wonder what is a fair price for my nieces, my brother needs some money you see and he can sell them into slavery. They are young and healthy and strong, any ideas?

More eyes of horror

By the way, where can I find a reed as thick as my thumb, or preferably my husbands thumb so he can keep me in line?

At that moment he decided to finally say, but, but, but

That is in Leviticus each one of them.

Women are not suposed to preach

Your right so tell me again why did God choose two women as the Lord's Prophets? You DO have your copy of King James right? He meekly handed the book, I quickly found the two books of prophets with women as the main actors... then to add salt to the wound found Mark's section speaking of women prophesizing for the son of god, yes bliblical for preach.

Good now let me see, what version of Theocracy do you want to impose on us?

But the Lord's law is eternal

Yep your right, I opened it to Mathew 22, the sheep and the goat parable, and asked, again, what version do you want, the fire and brimstone of Leviticus or the far gentler version of Luke, you cannot have it both ways... hell not even Paul is enough fire and brinstome when compared to Leviticuls


Oh and if you want to go for Kings, which kings? I mean have you read the Song of Songs?

But, but but you are Jewsih how do you know this?

First thing I have BOTHERED to read it, the old one in Aramaic\ Hebrew and the new one from cover to cover first in Spanish and then in English, So once again, before you burn the books, which version do you want? Personally I would love to get a Solomonic President but you want the Leviticus President, so are you going to the next execution? I mean to splater yourself in the blood of the sinner is pleasinig in the eyes of the Lord, and I advise for best effect slighly rounded rocks work best, and stand at ten feet. You will ensure the splatter the best.

He at that moment lost all color and had a look of horror in his eyes like I have never seen in my life. You see, we need to attack these fanatics and we may very well have to use the bible as a weapon, She did, so did I... and you could almost see the gears in that small brain start to work... first clue I never argued with him. I just took the bible and ran with it. And that was something he was not expecting anybody to do it...

It was enjoyable and maybe, just maybe, he will actually start reaading the damn thing... and if he does, oh boy he is for a shock when he reaches the song of songs. Talk about a sexy book...

But to do that, you have to read the damn thing, and know it... me getting a new copy as mine are in storage.

[FizzFuzz]

8. this is GREAT!

I love you, nadinebrzezinski!!!!! :loveya: :hi:

[nadinbrzezinski]

20. Now go read that darn bible

trust me you too can do this... not hard, and trust me, they are oh so shocked....

I have never sen anybody that pale in my life, outside of EMS work.

[FizzFuzz]

27. lol! I really dislike the bible, but you're making the payoff sound great!

I tend to get discombobulated when I have to argue in person! Can't remember the facts I want when I want them. Bible sounds like I'd be stuttering even worse than I already do. Plus, the deluded ignorant world these fundi-bans live in just makes me boil over with incredulous anger.

[doni_georgia]

16. I had a friend who listed ALL of the laws of leviticus that fundies ignore

wish I knew what I did with it.

[nadinbrzezinski]

19. this will help

This little gem was sent by a lady who is Superior General of her community of Sisters in the Vatican. She is also a lawyer and, as you can readily see, she has a wonderful sense of humor.
____________________________________________________________________

Gods Law according to Bush:


Dear President Bush:

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from you and understand why you would propose and support a constitutional amendment banning same sex marriage. As you said "in the eyes of God, marriage is based between a man a woman." I try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend homosexuality, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other elements of God's Laws and how to follow them.

1. Leviticus 25:44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify this? Why can't I own Canadians?

2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

3. I know that no contact with a woman is allowed while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanness (Lev.15: 19-24). The problem is how does one tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

4. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord (Lev.1:9). The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it?

6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination (Lev. 11:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. But I’m confused about the abomination thing. Can you settle this? Are there 'degrees' of abomination?

7. Lev.21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle-room here?

8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?

9. I know from Lev.11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev.19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? (Lev.24:10-16) Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair, like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev.20:14)

I know you have studied these things extensively and thus enjoy considerable expertise in such matters, so I am confident you can help.

Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.

Your adoring fan,

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

43. "Why can't I own Canadians?"

:think:

[Pushed To The Left]

76. I LOVE that!!

[BiggJawn]

23. Beautiful! "But how do you KNOW all this????"

"Because when I go to research whether or not something is bogus or not, I like to have ALL the evidence in my hands."

They should use the same procedure before condemming Homosexuality, eh? :D

[CatBoreal]

29. References....

Please???

Cam

[leesa]

38. You are very good at this. I can never remember the words well

enough and where I found them.

[seaj11]

54. That is AWESOME!

Applause! I wish I'd been that quick when talking to fundie nut-jobs.

[crispini]

74. Dude, I love you. You're brilliant.

Damn. Now I have to go read the Bible. And I'm not even Christian!

:D

[physioex]

4. I've been thinkg about this..

Should I call the 700 Club and start arguing with them with current envents?

P.S. It is a toll free call so the are picking up the tab.

[Starlight]

58. absolutely!!

And report back here after your call. :D

[GAspnes]

5. 'bout two years ago

I was driving a co-worker from the headquarters building to the data center building. I'd worked with her for 4 years and her technical skills were very good.

As I drove, she suddenly said "Can I Testify for you?" and off she went for the 3 minutes we had left, telling me how Jesus had entered her life and saved her.

Held my tongue, but I was pretty surprised.

[hatrack]

9. There's a line I use to shut them down quickly, when I don't have time:

"Sorry, I already have coverage from another agency." Usually works really well.

Now, if you're looking for something more along the lines of the initial post in this thread, you'll just have to use your imagination! :evilgrin:

[Psst_Im_Not_Here]

18. That's better than mine!

I live in Colorado Springs, we have the Jahovas and the Mormons right down the road and get many "visits" in my neighborhood. I usually just laugh and shut the door. It's effective.

[alfredo]

65. When you see them coming,

strip naked, grab a butcher knife, then answer the door. It really takes them off their game.

[Speck Tater]

6. Quote him these two lines from the Bible:

(Out of context, admittedly, but they go together nicely in this situation.)

"And Judas went forth and hanged himself."


"Go ye and do likewise."

[MaryH]

7. He doesn't really sound like an Evangelical - sounds more

like a mentally ill person. For some reason people who are delusional like that often relate it all to religion. Talk to themselves, rock back and forth, preach.

One fellow who used to frequent downtown Kansas City thought he was Roy Rogers. But he mixed up his Roy Rogers persona with all of this religious stuff. He was so confused.

Don't mistake Evangelicals for religious loonies. They aren't. They are a whole lot more dangerous than that. Their religion is crazy but they aren't. And they should never be underestimated.

[Anakin Skywalker]

12. Damn Right!

Bill Frist, Shrub, Asscroft and most other prominent rightwingnuts are all evangelicals. And they indeed are very dangerous.

[MsTryska]

15. Speaking of mentally Ill did any of y'all catch Morning Sedition

this morning?

Some wackjob called up talking about how before 9/11 the moon circled the Twin Towers, there were 3 beautiful lights hovering aorund it and then another day this small plane came entirely too close to it. She then said on Art Bell he always says before catastorphes, there is always UFO activity. The she finally capped it off with, "you know - i'm a fundamentalist christian - not one of those crazy new york jews."

[Proud2BAmurkin]

10. Took down an employee's Jesus calendar

It felt good

[Anakin Skywalker]

11. Is he a musclehead?

You had better be careful. :) These people forget their christian teachings rather quickly. My question is, are your muscles bigger than his? LOL

[maveric]

13. I keep it simple with them. Jesus healed the sick, fed the poor, ...

was anti-war, pro- education and spoke out against the wealthy moneychangers. Which of these Christ-like qualities and actions do you promote? It shuts them up or they tell me that I'm going to hell.

If they dont walk the walk then they shouldnt call themselves christians. They should adopt another name for their hateful, selfish religion.

[XNASA]

14. I PM'd you.

I'd like to know which suburb, since I myself also live in the far south 'burbs.

[montieg]

17. A modest proposal

Dont call them evangelicals. They want us to fall in that framing trap beacause "evangelical" is not as negatively connoted as is "fundamentalist". You know...as in "Shi'ite". Use the term fundi as often as possible. Tie it around their necks like a dead chicken!

[nadinbrzezinski]

21. preferably a DEAD ROTTING CHICKEN

:-)

[SheWhoMustBeObeyed]

35. End timers are death cultists

They are eagerly awaiting and even advancing the end of the world. That's advocating the destruction of the US, and they should be tried and imprisoned for treason.

They claim to be all about saving but go look at the rapture sites. Watch the death cult leaders on TV. They are really all about gloating over the death of millions. It's crystal clear that they are turned on by the thought of so much bloodshed and suffering while picturing themselves sitting on little cotton clouds, looking down and saying "Told you so." They are sick, sick, sick, sick fucks.

Death cultists!

[Starlight]

59. I prefer "regious extremist" n/t

[The Backlash Cometh]

22. Free expression. You have a right to dissent.

You just don't have a right to express it violently. Seems like you stayed within reasonable boundaries. We are no longer a civil society, so no worries about being rude.

[Dyedinthewoolliberal]

24. Ask him if he's ever heard of

separation of church and gym? :shrug:

[deerhead]

25. I've begun to worry The Rapture has already occurred

And now we're stuck with these twits...

[recovering democrat]

26. Also short fused and dealing with it.

Always ignored these folks until this election cycle and watching these folks has actually scared me into responding to them. I usually don't go to the door for the neighborhood "missionaries". I find I now look forward to answering the door and challenging them directly.

I have also gone back to reading the bible (especially the New Testament) and marking important verses. I find myself sending appropriate little "snips" to all manner of folks by e-mail. An acquaintance sent me one of those circulating e-mails and I replied to her and all the other people she sent it to with a full array of New Testament quotes. I sent an e-mail to a seriously right-wing radio preacher and he has sent me several replies to which I have totally enjoyed responding.

I know that some of these folks are just really into their religion and that is fine but I don't say evangelicals - they are right-wing evangelical Christian crazies. Confronting them probably does nothing because nothing gets through to them, but it makes me feel better. In reality, I am Intolerant only of intolerance.

Another interesting comment. I wasn't positive of the spelling of "intolerance" so I did the spelling check for this post. Do you know that spell check prompts you to change lower-case "C" in the word christian to upper-case? Now that bothers me too. I am getting entirely too irritated by these people.

[Cocoa]

31. for him to switch the channel was rude

but a lot of non-religious people are rude that way.

Regarding what he watches, and how loud he is while he watches, I think a lot of sports watchers are annoying in the same way.

Regarding what religion he chooses to be, I say live and let live.

[Postmanx]

32. YOU are the brown-shirt here

To confront him was horrible.

Would you confront and challenge a Hindu, Muslim or Jew for practicing their faith loudly? What if he was just acting really, really obviously homosexual? Would you bash him?

If you want to ask someone to keep it down, that is one thing, to attack someone on the basis of their faith is sick.

[Senator Lamb]

33. a little too far my friend

whats wrong with him praying

[robbedvoter]

41. Nothing, as long as he does it in private and doesn't demand others

to watch, put up with his personal belief.

[robbedvoter]

40. No dear, cuz see, they took over. Can't "brownshirt" against tyrants

There's brownshirting and there's speaking truth to power. I don't know you so I have no idea if you are confused or confusing on purpose here.

[mondo joe]

48. Anyone practicing ANYTHING loudly in a common area should be

Anyone practicing ANYTHING loudly in a common area should be shut down.

[TankLV]

63. No - for THEM to be rude to US is the sick part. HE changed the channel.

HE was rude.

The poster simply gave him back EXACTLY what HE gave him. No more, No LESS.

If you put your face where it is not wanted in MY face, expect to pay the CONSEQUENCES.

Yes, to attack someone on the basis of their faith is sick, which EXACTLY applies to that fundie asshole.

And, in case you hadn't noticed, a Hindu, Muslim or Jew doesn't EVER practice their faith loudly, or shove it in another's face where it is not wanted!

And you consider 2 guys or girls holding hands and kissing somehow horrible?!?! Says volumes about what and who YOU are!

[radfringe]

36. similar experience regarding Harry Potter protests

The fundy maintained that kids are impressionable and reading Harry Potter would encourage them to "cast spells"

me: oh, do your kids read the bible?

fundy: yes, we read it together as a family

me: you know, one of my favorite parts is where Jesus turns water into wine, but I bet you don't let your kids read that part

fundy:

me: well, if kids are so impressionable that they try to imitate what they read then won't they try turning water into wine instead of trying to illegally buy beer? How about raising the dead? Your kids ever try to raise a dead pet? Walking on water? Now that's an thought - if your kids do that then think of the money you would save on swimming suits and lessons.. Then there's the savings on food bills by having them feed a multitude with a couple of loaves of bread and few fish -- it would certainly help countries that are starving

fundy: that would be heresy...

me: maybe, but if kids imitate what they read - then best not let them read the bible, they may try a to cast a few miricles and be damned for committing heresy

fundy: my kids know the difference

me: difference in what? difference between fact or fiction? if they know that Harry Potter is fiction, and the bible is true, then wouldn't they be more apt to imitate fact than fiction?

[Ms_Mary]

37. I have a hard time with that myself

I am religious, but not like that. My beliefs belong to me and I'm not going to force them on other people. I can't stand being preached to when I'm trying to go about my own business. Kind of reminds me about the publicans in the Bible - Jesus was more down with the people who didn't try to make a spectacle of their faith and be showy about it.

[CatBoreal]

72. Luke 18:10-14 is...

...one of my personal favorites:

(10) Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican. (11) The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican. (12) I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess. (13) And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner. (14) I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

This is how I see most fundies, standing up and showing themselves to be so bloody righteous.

Funny how quickly they forget their Bible studies when witnessing.

Cam

[Ms_Mary]

78. That's the one I was thinking of.

n

[Democracy Died 2004]

39. I got a good one too

i tell em i sold my soul to satan and leave me the "f" alone.

[peekaloo]

44. Not confrontational, just weird experience.

Grocery shopping and a woman comes up to me beaming that she REALLY LIKES my t-shirt, where did I get it and do they have more like it. So I tell her where it came from (Betty Bowers HA!) and start talking about the election and she mentions that there are a LOT like US who haven't been able to "come out" until now. Okay. Keep talking and she suddenly starts ignoring me. Shut out completely. She then walks away and kneels to pray right there in the cat food aisle (I am crapping you negative folks). It was early in the a.m., I'm kinda slow but it dawns on me I've been Fundie'd (like Punk'd only Jesus got dragged into it). :eyes:

oh yeah the T-shirt I was sportin' featured pics of Asscrack/BOO$h/Big Dick/Scummy with the caption "Don't change horsemen in the middle of an Apocalypse".

[r3verberate]

45. Probably shouldn't have changed the channel ..

.. however, you could let him know that he reminds you of the radical islamists that you see so often on the news. And also point out that he's scaring small children.

Maybe tell him that you saw Jesus, and he was about to come through the door, but when he looked in, he saw the freak, and high-tailed it out of there.

As for the channel, if he got to the lobby, and nobody was there, he had the right to change the channel.

[juslikagrzly]

47. A question I'm struggling with

Why is it OK for this guy to change the channel, but not OK for this poster to change the channel? What's the difference?

Intolerant of intolerance and proud of it!!

[Beam Me Up]

49. Everyone should TURN OFF the mind control boxes called TV

Ever notice how you can barely be in a room with a TV on and NOT watch it? It is DESIGNED to be captivating--that is, to capture your attention and HOLD it, at least to the next commercial.

TURN IT OFF!! Why would you allow right-wing corporations (and most of them are) free access to YOUR mind to YOUR attention to your desires and emotions? Do not buy the "reality" (not at all 'real') they are selling. It is a prison designed to keep you 'entertained' and 'informed' and desiring the products that will keep you distracted but NEVER SET YOU FREE.

[jmowreader]

50. The fundie in the breakroom

Actually, I've got two fundamentalists-at-work stories; you'll like them both. (And this is beyond the collection of Jack Chick tracts I've got in my nail belt; every time I see one I pick it up and keep it.)

One day about a month and a half ago I went into the breakroom to get my lunch out of the fridge and eat it when I saw someone I'd never seen before sitting there. We hire new people all the time and we had an orientation class going on, so maybe it's a new guy. He had a big stack of religious materials around him, but if it's a new guy I figure he can do whatever he likes.

"Excuse me, are you saved?"
'Huh?'
"I said, are you saved?"
'I've never seen you around here before, you must be new. What department are you in?'
The guy stepped back a little then said, "I don't work here, I'm spreading the Good News of Jesus Christ."

I called Loss Prevention and had my guy escort him off the premises. Now he can't come into the building to spread the Good News, or for any other reason, for a whole year.

* * * * *

One day I was cutting some chain for a guy when a Japanese woman (one who lived in Japan) approached. I figured she wanted some chain too...wrong, she was looking for donations to her church. "The service desk said the store didn't give donations to churches. Can I have a personal donation from you?" I gave her a personal donation...I donated three minutes to walking her holy ass up to the store manager who helped me teach her a new phrase in English--"no-solicitation policy." She won't be in for another year either.

We have to bounce fundamentalists from the building a couple times a week when they start driving off the other customers. We're fair, though--we bounce people who are driving off customers in other ways too. And we don't have a strict no-fundie policy; one of my favorite customers is a fundamentalist contractor. This guy's truck is covered from end to end, top to bottom with scripture, but that's okay because he knows what he wants, helps us get it for him, brings a trailer that can be loaded with a forklift and is scrupulously exact about his finances.

One of my managers is very religious but he's cool about it, he knows who likes to talk religion and who doesn't. The people who don't want to talk religion don't get preached to, but the religious associates say he knows the Bible at least as well as their ministers do. One day he told us his patented method for getting rid of Jehovah's Witnesses who come to his door: brings them in, sits them down, gets out his Bible and starts discussing the Word. They don't come back.

[Name removed]

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[Sugarbleus]

53. LOL..good 'ole Chicago chutzpah

.......'the only thing that's gonna need saving...' LOL

[leeroysphitz]

56. Was I out of place, I ask you?)

A little bit, but not because you should show deference to his religious myth structure or anything but just out of common courtesy. If he had the TV tuned to Heavy Metal Video but you prefered Hip-Hop... He was there first and you probably wouldn't have thought anything about it. Even if he were loudly singing along with the song... Am I right?

[Starlight]

61. No, you're wrong about that.

If he was in his own home, with his own tv, he could watch anything he wanted and behave in whatever bizarre manner he chose. But that was not the case. He was in an area shared by other members, using a shared tv. If his choice of program or his behavior was loud, disruptive or disturbing to others and infringed on their ability to use & enjoy the facilities, they had every right to insist that he stop.

[leeroysphitz]

64. No you are wrong.

"I told him to go and do that shit in church" The key word being "I".
Intolerance is intolerance. I am an atheist. I do not believe in god. I do not believe in the Buddha or Brahma or Zoroaster or etc... But I believe in freedom of religion and I also believe in common courtesy and civilty... A TV in a gym probably does not get "public funding" I'm not going to explain the ramifications of that to you.

[Starlight]

67. You're missing the point.

The GYM ITSELF is funded by the members. One member has no right to selfishly create an uncomfortable environment for another member. Whether he's using the facilities to create his own faux church or blasting loud music or peeing on the floor. Being told to take his obnoxioius behavior out of the facility was certainly within the rights of a PAYING member. He could, obviously, have done it in a kinder manner, but I think that's his point. He's tired of bending over for self centered religious zealots who ignore the rights of others.

[leeroysphitz]

69. Common Courtesy does not get put on hold.

And I stand by my initial response. Please provide a real world example of someone changing the channel in a public space (doctors office, gym etc...) It doesn't happen and you know that it does not. Why? Common courtesy. First come first serve. You know this how things work. Why are you lying about how you typically act in public just because religion is involved. Why are you acting like A repuke?

[TankLV]

66. Umm - HE changed the channel first.

Payback is a b---h, isn't it?

The idiot fundie was the rude one.

Don't like it when we fight back when we're not expected to, huh?

[leeroysphitz]

68. Fighting back

Should not equate intolerance on ANY level. Fighting back SHOULD be keeping these fundie nutjobs from stacking our courts with other nutjobs, fighting back should mean not rolling over for patriot act 3, 4 etc... fighting back should be making sure your local school board isn't stacked with creationist and abstinence only screw balls. Fighting back isn't picking fights over someones religious preference in public places. Open that mind of yours baby.

[TankLV]

80. Fighting back is not accepting when THEY try to impose THEIR crap on

the rest of us!

Fighting back includes not taking crap about ANYTHING ever again - from big to lessor.

My "mind" is "open" all to wide - it's all about "fair play" "baby".

If THEY refuse to play fair - WE will FORCE them to!

Open your fucking eyes "baby". Get a clue.

Don't like the rules to apply to everyone - too fucking bad.

The fundie wackjob was the one out of line.

[sangh0]

57. You have an odd concept of war

if you think it has something to do with selecting a TV station to watch

[The Straight Story]

60. Awesome - we will convert all to our better way of thinking, preach it bro

If those damnable people who don't think and act like we do don't change we will give em all hell. Time to teach them what progressive means. You want to be a fundie, well we are fundies too and we can out do you in telling others how to live their lives any day of the week.

Ok, ok, a lot of sarcasm :)

[choicevoice]

62. I don't have the patience or inclination to read and learn the bible

My favorite is playing with the "door knockers for jesus". I like to scare the shit out of them. I keep my "We won't go back" tshirt by the front door, the one with the Statue of Liberty with coat hanger in raised hand. I slip on the tshirt close my unruly dogs in the other room (they are barkers). I invite them in to compare books. I pull down my reference books, they include "The Encyclopedia of Witchcraft and Demonology", Magic without Tears, Magic, Supernaturalism and Religion and the ABC of Witchcraft and a few others. I plop them down on the coffee table and just say "OK, you start" and then yell at my two cute little schnauzers to stop barking using the names Satan and Lucifer.

Before you get all weird I am not a Satanist or any other thing. The books were research material for a paper my brother had to do and my dogs names are actually Maximillion WOOFgang Von Tramp and Zigfreid HOWLitzer Von Tramp.

It is amazing how quickly they can excuse themselves from my house.

[elehhhhna]

70. Only "workout" Rellgious Programming in Chicago was the long-cancelled:

JUBILEE SHOWCASE! jubillee--Jubilee--JUBILEE SHOWCASE!

That was on Sundays, like 30 years ago, and man it was rock-out GOSPEL!

[TexasSissy]

71. You were right. You maybe could've done it

without the "sh*t" word, but you were right, in any case. They are getting out of control.

They can practice all the extremist religion they want....at their churches or at home. It's un-American to force it down the throats of everyone else. I believe that most Americans, even the "normal" religious ones, feel this way.

[Threedifferentones]

73. If you don't want to actually read and memorize the Bible

then you should compile a list with some of the "shocking" Old Testament quotes (properly checked and cited of course)and take it with you everywhere. That way you never have to remember anything about the Bible, you just whip out your list and make all the fundies around you look really stupid, especially if you finish off the list with a few quotes from Jesus about peace and tolerance or the evils of wealth. I keep my list in my wallet at all times!

3DO

[seaj11]

79. Do you know where I can find some examples?

Thanks.

[Pushed To The Left]

75. We should be careful not to generalize

Not all religious people are members of the religious right. Believe me, I want to DESTROY the religious right's political movement as much as you do! But I think we need to avoid letting our disgust with the right-wing lead us to prejudice against very religious people, who might not be involved with the conservative political movement at all. For example, I ran into a high-school friend a few years after high school, and he had become a Jehovah's Witness. Very conservative views, but according to him, they don't vote! They view voting as being part of the system, and they don't want any part of it. I'd rather they vote Democratic, but at least they are not behind the religious right's efforts to destroy our country.

[Fear Itself]

77. Attack, attack, attack, and then attack again!!!

Never let them rest!