Bill and W fellate each other while attendees cower behind a

[bacchant]

plastic tarp. Flame away if you like, but diplomacy and protocol have limits when a War Criminal is involved. The ass kissing was disgusting.

[saracat]

1. Hear ! Hear!

And now I await yet another poster to inform me how "immature" I am for espousing principles! This was way too chummy for me.And coming after Clinton's telling us "don't whine' a bit much to stomach.And where was Kerry? I didn't watch this debacle but am told he was shoved away somewhwere in the rain !

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

2. Would you rather...

That Dawg have disemboweled The Chimp on national TV?

Get real. This shit is childish.

[AgadorSparticus]

6. no one is suggesting that he disembowel the guy on nat. tv.

but must he stick his head up so far up bush's ass?

[sui generis]

10. I'd go with disembowel on national teevee

don't have a problem with it as far as that war criminal is concerned.

And of course I must state for the record that I suggest that hyperbolically so that the men in suits won't come visit me and ask questions that will make me abuse them verbally.

[TwentyFive]

16. We need attack dogs, show dogs, and guide dogs.

IMO, Clinton is too valuable to be an attack dog. That's our job. :)

[ewagner]

3. No matter what

the vail of civility has to be maintained. The first to pierce it, loses......

[saracat]

5. Hmmm, They didn't .Lose that is.

Civil is one thing .Fawning is another.

[ewagner]

9. I understand what you're saying

but as a practical matter, there's no distinction between civility and fawning....not on the level these guys are playing at.

[saracat]

12. Yeah, there is. Bush never fawned on Clinton after the election. And

Carter doesn't care for Clinton,but he is always polite. He doesn't yuk it up with him!

[AgadorSparticus]

11. you got that right. and i think big dawg was a little too saccharin.

i love him but he is dangerously courting that line that mars McCain in HIS hypocrisy.

[bacchant]

7. It doesn't seem to have hurt Bush

No one has pierced it more than Chimp.

[TwentyFive]

4. Yikes - that is mean - but I know what you're feeling. Consider this:

Clinton is smart not to take on Bush in this venue. Clinton is the most effective politician out there, and he knows when the timing is right to go for the jugular.

Clinton never engages in personal attacks. He respects that people voted for Bush. His response is to attack Bush's ideas....and he will do this quite well in 2006 and 2008 - when it counts! Clinton has more class in his pinky finger than the whole Bush clan combined!!

[saracat]

8. You don't attack them! You maintain politeness but you don't kiss

their ass! There was too much lovey dovey, lets play golf attiude.

[bigtree]

13. the thing about Bill Clinton

is that he may seem to be undermining some principle or grudge, but I found, that his actions play well in the long run. He's a deep thinker with farsight. Comity is hard for us, but it may serve, in the long run, to look like we have no grudge, at that level, in order for our arguments to be judged by the general public on the merits instead of having folks dismiss us as bitter and vengeful.

Diplomacy. Long run strategy. I'ts good for the cause of democracy to see the cordial relationships between elected leaders. A good example for other nations.

[yellowdogintexas]

14. one of the things that makes us different here in the US is

that our transitions are peaceful and our former leaders are civil and cordial to one another in public.

No matter how much they may hate each other personally, they can all be in the same room without the Secret Service having to break them up!

and the wives are civil to one another as well.

Die hard YellowDog that I am, it always gives me a warm fuzzy to see these guys all together ..no matter how much I hate Shrub, seeing a scene like that kind of restores my faith in this nation and gives me a semblance of hope for its future.

and damn, Jimmy Carter needs to live forever

[yellowdogintexas]

15. besides, Big Dog just makes W look like the "W"imp he

really is.

[bacchant]

17. Sorry, I can't get warm and fuzzy watching Clinton legitimize a

treasonous fool.

[Malva Zebrina]

18. I didn't see it but read some of it

Bill Clinton said nothing for four years in all that was going on. He was following the tradition that an outgoing president does not criticize the new one. He was mercilessly attacked over and over by the Bush administration from day one. They blamed almost everything of their own failures on him directly or indirectly.

And now there he stands in front of his library and his legacy, which will not have many of his papers due to the secrecy of George Bush in forbidding access to past president's papers,--he stands above them all, looking real good I may say, in comparison to the teeth clenching, jaw grinding, beady eyed, chimplips idiot savant, whose speech reading resembles that of a two year old.

Clinton is not running for anything, so he can do what he wants. I know he would love nothing more than to be back where he was, but I think he is already becoming passe.

[NewInNewJ.]

19. I was highly disappointed

in Pres. Clinton kissing up to Bush. I was also disappointed in his attitude toward Pres. Gore. I would have thought that Pres. Gore would have been on stage with the other Presidents. Should have been, in my opinion.